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| CountArach |
Posted on 07-07-2013 13:42
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fosforgasXIII wrote:
The thing that I hate the most is not reallyt Sky's performances, but the fact that NO ONE questions their perfromances. All (ex-)cyclists, trainers, scientists, team managers and journalists say it's perfectly legit and plausible. Only the fans dare to doubt this doping circus, but the cycling world is trying to trick us again in believing the "next cycling miracle".
Only Christophe Bassons has stated last year that Team Sky is very unlikely to be clean. He was the first one to doubt Armstrong's performances either.
As I said earlier, one of the big problems is that libel laws in Europe really do make it really, really hard for journalists to call these things into question. It opens their paper up to being sued, or the journalist personally.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 07-07-2013 13:58
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Froome was 15 seconds slower than Armstrong in 2001
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| issoisso |
Posted on 07-07-2013 14:00
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Spilak23 wrote:
Froome was 15 seconds slower than Armstrong in 2001
With a headwind while Armstrong had a tailwind.
He was still faster than Armstrong 2003 and RoboBasso 2005
Edited by issoisso on 07-07-2013 14:00
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 07-07-2013 14:06
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On Ax-3-Domaines btw.
2003 was almost the exact same stage as yesterday with Port Pailheres combo
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| the_hoyle |
Posted on 07-07-2013 14:14
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CountArach wrote:
fosforgasXIII wrote:
The thing that I hate the most is not reallyt Sky's performances, but the fact that NO ONE questions their perfromances. All (ex-)cyclists, trainers, scientists, team managers and journalists say it's perfectly legit and plausible. Only the fans dare to doubt this doping circus, but the cycling world is trying to trick us again in believing the "next cycling miracle".
Only Christophe Bassons has stated last year that Team Sky is very unlikely to be clean. He was the first one to doubt Armstrong's performances either.
As I said earlier, one of the big problems is that libel laws in Europe really do make it really, really hard for journalists to call these things into question. It opens their paper up to being sued, or the journalist personally.
L'equipe appeared to ask if Froome is clean or not yesterday... that was funny to see on twitter
EDIT: here's the article https://www.lequip...100/384086
Edited by the_hoyle on 07-07-2013 14:21
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| Ybodonk |
Posted on 07-07-2013 18:57
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CountArach wrote:
fosforgasXIII wrote:
The thing that I hate the most is not reallyt Sky's performances, but the fact that NO ONE questions their perfromances. All (ex-)cyclists, trainers, scientists, team managers and journalists say it's perfectly legit and plausible. Only the fans dare to doubt this doping circus, but the cycling world is trying to trick us again in believing the "next cycling miracle".
Only Christophe Bassons has stated last year that Team Sky is very unlikely to be clean. He was the first one to doubt Armstrong's performances either.
As I said earlier, one of the big problems is that libel laws in Europe really do make it really, really hard for journalists to call these things into question. It opens their paper up to being sued, or the journalist personally.
Excellent points  Here in Denmark the channel covering TDF are running an explicit propaganda, defending Sky. Our 2-3 commentators + journalist are all very outspoken about their true belief in Sky and their miracle way of preparing and training. Very naive. Furthermore they where backed by 2 or 3 big experts from BBC and other channels. Maybe they are being naive on purpose, dont know. Aquarius my old friend, i know im very little active, but im always enjoying your posts the most. Full of knowlegde backed by evidence.
1. Loved the argumentation about Sky's method being the same as others did 15 years ago.
2. Loved that Brailsford stopped bragging about their methods, after it came to his knowlegde that he does the same as everyone else.
3. Loved all the watt numbers and math you are spoiling the forum with.
4. The numbers do not lie, Froomes time yesterday was better than Ullrich, Armstrong and Basso on heavy dope
5. I actually like Froome for being SO unorthodox, looking like a spider, making the race anarchistic by his presence. He is very symphatic though. Hate his dominance. And I dislike Porte.
6. Aquarius you mentioned, something about an interview from a lab doctor, who could dope you "bulletproof". Very, VERY interesting and im 100 percent with you on this one too. Can you maybe provide a link ?
7. According to the numbers and math, Contadors performance ysterday, was close to the limit of a "clean" human perfomance right ? 6w/kg ?
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| Iguwell |
Posted on 07-07-2013 19:18
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More confirmation on SKY doping today.
Whatever drugs they are using they can provide some serious side effects.
Kiriyenka falling for the time limit as the only rider is not realistic. |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 07-07-2013 19:21
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Either that, or they are intentionally doing it to prevent accusations.
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 07-07-2013 19:28
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I wouldn't say that Kiryienka's abandonment is any kind of evidence. He looked pretty bad yesterday as well, so I'm guessing he's either sick, injured or just completely out of form.
Besides, I seem to recall him doing the exact same thing a few years ago. Incredibly incosistent rider with a huge range between top and bottom level.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 07-07-2013 19:30
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
I wouldn't say that Kiryienka's abandonment is any kind of evidence. He looked pretty bad yesterday as well, so I'm guessing he's either sick, injured or just completely out of form.
Besides, I seem to recall him doing the exact same thing a few years ago. Incredibly incosistent rider with a huge range between top and bottom level.
What about Porte?
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Posted on 07-07-2013 19:35
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Not saying that his [Porte's] fallout isn't doping-related. 
All I claim is that in Kiryienka's case, there's a fair chance it's related to other things.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 07-07-2013 19:46
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Have people considered that Porte may not be doped, and expended so much energy that today he is just tired? It is a possibility...
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 07-07-2013 19:57
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Have people considered that Porte may not be doped, and expended so much energy that today he is just tired? It is a possibility...
Nope. And I'm not going to.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 07-07-2013 20:54
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It could be that almost the whole team got sick. But then it seems strange that Froome isn't sick
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 07-07-2013 21:22
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Spilak23 wrote:
It could be that almost the whole team got sick. But then it seems strange that Froome isn't sick
Food poisoning. Have you looked at him ? Froome doesn't eat. Hence he didn't get sick. 
Ybodonk : here's the link (in French) :
https://www.rue89....ire-241015
keyword, in English : pharmacokinetics
https://en.wikipe...cokinetics
If mastered : bulletproof method.
Edited by Aquarius on 07-07-2013 21:25
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| jph27 |
Posted on 07-07-2013 21:45
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See, I only find Wiggins and Froome suspicious. However when I say suspicious, I mean that I'd eat my body weight in tripe if they aren't doping |
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 07-07-2013 22:01
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Porte wouldn't be capable to perform like he did yesterday if he was clean. Also, yesterday he was not that tired when he arrived, so it can't be that. |
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| jph27 |
Posted on 07-07-2013 22:05
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Schleck96 wrote:
Porte wouldn't be capable to perform like he did yesterday if he was clean. Also, yesterday he was not that tired when he arrived, so it can't be that.
Porte is in a gray area for me. He was pretty good as a neopro then stagnated. Plus, his collapse today would have been avoidable with a plentiful drug supply, surely? |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 07-07-2013 22:08
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No, it'd still happen. But if dope makes you 10 % stronger than your clean self nowadays, on a bad day (say -20 %), you'll still be 10 % stronger if doped than if not doped.
Rider X clean on a normal day : 100
Rider X doped on a normal day : 110
Rider X clean on a bad day : 80
Rider X doped on a bad day : 88
That's just random figures but it gives you a clearer idea of what I meant. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 07-07-2013 22:11
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jph27 wrote:
Schleck96 wrote:
Porte wouldn't be capable to perform like he did yesterday if he was clean. Also, yesterday he was not that tired when he arrived, so it can't be that.
Porte is in a gray area for me. He was pretty good as a neopro then stagnated. Plus, his collapse today would have been avoidable with a plentiful drug supply, surely?
A lot can go wrong with doping if you don't get one of the several dosages right or if you don't take drugs that work well together and with your body. There's a lot of potential to have a complete crackdown and lose 20 minutes like Porte today.
In the usual EPO days of the 90s and early 2000s it kept happening. Landis, Beloki, Jalabert, etc etc.
Have you seen it happen since the blood passport is around? I haven't till today. It was very common before. This kind of inconsistency doesn't say 'clean', quite the opposite.
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