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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 17-07-2012 13:28
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Perhaps Cav and Greipel should go 1 point lower on SP and 1 point higher on ACC or FL (something that helps them on sprint but not so much). Because the way it is set now, they're complete beasts from another world to the earthlings. I mean, Contador is only 2 pts better in MO than the rest of the riders (except for Schleck), hard to say that Cav and Greipel should be +4 on the closest competitors (excluding Kittel because he couldn't perform in the Tour). It's true that they're dominating irl, but with these stats they'll be unbeatable in the game. Or perhaps they could go 1 point down and nothing else up.
Oh, and just for the sake of the math, a "LEGER_2" Greipel (easiest of the Handicap injuries in the game) would still beat Sagan, with relative ease (0,97 x 83 = 80,5), which as we saw in the Tour stage 8 isn't so much true 
Btw, agree with lowering Guardini and perhaps upping Goss to 80, he provided some competition to Cav in the Giro.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 17-07-2012 13:33
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We are watching the different Tour Teddy, if you think Goss is 2 points better in the flat sprint. One point at most and lower acceleration for Goss.
For me:
Goss: 80/80
Sagan: 79/82
And Greipel and Cav should not have so bigger margin,they are too good...
And about Guardini, he is fast like a rocket, but droped on many speedbumps, so low mountains,hill and great sprint/ACC (but 79/79 at most) and better recovery.
Edit: Now i see post from Luuiiggii and iagree completly,as i wrote about Cav and Greipel. If Goss would be 80 and Sagan 79, i would give Greipel and Cav 82 at max...
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 17-07-2012 13:36
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| roturn |
Posted on 17-07-2012 13:36
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You can`t lower the mountain/hill too much. Actually it`s already too low at Guardini in PCM. Different to real cycling even mediocre climbing sprinters will be OTL in PCM. So a guy like Guardini with the actual stats will never stay a chance to finish a GT.
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| Teddy The Creator |
Posted on 17-07-2012 13:37
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With those stats though, Sagan will probably beat Goss in every flat sprint because of his acceleration. I guess I can live with those stats though.
And on Guardini, are you sure he's that fast? Other than the one Giro stage he hasn't beaten anyone notable really.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 17-07-2012 13:37
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roturn wrote:
You can`t lower the mountain/hill too much. Actually it`s already too low at Guardini in PCM. Different to real cycling even mediocre climbing sprinters will be OTL in PCM. So a guy like Guardini with the actual stats will never stay a chance to finish a GT.
I would not lower it more, just to make sure it stays on level, where he will compete only in completly pan flat stages, as this is the case irl...
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 17-07-2012 13:38
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How low is Kittel's Mtn/hill. Definietley in mid 50s for me, he gets dropped on every speedbump and never finishes.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 17-07-2012 13:39
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baseballlover312 wrote:
How low is Kittel's Mtn/hill. Definietley in mid 50s for me, he gets dropped on every speedbump and never finishes.
Dont forget he was sick at the Tour...he is similar to Guardini in my eyes.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 17-07-2012 13:41
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
How low is Kittel's Mtn/hill. Definietley in mid 50s for me, he gets dropped on every speedbump and never finishes.
Dont forget he was sick at the Tour...he is similar to Guardini in my eyes.
Did you see the TOC? He got dropped on the "flat" stages because they have like a cat 4 half way through.
Edited by baseballlover312 on 17-07-2012 13:41
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 17-07-2012 13:42
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
How low is Kittel's Mtn/hill. Definietley in mid 50s for me, he gets dropped on every speedbump and never finishes.
Dont forget he was sick at the Tour...he is similar to Guardini in my eyes.
Did you see the TOC? He got dropped on the "flat" stages because they have like a cat 4 half way through.
BB has a point
Kittle always struggles if its not a near pan flat route
Almost all his wins in 2011 came on pan flat roads.
Guardini cant climb, at all...
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| roturn |
Posted on 17-07-2012 13:43
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
How low is Kittel's Mtn/hill. Definietley in mid 50s for me, he gets dropped on every speedbump and never finishes.
Dont forget he was sick at the Tour...he is similar to Guardini in my eyes.
Did you see the TOC? He got dropped on the "flat" stages because they have like a cat 4 half way through.
Kittel had problems with the musculature of his left leg during the Tour of California. This was also the reason for his abandoning as he thought it would be better to prepare different for the Tour.
So just like this years Tour it`s not really the right race to check his skills. 
He surely is not the greatest climber just like Guardini and weaker than other sprinters, but the Tour and California are not the races to look at.
Edited by roturn on 17-07-2012 13:44
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 17-07-2012 13:46
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Give me some races to look at then. I haven't seen any of his wins this year.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 17-07-2012 13:51
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This year kittel has won in oman, zlm tour, de panne, etoile
and the scheldprijs
while good wins, none of them are hilly at all
Kittel has a good top speed, but he is not better at climbing than guardini
For guardini, apart from his giro win
he has won at langkwai (x6), qinqhai (x3)
He is fast, but none of those races had major competition
76-77 at best .... or sagan needs 83 sp
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 17-07-2012 13:55
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
We are watching the different Tour Teddy, if you think Goss is 2 points better in the flat sprint. One point at most and lower acceleration for Goss.
For me:
Goss: 80/80
Sagan: 79/82
Actually you say lower acceleration for Goss by you increased his to 80 in your post (he currently has 78 in the game)
As Teddy pointed out, with the current stats Sagan will beat Goss most times mainly because of acceleration but also flat, hill, resistance, etc. Only REC playing in Goss' favor here, but in the 1st week irl recovery wasn't such a big factor and Sagan was beaten by Goss most times. Goss +1 SP imo.
And I think Sagan should have -1 SP. He was beaten f.e. by Tom Veelers in the two sprints they matched up on this year's Tour, and his high ACC should guarantee the Top 10's he's been getting in the Tour. Imo, if less sprinters were focused on the Olympics (either by not racing the Tour or by not peaking to it or by not wanting to spend so much energy on it) he wouldn't be getting near Top 5 with the ease he's doing way.
On the Guardini matter, lowering his HIL should be enough to stop him contesting in non-pan flat stages. Lowering his MO on the other hand won't change a thing in the flat stages (if a stage gets to the point that MO is partially used for climbing, you can be sure Guardini will be dropped), and will make it impossible for him to get in the 3rd week of a GT. +1/+2 MO, -1/-2 HIL, imo.
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| tellico |
Posted on 17-07-2012 13:58
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Im sure that you all now that so just for remember: responsible for the acceleration is how quickly will decrease the red bar not how big is (lack of word..) impetus(?). So imo it is especially important on hilly sprints for puncheurs. Be careful in lifting ACCmeaning only the flat sprint because we may find that someone is invincible in hilly classics. |
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| Rammus |
Posted on 17-07-2012 15:43
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Pretty good so far ! My only gripe is there's limited character in res/sta/rec especially for the gt contenders. It seems if they have a number say 77 in one of these stats then they have also 77 in the other 2 (plus or minus 1). So all the riders just ride the same ...
For example, I thought a high resistance means you can hang in at a high pace for a longer time as it reduces the rate at which the red bar decreases (like a wiggins or basso) yet the number they are given is even less than their stamina/recovery which I thought was bizarre. They should be switched around 
Also for Iglinksy it is strange to see he has one of the lowest stamina for a classics specialist despite his good results in long races, Milan-San-Remo, Liege, Tour of Flanders, Strade Bianchi etc
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| haasje33 |
Posted on 17-07-2012 15:50
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Looking great. One thing so far:
Froome is better in the mountains than Wiggins, but in the DB their stats are equal. Maybe Froome to 81 (I think he wouldn't be much worse than Contador or Schleck) and Wiggins to 79?
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 17-07-2012 15:52
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haasje33 wrote:
Looking great. One thing so far:
Froome is better in the mountains than Wiggins, but in the DB their stats are equal. Maybe Froome to 81 (I think he wouldn't be much worse than Contador or Schleck) and Wiggins to 79?
These are based on results, not opinion and/or predictions.
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| haasje33 |
Posted on 17-07-2012 15:54
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My opinion is based on results... Take the Tour-stage to La Toussuire or last year's Vuelta. Froome was clearly better than Wiggins.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 17-07-2012 15:55
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haasje33 wrote:
My opinion is based on results... Take the Tour-stage to La Toussuire or last year's Vuelta. Froome was clearly better than Wiggins.
I meant that he's almost as good as Contador or Schleck.
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| Squire |
Posted on 17-07-2012 16:14
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Can someone please upload the cdb file?
I don't have PCM12, so I don't want to DL the whole DB, but I'd like to contribute with some stats input.
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