He'll get to do major races and get good training, while not having the pressure of having to lead while so young because the team is so stacked.
Later when he has the experience to be a leader without mentally ruining him, he can change teams.
EDIT: Also, given how Sky tend to off unreal wages way above market value, it's likely he's best paid there as well
Edited by issoisso on 18-09-2012 22:42
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"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
Completely different. You can't seriously compare the expectation level of leading Bontrager at the Tour of Utah or Colorado, to having a World Tour team rely on you for results in big races
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issoisso wrote:
If you want to hate a young american, hate Talansky, he at least deserves it.
There's probably a story behind this, so I have to ask - why?
He has a reputation form teammates, coaches, etc. of being a monster asshole, extremely hard to get along with. Even Vaughters admits it.
Worse, he's a 22 year old spouting the omertá line: Armstrong is a great man, should be left alone, the past should stay buried, etc etc. It got to the point where Vaughters had to yell at him over what he said on the Sky subject.
And the hipocrisy in his statements is jarring in how constant it is. Take his latest interview, one line he says the peloton won't stand for cheating because any doper is ostracized (his words), then the next he's raving about how Contador is so respected and wonderful.
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Because that training is dope, and he doesn't need dope. He is actually talented.
And look at Sky's roster, then answer me again.
ah doping discussion i see
Moral question; Results with doping, or no results with no doping? (not a great question, and i know your answer but i had to ask)
So what team should he go to, where there is no doping, that is WT?
(note; Garmin is not a valid answer) (note2; WT, as apparently he is that good)
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
In any case, it's bollocks to imply that Sky has no talented riders. It's ridiculous to suggest that all other riders and teams are clean.
Not what I mean.
Manx: None with none.
But look at the roster. Do you really think he will get any opportunities. Pate takes up most of them, and Wiggins and Froome are there to mop it up. Porte, Rogers, Uran, Henao, Cataldo, Siutsou also.
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy
But look at the roster. Do you really think he will get any opportunities. Pate takes up most of them, and Wiggins and Froome are there to mop it up. Porte, Rogers, Uran, Henao, Cataldo, Siutsou also.
But he doesnt need to lead. Spending a year or two working as a helper, learning, gaining respect, knowledge, understanding and more ability can only be a good thing. At Sky he will be learning from a top class team as they go for GT wins. There is no better learning environment than a team like that.
He might get the same GT aims with other teams but Skys professionalism is unmatched
But look at the roster. Do you really think he will get any opportunities. Pate takes up most of them, and Wiggins and Froome are there to mop it up. Porte, Rogers, Uran, Henao, Cataldo, Siutsou also.
But he doesnt need to lead. Spending a year or two working as a helper, learning, gaining respect, knowledge, understanding and more ability can only be a good thing. At Sky he will be learning from a top class team as they go for GT wins. There is no better learning environment than a team like that.
He might get the same GT aims with other teams but Skys professionalism is unmatched
Yes, but leaadership experience is also vital in becoming a leader. A few oppurtunities as a free element. And we all know there are no frees in a mountain train by Sky. Slave work would be good working like a Vanendert per say, but working in a mountain train does not help much.
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy
Yes, but leaadership experience is also vital in becoming a leader. A few oppurtunities as a free element. And we all know there are no frees in a mountain train by Sky. Slave work would be good working like a Vanendert per say, but working in a mountain train does not help much.
True he will need to lead to get better as well.
But he has time. For all we know he may leave at the end of the year all the better for being with Sky.
This isnt the death of his career, as some people seem to think
issoisso wrote:
He'll get to do major races and get good training, while not having the pressure of having to lead while so young because the team is so stacked.
Marginal gains. Watch as Dombrowski wins more stages in the 2013 AToC than Sagan did this year
But seriously, it's not like Dombrowski is signing a life contract or something with Sky.. dude's 21, there's so much time for him to lead GTs for experience/train/be a slave at a mountain train/whatever.
issoisso wrote:
He'll get to do major races and get good training, while not having the pressure of having to lead while so young because the team is so stacked.
Later when he has the experience to be a leader without mentally ruining him, he can change teams.
EDIT: Also, given how Sky tend to off unreal wages way above market value, it's likely he's best paid there as well
There's two issues here. First for Dombrowski, yes, on paper everything you just noted is entirely true, in terms of money, support, and no pressure. However, there is a well discussed issue in US sports (which is very well present in any sport, including footy, but in the US there appears to be more awareness of it), called the Disease of More. Basically, a team has a lot of success, and suddenly a lot of the secondary and tertiary pieces on the team go home, look in the mirror, and say 'I did a really good job, and the team owes me because of what we achieved, I want to get something back,' and they start demanding more money, more playing time, a larger role in the team. Sky seems poised on the edge of something similar. The whole Wiggo vs. Froome debate is part of this (can you really not imagine Froome pulling up the Tour tape over the winter and spending the entire time thinking to himself he should be the team leader?), as is the Cavendish debacle. Look at the rest of Sky's roster. Don't you think Porte will speak up at some point, ask for some leadership roles in smaller races for himself? What about Uran, or even Henao, the latter being probably the highest rated prospect of anyone I've named. Is Uran going to be content with Ardennes leader and GT domestique? What if he wants a shot at the Vuelta, or even at the Tour de Suisse. And Henao going to start asking for those roles sooner rather than later. Wiggo and Froome meanwhile won't back down from leading at smaller races themselves, they need the form. Suddenly, the race leadership spots at a level beyond that of a 2.1 race, like the ToC or the ToU, are drying up. Is there really room for a guy like Dombrowski to get his reps at a high level? He's obviously very highly rated as a prospect, but he doesn't have the experience and the track record to demand roles, and that's not even including his personality.
On the other side, I think people are just mad that Sky is starting to look more and more like the New York Yankees or Manchester City. Just spending and spending and spending to build a fantastic team with a fantastic support staff and basically buying race victories, instead of building organically and winning through gained experience and smarts. They just sit on the front of the race, drop everyone, and ride away. It's really, really, boring. Only BMC and Katusha have the money to compete, but BMC hasn't been as successful, as other than Cadel none of their other deep pocket signings, Hushovd, Gilbert, etc. have been as advertised, and TJ was an organic pick up. Hence, for them, the lack of similar feeling, and Katusha holds so many spots for Russian riders, and has had trouble picking up top quality talent I think because of the whole Eastern vs. Western Europe thing, that even with J-Rod and what not, they haven't had the same effect as well. It may not be fair to Sky but it is how many, including myself, feel.
Deadpool wrote:
There's two issues here. First for Dombrowski, yes, on paper everything you just noted is entirely true, in terms of money, support, and no pressure. However, there is a well discussed issue in US sports (which is very well present in any sport, including footy, but in the US there appears to be more awareness of it), called the Disease of More. Basically, a team has a lot of success, and suddenly a lot of the secondary and tertiary pieces on the team go home, look in the mirror, and say 'I did a really good job, and the team owes me because of what we achieved, I want to get something back,' and they start demanding more money, more playing time, a larger role in the team. Sky seems poised on the edge of something similar. The whole Wiggo vs. Froome debate is part of this (can you really not imagine Froome pulling up the Tour tape over the winter and spending the entire time thinking to himself he should be the team leader?), as is the Cavendish debacle. Look at the rest of Sky's roster. Don't you think Porte will speak up at some point, ask for some leadership roles in smaller races for himself? What about Uran, or even Henao, the latter being probably the highest rated prospect of anyone I've named. Is Uran going to be content with Ardennes leader and GT domestique? What if he wants a shot at the Vuelta, or even at the Tour de Suisse. And Henao going to start asking for those roles sooner rather than later. Wiggo and Froome meanwhile won't back down from leading at smaller races themselves, they need the form. Suddenly, the race leadership spots at a level beyond that of a 2.1 race, like the ToC or the ToU, are drying up. Is there really room for a guy like Dombrowski to get his reps at a high level? He's obviously very highly rated as a prospect, but he doesn't have the experience and the track record to demand roles, and that's not even including his personality.
On the other side, I think people are just mad that Sky is starting to look more and more like the New York Yankees or Manchester City. Just spending and spending and spending to build a fantastic team with a fantastic support staff and basically buying race victories, instead of building organically and winning through gained experience and smarts. They just sit on the front of the race, drop everyone, and ride away. It's really, really, boring. Only BMC and Katusha have the money to compete, but BMC hasn't been as successful, as other than Cadel none of their other deep pocket signings, Hushovd, Gilbert, etc. have been as advertised, and TJ was an organic pick up. Hence, for them, the lack of similar feeling, and Katusha holds so many spots for Russian riders, and has had trouble picking up top quality talent I think because of the whole Eastern vs. Western Europe thing, that even with J-Rod and what not, they haven't had the same effect as well. It may not be fair to Sky but it is how many, including myself, feel.
How so ? They're not buying any massive leaders in their team ? Just giving an example OPQS offered Cav more money lst year, meanwhile GreenEdge and Rabobank made same offers as Sky. If it wasn't for British link and the internal pressure - Sky wouldn't have signed Cav purely on money offered.
There's no Sky rider that's greatly overpaid expect Wiggins. All of this year's transfer so far haven't been big names ? Were they ?
Astana and OPQS same in budget as Sky though as well.
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