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| ruben |
Posted on 21-11-2011 23:41
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issoisso wrote:
You're both wrong. Dekker confessed as little as he could get away with (it was especially ridiculous how he insists that all the big results he ever had were clean) while Basso never admitted to doping, he just claimed he "intended to dope but got caught before it"
Again, you are completely wrong as always. How badly are you informed. Have you even kept up with news in cycling at all in the past 1,5 year? Or just sitting under a rock.
sorry Isso, but you're "I know it all attitude", where 90% of the time you sprout total nonsense or outdated info is over with me.
For the ones who don't know better than to follow Isso every word, here's the real story
Dekker admitted everything, using doping over a longer period of time since 2007. He's been co-operating with WADA even during his suspension and told them the how and where, only exception is not naming names of co-dopers because he doesn't believe he should take others with him in his fall.
Since then he worked with Vaughtesr/van Diemen and they checked his blood levels in and physical capacity in the past 1,5 year. His physical capacities in the final tests where 'extraordinary. His lactate values (in dutch lactaatwaarden, don't know how to translate), recuperation and watts where among the best in pro cycling. While his blood levels stayed the same and showed no abnormalities compared to his first test 1,5 year when his tests where very bad (due to no training + partying for half a year)
What isso is referring to is the first 4 months after his suspension when Thomas Dekker was still living in his own world and own truths. Like I said, outdated info. But it's always like that with Isso. So many times... with every cycling news, Isso only remembers the bits of months ago and doesn't accept new info whatsoever into his memory banks...
And that's the story. Period.
Edited by ruben on 21-11-2011 23:47
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-11-2011 23:48
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Bull. Shit.
Take your head out of Dekker's ass and then we'll talk
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| ruben |
Posted on 22-11-2011 00:07
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Ah so that's your argument "bull. Shit"
Dude, you know nothing, really nothing. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 22-11-2011 00:15
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Also Isso, I can actually provide sources of information that back up my story. You on the other hand can only rely on articles of just after 2009 suspension since that's all that got into your head
About him admitting to using dope for a long period
https://www.cyclin...redemption
About him providing information to WADA
https://www.cyclin...on-to-wada
About him testing with Garmin
https://www.cyclin...gical-data
https://www.cyclin...be-a-dream
https://www.cyclin...h-chipotle
And about Dekkers world class tests
https://www.cyclin...armin-gala
https://www.wieler...ijzen.html
Bye.
Try to counter it with something new instead of your 2 year-outdated shit. Lol. Then we talk ;-)
It's easy to counter any argument with "you're a fanboy" ..but not easy when backing it up with facts. Something you should try some day
Edited by ruben on 22-11-2011 00:22
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| OlegTinkov |
Posted on 22-11-2011 00:25
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 22-11-2011 00:31
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Amazing.
Personally I can't see anyone who has returned after a doping suspension who has ratted out a single other cyclist, so none of them get any points for openness.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 22-11-2011 00:31
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Fine, I'll reply if you insists.
The one thing I said, and that you got so offended about was this:
issoisso wrote:
Dekker confessed as little as he could get away with (it was especially ridiculous how he insists that all the big results he ever had were clean)
I'd have to look for a link for somewhere where he said that.
But thanks to you, you've already provided it. To quote from the link you posted:
I didn’t dope to win Romandie or Tirreno
So, to recap:
- I said ONE THING
- You then went apeshit and said that not only was that one thing not true, but a bunch of other crap that I never said or even hinted at was also not true
- Then you posted a link that proves what I said was true.
Criticizing my "attitude" was especially low. And hilariously misguided. You're still the same troll you've always been, always putting words into peoples' mouths when in fact you've never even taken the time to properly read what they've written before flying into anger because someone dared criticize your precious little Thomas
Problem, Ruben?
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| ruben |
Posted on 22-11-2011 01:36
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No, you put things in the wrong context again (as always).
Claiming Romandie and Tirreno is clean is not the same as admitting as little to 'get away with'.
Admitting as little to get away with = Ivan Basso
Admitting nothing at all = Vinokourov/Valverde
Thomas Dekker is more exactly like David Millar. And you know that. You just won't admit it. Because you blindly accept only your own truths. Face it!
Edited by ruben on 22-11-2011 01:36
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| DaBobScotts |
Posted on 22-11-2011 03:49
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This is turning into a very interesting debate...
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| Maximka |
Posted on 22-11-2011 04:01
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WTF? stop shitting on eachother and let's face one thing - they all were suspended and they all are returning. Let's see the show they will provide.
personally, i don't care about who's doped and who's not (well, apart of Clenbutador and legstrong, but it's pesonal hateness). so, i'm waiting for valverde to show, i was wery happy that Basso and vino are here again. i just want to see cycling
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 22-11-2011 07:17
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Maximka wrote:
WTF? stop shitting on eachother and let's face one thing - they all were suspended and they all are returning. Let's see the show they will provide.
personally, i don't care about who's doped and who's not (well, apart of Clenbutador and legstrong, but it's pesonal hateness). so, i'm waiting for valverde to show, i was wery happy that Basso and vino are here again. i just want to see cycling Moto GP is actually better. 2 wheels too, and even faster, thus more spectacular. |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 22-11-2011 21:47
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Carlos Betancur -> Liquigas
Good signing there.
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 22-11-2011 21:52
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Good move... he and Sarmiento Tunarrosa should be taken a look next season. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 24-11-2011 11:12
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Rasch, Veikkanen and Boucher sign with FDJ.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 24-11-2011 14:22
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Bellis (SAX) signs with An Post - Sean Kelly. |
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| olabj |
Posted on 24-11-2011 15:12
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Good for him. Hope that he can recover and come back to the WorldTour 
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| Wilier |
Posted on 28-11-2011 15:16
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Matthias Brändle ---> NetApp |
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| andy222c |
Posted on 28-11-2011 15:42
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Craig Lewis --> Champion System
Source: https://feltet.dk/nyheder/htc-rytter_t...on_system/
For those who dont know this team, i can tell that it is Hong Kong based team, that is seeking promosion to professional continental team for 2012.
Here's their provisional team roster for 2012:
William Clarke (Australien)
Aaron Kemps (Australien)
Jaan Kirsipuu (Estland)
Mart Ojavee (Estland)
Wu Kin San (Hong Kong)
Steven Wong (Hong Kong)
Kun Jiang (Kina)
Biao Liu (Kina)
Jiao Pengda (Kina)
Xu Gang (Kina)
Anuar Manan (Malaysia)
Clinton Avery (New Zealand)
Joris Boillat (Schweiz)
Matthias Friedemann (Tyskland)
Chris Butler (USA)
Craig Lewis (USA)
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| whitejersey |
Posted on 28-11-2011 15:53
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don't think they will get pro cont but who know... |
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| komando94 |
Posted on 28-11-2011 20:15
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Matthias Brandle --> Team NetApp |
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