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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 16-11-2013 17:05
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Not sure what you mean by the number of each category? If theyve won 3 GT stage wins then put 3 in that table, if theyve only won 1 GT stage then put 1.
Names of the races arent needed - just a numerical value.
And for TTTs, just make a separate table. There's no individual winner, but they do need to be kept track of since some teams will have a stage wins goal.
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| tyriion |
Posted on 19-11-2013 21:52
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tyriion wrote:
Btw, why is it that a team 13th in the CT gets a spot in PCT because of inactivity of a team over a team currently active in the PCT? Seems a bit weird to me, although it's been in the rules from the start I believe.
This question of mine got snowed under in the August rankings thread. I realize it's too late to change anything now, but it might be worth discussing for next season?
And maybe I'm just missing the obvious point why things are as they are. It's not even that I begrudge it the CT guys, as they're all great and keeping the game even more interesting. It's just purely from a 'sporting' perspective, if that makes sense.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 19-11-2013 22:04
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I always thought it is obvious that the 5th best team of a PCT division of 30 teams all under the same rules should be preferred over the 4th worst team of a PT division of 20. It simply did a better job.
Same goes for PCT and CT.
The fact that we have several disbanding teams and thus promotion going down as far as 11th or 12th is unfortunate and indeed distorts that principle, but where are we supposed to make a cut?
We have to stick to it.
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| tyriion |
Posted on 19-11-2013 22:18
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For this season obviously yes. But as you said a lot of disbanding teams means distortion  .
So I have quickly thought of an alternative. Just for PCT now as that's where this situation arises, but can be easily applied to PT too if needs be. 5 teams have to relegate, but for every 2 disbanding teams one active, but relegating, PCT team gets 'saved'. So that way if loads of teams fold during a season the more experienced managers get rewarded for their activity. But active CT managers get rewarded too, as for every 2 folding PCT teams one extra promotion spot opens up.
This system is still not perfect, but it would be a nice alternative and a way to reward sticking to your team.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 19-11-2013 22:23
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Just waiting for the moment UPC are clear of relegation anyway and the discussion becomes moot
And don't take away my only remaining chance of promotion! 
It's an odd situation indeed, and perhaps it's just about saying "oh well" moving on and then just gaining promotion after 2014. If you stay around you already get benefits in terms of knowledge and riders and budget (dependent) over brand new teams and some of the other CT teams you'll be up against if you relegate.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 20-11-2013 06:15
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I dont think tyrion is speaking about this just because he is the one who is concerned. It is strange indeed, also when you think about how it goes in real life cycling.
Seeing possibly teams like Cisco or UPC going down just to be replaced by 10th team of CT rankings (where are some 15 managers active?) would be quite strange. 
I like the idea of combining it somewhat...
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| Bjartne |
Posted on 20-11-2013 06:25
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Meh, I will go down anyway so for me it doesn't matter that much if I'm being joined by some PCT-teams or by stronger current CT-teams.
But still, I fancy the idea of tyrion. Would somewhat make it more balanced in extreme abandoning conditions like this years man-game. |
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| Heine |
Posted on 20-11-2013 06:45
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I or one think we should stick with how it is, simply becuse it gives managers that has been in the CT (or the PCT for that case) a chanse to try a higher level. Situations like this has happened before, then with promotion from PCT to PT.
In general I feel that if your team ends up in a relegation spot you deserve to relegate. You could say it is unfair that teams not in promotion spots promote, but this will give them a chanse to try a new level with new races for them. Also, with wages in general being lower after contract negotiations you should have a big chance of building a promotion team for next year, so you can see it as a middle season with the chance to battle against some new managers
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 21-11-2013 16:36
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So yes, the system is slanted towards those in the lower division. But I dont see it as a bad thing that this allows more managers the chance to play the game in a new division next season. Certainly it has made for a more interesting ProTour to have an influx of new teams over the past couple of season - means each season is sure to be quite different from the next.
Surely changing it would simply lead to making a mockery of having relegation? Is 13/22 really any less deserving than 26/30? Teams are only going to continue in the game if they have shown enough activity to deserve it, so its not like any teams who promote will be undeserving.
It's not like we are saying that if you relegate you are removed from the game. You are still in the game, just in a different division
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| tyriion |
Posted on 21-11-2013 17:29
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Yes I know. It's just that if you are really into your team, relegation sounds bad . And that's why I felt it weird this season, with all the folding teams and the likes.
But if that's the way it is, we will cope with it. Best way is to avoid relegation at all. And I never wanted to say that those in the CT don't deserve it, just wanted to bring it up as I felt weird about it. It has been discussed now and that's that.
Off to give Gavazzi and Veelers some pointers (salary might be a lot lower in the CT )
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| tastasol |
Posted on 21-11-2013 17:50
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I like the system
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| Bjartne |
Posted on 28-11-2013 05:46
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From the rules:
5. ProTour and ProContinental Teams must finish the transfers with a minimum of 20 riders and a maximum of 30 riders. For Continental teams this is a minimum of 15 and a maximum of 20. Riders loaned to another team do not count against this, while Stagiares only count as half a rider
Sorry for asking, but have never gone through this renewal progress with the big boys before. So I wondered. Is it allowed for me as a continental team to renew contract with, let's say 24 riders, as long as I finish with 20 or less?
And am I allowed to renew over the salary cap as long as I keep it below 1,2 million (2013 value) in the end of the transfer window or will I immediately miss one of my riders if I am over the cap after negotiations?
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| CountArach |
Posted on 28-11-2013 06:50
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Both are fine I believe. Certainly the latter happens quite often.
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| Heine |
Posted on 28-11-2013 07:05
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There is one thing to remember though (iirc), you get a fine for being over the cap after renewals. Not sure how big the fine will be, but I believe that it is 2x the amount you are over the cap
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| Bjartne |
Posted on 28-11-2013 07:06
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Both are fine I believe. Certainly the latter happens quite often.
Oh, I am so glad to hear that! Makes my preliminary renewal list so much easier to handle if I don't need to bother about wages our number during the renewal. The likes of Lo Cicero and Vanmarcke will literally break my salary cap alone. I want to get it 100% confirmed though |
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| Bjartne |
Posted on 28-11-2013 07:07
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There is one thing to remember though (iirc), you get a fine for being over the cap after renewals. Not sure how big the fine will be, but I believe that it is 2x the amount you are over the cap
Okay, thanks, fair enough. |
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| tyriion |
Posted on 28-11-2013 19:10
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Good to know indeed, this changes a lot and I guess it means relegating teams won't even get to cash in on their running contracts.
Damn, this game is realistic, no rider in his right mind would sign a contract that is sure to be sold out next. Looking forward to renewals for sure!
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| Stevenag |
Posted on 07-01-2014 16:20
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Just out of curiosity, is there a reason Tour Alsace isn't raced yet?
It was said to run at the same time as the Tour of America, but still nothing is said about it as far as i can see. |
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| fintas |
Posted on 17-02-2014 00:04
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I have a question that not saw answered on any topic. What happens to cyclists who despite having evolved one level, belonged to inactive teams? Who chooses how they are going to evolve?
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 17-02-2014 00:06
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fintas wrote:
I have a question that not saw answered on any topic. What happens to cyclists who despite having evolved one level, belonged to inactive teams? Who chooses how they are going to evolve?
I did.
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