baseballlover312, 06-03-14 : "Nuke Moscow...Don't worry Russia, we've got plenty of love to go around your cities"
Sarah Palin, 08-03-14 (CPAC, on Russian aggression) : "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke"
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Britain will send troops to Ukraine for military exercises, about time too.
It is time we really showed Russia what force they could be facing if they carry on. Their comment I read on an article a few days angered, basically reminding everyone that they have nuclear weapons. I have also read Poland and Estonia, especially Estonia feel vulnerable against continued Russian aggression. I still think this is heading one way and unfortunately to a major war. But I will never accept the Russian's reasons for what they are doing, their are no reasons for taking another countries land. Just my opinion
Hmm. Russia has always had bases in Ukraine, with certain provisions as to how many troops and naval units can be present in Ukraine, agreed upon right after Soviet dissolution iirc. And on the nuclear weapons -- if anything I think talking about them makes it less likely that they consider such a path.
Also no one is protecting a lot of innocents in Donetsk and Lugansk besides Russian military, as rebels are becoming really boisterous. These people can't be "forced" to support Kiev agenda, no?
In principle what Russia is doing is morally wrong, but as with most wars these days it's more about making your surroundings weak through mostly false campaigns rather than gaining anything materalistic (pre-WWI)
Anyhow there's always something funny even in a situation like this:
baseballlover312, 06-03-14 : "Nuke Moscow...Don't worry Russia, we've got plenty of love to go around your cities"
Sarah Palin, 08-03-14 (CPAC, on Russian aggression) : "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke"
Big thanks to jdog for making this AMAZING userbar!
For me, it is hard to "take sides" in this conflict. Both sides are lying and it is so hard to get valuable independent information. It seems that Russians operating directly in Ukraine is a fact, but i dont see self titled Ukrainian goverment and president as the "better ones"
In Czech republic, there is currently big anti-Russian campaign going on in media and society. We will never forget the year 1968, but i dont like all that hate, it does not serve any good.
Russia was always a world force, they were just silent and in chaos since dissolution of USSR, now they are back. Hard to swallow for an American eagle...
I completely agree with Avin. It's just wrong to be on either side, just because both of them are lying and you should never use modern media to inform yourself about stuff like this (at least not media strictly biased towards one side). While on one side it's much more than this, it's in basics usual East vs West conflict, where Russia represents East and Ukraine represents West. And even though, as I said, I am not on Russian side, I am pissed off by the fact that Ukrainians and whole Ukraine as a country allowed and accepted to be controlled by US and EU that easy. Okay, it's clear that they almost had no choice, it's clear that Russia would be waaay too strong for them if it ever comes to a serious war and it's clear they need some kind of support, but why would you beg and ask for support someone that is just there to basically take what they want (indirectly to make a mess between these two countries) and are not willing to actually *help* you. Classic Middle East situation. Divide and conquer. I hate Western politic so much.
Russian agression, however, need to stop as soon as possible, too.
Edited by admirschleck on 03-09-2014 09:52
Its just wrong to be on either side? Oh well, guess I am wrong then, but I really dont care that much. I don't see how you cannot be against Russia since they clearly are the aggressor here.
Seems the same campaign like in the Czech Republic is running in Germany.
It feels like they (politicians & mainstream media) are desperately trying to sell war, but fortunately a majority of people here aren't buying this anymore.
The NATO members had lost moral high ground when they/we started wars and occupations, renditions, torture and spying on their/our citizens. Freedom and civil liberty are shrinking around the world and Putin isn't better than Obama, but he hasn't started a war, yet.
Saying that, the whole concept of preemptive wars symbols the decline of western civilization. Attacking a country just because they may will attack us in the future is according to my opinion barbaric and missing common sense.
In world war one 20 percent of the victims were civilian... it turns to 50 percent in the second world war, where massive strikes against highly populated areas were used to demoralize the enemy (Coventry, Dresden, Hiroshima,...)... nowadays 80 percent of the victims are civilian (shock and awe).
That means every war is a war against citizens, not the politicians who asked for it and not against military personal in the first instance.
Imo more and more Germans feeling that they have more in common with ordinary Russian or American people (or citizens from any other country) than with their own government.
Edited by Margh Norway on 03-09-2014 10:59
That's on Serbian, but in short - Gay Pride is going to be held 28th September in Belgrade. Without any intention to start new gay discussion, do you really think this is a right decision? Okay, I have absolutely nothing against gays (in terms that I hate them or what not), but why don't they just stay home and do what they want to do. Okay, go on street and kiss, do whatever you want (that is in borders of respecting the law), just do not organise the pride. Why is it so important to take a kilometer walk, show you're different and spend alot of money on it? And even (try to) do that constantly, every year? Should I go on the streets of Belgrade and make an Islam walk, just because I am muslim and I live in this country, where most of people are orthodox? Why would a government literally give millions of dinars (dinar is really week currency, yet it's alot of money), while on another side, just few tens of kilometers south, we do have one whole city DESTROYED by floodings that happened just couple of months ago. People literally still do not have anywhere to sleep, they barely have anything to eat and even besides that, they're organising a walk that will:
1. Make a big mess. This country is loaded by hooligans, who will without any doubt, protest against this. Protest on a really bad way. (I am not defending them either, all of those should be in jail, but it's just provoking them)
2. Half of the shops, banks and whatnot on that route will be destroyed.
3. Alot of people (policemen at first place) would be in danger, as we do not really have a good experience with those prides in past few years.
4. Alot of money, that could've been used to feed the poor (there are alot in this, call it "country") if nothing, will be spent on security and yet all these things above will happen. That's just what kept on happening past years and there's absolutely no way to avoid it.
Serbia just have too many problems at the moment for organising such a thing. I can understand something like this in modern countries, but there are much more important things in this wannabe "country" that should be done before doing something like this and Serbia definitely isn't a modern country in this moment. Or will we really do everything to kiss Europe's ass and to finally get in EU, which is, besides Germany, France and few more countries, a ship that is slowly sinking? It looks so.
Edited by admirschleck on 04-09-2014 11:04
baseballlover312 wrote:
"We're not any different. Just treat us the same."
"Let's have a huge parade to celebrate how we're different than everyone else."
In all fairness you have that with every marginalised group/movement.
Ethnic Minorities, religious movements, hell even feminism to an extend
(Not the whole lets have a parade thing but introducing a minimum quota of women on the board of multi-million € companies etc..)!
admirschleck wrote:
Without any intention to start new gay discussion, do you really think this is a right decision? Okay, I have absolutely nothing against gays (in terms that I hate them or what not), but why don't they just stay home and do what they want to do. Okay, go on street and kiss, do whatever you want (that is in borders of respecting the law), just do not organise the pride.
Yes, it is on principle! We are talking about the same idea as a protest March for Civil Rights.
I get that you are not for this march and are of the opinion that homosexual people can live and express themselves freely on a daily bases just like heterosexual people. And they do, for 364 days of the year!
These marches are just about getting public recognition and equal treatment same as Heterosexual people.
Should I go on the streets of Belgrade and make an Islam walk, just because I am muslim and I live in this country, where most of people are orthodox?
You dont have to, but it has been done plenty of times beforehand! This is not the exact same as a gay pride march, but its an annual celebration and expression of the Islamic belief... In a mostly christian country!
Why would a government literally give millions of dinars (dinar is really week currency, yet it's alot of money), while on another side, just few tens of kilometers south, we do have one whole city DESTROYED by floodings that happened just couple of months ago.
Maybe there is a financial incentive from private business owners or grant money made available. Who knows how much money is being generated in revenue thanks to this March! But I do share your concern about money not being spent on the victims of the floods.
1. Make a big mess. This country is loaded by hooligans, who will without any doubt, protest against this. Protest on a really bad way. (I am not defending them either, all of those should be in jail, but it's just provoking them)
The same thing happened during the Civil Rights Marches in the US. I agree that violence and destruction of property is not the right way, BUT refusing people the right to March and Protest for equal treatment in society (at least by law), is just as bad.
Some social groups will always go in the barricades in order to prevent civil rights and equality agendas, up to the point of violence and property destruction in order to get these Marches stopped. Its just the nature of extreme conservatism (ok, that one is a bit of an extrapolation but you catch my drift!).
Or will we really do everything to kiss Europe's ass and to finally get in EU, which is, besides Germany, France and few more countries, a ship that is slowly sinking? It looks so.
I dont see what accepting Equality for both Heterosexuals and Homosexuals has to do with entering the EU... There are countries in the EU that still dont have a very positive stance in regards to Homosexuality. Sure some high up members in French Politics are among the biggest Homophobes that ever walked on this planet!
In theory I would like to agree with equal rights and all for homosexuality. In reality these demonstrations don't seem to be achieving the main purpose
baseballlover312, 06-03-14 : "Nuke Moscow...Don't worry Russia, we've got plenty of love to go around your cities"
Sarah Palin, 08-03-14 (CPAC, on Russian aggression) : "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke"
Big thanks to jdog for making this AMAZING userbar!
547984 wrote:
In theory I would like to agree with equal rights and all for homosexuality. In reality these demonstrations don't seem to be achieving the main purpose
What do you base that opinion on? It has been working in other countries albeit at to slow of a pace but it has been moving the issue forward. These marches will bring out the homophobic people which is a good thing, I have found that the exposure some homophobic people get to gay people and gay culture the better and it does change minds. Like many other equality movements in the past they should not hide and hope things improve but they should show people who they are and educate against prejudice. Also things like Gay Pride marches do not represent the whole gay community but just a portion, it raises awareness, give people confidence to not be scared to show others who they are and hopefully inspires others to help move this issue forward using other means. It might not look like it is working but it certainly is
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547984 wrote:
In theory I would like to agree with equal rights and all for homosexuality. In reality these demonstrations don't seem to be achieving the main purpose
What do you base that opinion on? It has been working in other countries albeit at to slow of a pace but it has been moving the issue forward. These marches will bring out the homophobic people which is a good thing, I have found that the exposure some homophobic people get to gay people and gay culture the better and it does change minds. Like many other equality movements in the past they should not hide and hope things improve but they should show people who they are and educate against prejudice. Also things like Gay Pride marches do not represent the whole gay community but just a portion, it raises awareness, give people confidence to not be scared to show others who they are and hopefully inspires others to help move this issue forward using other means. It might not look like it is working but it certainly is
You have a valid point. I'm just on the fence about the whole "pride" thing, how necessary it is. I guess even if it's just to make news, that's part of the goal achieved.
I've always wondered though, how do gays view accolades in terms of "first gay person to ..." Do they take pride in that, or do they just want it to not seem like being a gay person to do this and that should be noted of? That I'm not too sure about.
baseballlover312, 06-03-14 : "Nuke Moscow...Don't worry Russia, we've got plenty of love to go around your cities"
Sarah Palin, 08-03-14 (CPAC, on Russian aggression) : "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke"
Big thanks to jdog for making this AMAZING userbar!
Russian agression continues: https://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/05/wor...hpt=ieu_c2
An Estonian was kidnapped by armed Russians about 10km from the border. Russia claims that he was arrested inside Russia.
There are clear footprints of several men coming from Russia and then returning while witnesses have confirmed seeing armed men.
Meanwhile, Russia claims he was a spy and had materials that indicate intelligence mission. Maybe a map with an arrow and text "spy here" //sarcasm
I think its about time to completely blockage Russia. WW2 started because allies were to soft on Germay.
