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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 14-05-2013 20:03
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76 HIL? 75 HIL. |
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| colombia_coldeportes |
Posted on 14-05-2013 23:39
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Maybe Janier Acevedo (Jamis - Hagens Berman) deserves a little update. There are a lot of other guys with better stats than him without better results.
Won Tour of the Gila Stage 1
Won Amgen Tour of California Stage 2
5 Tour de San Luis Stage 5
GC Tour of the Gila 5
GC Tour de San Luis 8
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 14-05-2013 23:42
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Majka needs huge stat update,aswell.
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 14-05-2013 23:43
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Miguel98 wrote:
76 HIL? 75 HIL.
I was thinking that too but I thought my opinion might be biased because I don't like Team Sky 
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 14-05-2013 23:47
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colombia_coldeportes wrote:
Maybe Janier Acevedo (Jamis - Hagens Berman) deserves a little update. There are a lot of other guys with better stats than him without better results.
Won Tour of the Gila Stage 1
Won Amgen Tour of California Stage 2
5 Tour de San Luis Stage 5
GC Tour of the Gila 5
GC Tour de San Luis 8
If he keeps up this level in the AToC i will totally agree.
But Top5 in Gila is ok, but not good, and San Luis is never a great indication with many riders due to its date i.e. European riders out of season, and its targeted by the America Tour riders heavily (of which Acevedo is one). With a 71MO these results are achievable. Would suggest a HL boost to 70 as well.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 14-05-2013 23:49
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admirschleck wrote:
Majka needs huge stat update,aswell.
Again, Alak definitely watches the Giro and its still early in the race 
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 15-05-2013 00:19
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fcancellara wrote:
FroomeDog99 wrote:
But that's the point, he is at Sky 
Your really expect him to achieve his current results with 77 Mo? Dude, he won the Tour last year by 3 mins. You don't do that with 77 Mo 
Well, in theory you could, if you have a 82MO guy protecting him, and literally gain minutes in the time trials.
But 77 is too low, I'd put him 79 MO 76 HIL at the moment, but with below average endurance and resistance stats.
Maybe that would work, but would the 77 MO rider drop everyone except for his protector and one or another day after day, not giving any time to any contender in the mountain stages? Even disliking Wiggo, I don't think it's possible to deny that he was either the 2nd or 3rd best climber in last year's Tour.
But anyway, concerning the Giro: it's been one mountain stage people, calm down
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| Zilu |
Posted on 16-05-2013 20:51
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| Zilu |
Posted on 16-05-2013 21:07
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I think Brambilla deserved more plain after using for Cavendish |
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| Kentaurus |
Posted on 18-05-2013 23:46
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TheManxMissile wrote:
colombia_coldeportes wrote:
Maybe Janier Acevedo (Jamis - Hagens Berman) deserves a little update. There are a lot of other guys with better stats than him without better results.
Won Tour of the Gila Stage 1
Won Amgen Tour of California Stage 2
5 Tour de San Luis Stage 5
GC Tour of the Gila 5
GC Tour de San Luis 8
If he keeps up this level in the AToC i will totally agree.
But Top5 in Gila is ok, but not good, and San Luis is never a great indication with many riders due to its date i.e. European riders out of season, and its targeted by the America Tour riders heavily (of which Acevedo is one). With a 71MO these results are achievable. Would suggest a HL boost to 70 as well.
Today might have been more impressive from Acevedo, I'm not sure I see any way for his mountain not to be ~74-75 and probably a boost in Hill and Acceleration as well.
Last season for him on a domestic team, one of the world tours will have him next year.
Edited by Kentaurus on 18-05-2013 23:47
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 21-05-2013 16:44
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Seeing Giro, there will be few movers up such as Niemiec, Battaglin Betancur or Majka from the top of my head right now. Or movers down, such as Sanchez, and Gesink.
No updates though till summer though. After I get my exams done in June, i'll release an stat update for PCM12.
Edited by Alakagom on 21-05-2013 16:45
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 21-05-2013 17:37
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Don't forget Rabottini |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 21-05-2013 17:46
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Alakagom wrote:
Or movers down, ... and Gesink.
Greatest sentence in this thread ever!
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 21-05-2013 17:51
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Or movers down, ... and Gesink.
Greatest sentence in this thread ever!
No, that is 'Kelderman needs a big boost'.
Unfortunately, that's only said by me, ever
But yeah, Gesink can take a MO & HI drop. Not too big though, remember Vuelta 2012
Edited by Jesleyh on 21-05-2013 17:52
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 21-05-2013 17:59
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Jesleyh wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Or movers down, ... and Gesink.
Greatest sentence in this thread ever!
No, that is 'Kelderman needs a big boost'.
Unfortunately, that's only said by me, ever
But yeah, Gesink can take a MO & HI drop. Not too big though, remember Vuelta 2012
Schleck should get 82, remember Tour 09,10,11...
Its about his stats now,so he should get 77. He can get 3rd place with that and good TT. |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 21-05-2013 18:03
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admirschleck wrote:
Jesleyh wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Or movers down, ... and Gesink.
Greatest sentence in this thread ever!
No, that is 'Kelderman needs a big boost'.
Unfortunately, that's only said by me, ever
But yeah, Gesink can take a MO & HI drop. Not too big though, remember Vuelta 2012
Schleck should get 82, remember Tour 09,10,11...
Its about his stats now,so he should get 77. He can get 3rd place with that and good TT.
78MO/76HI/74TT would be correct for me.
And Vuelta 2012 is the last GT ridden, normally, the last GT ridden should give a good image of how good the stage-racers are. That's completely different of case Schleck, IMO. 78 MO would thus fit for me(I also lowered his HI, which could take a small drop anyway, and TT here )
Await how his last week goes to make a decision(for me, though, of course, I'm not the stat maker) whether it should even go to 77 MO.
And he can get 3rd place with that?
Nah, no. I get what you mean with fatique being messed up sometimes riding Vuelta, but realistically, he can't get 3rd, maybe 8th with 77MO.
Edited by Jesleyh on 21-05-2013 18:04
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| fickman |
Posted on 21-05-2013 18:37
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In PCM even in extreme its not imposible to win Vuelta with a rider with 77 MO. I won one time Vuelta with Costa with 77 MO. Even 75 is more than anough to get a poor 6th place at Vuelta.
77 MO is more than enough for Gesink who is doing horrible in the Mountains so far and loses minutes everytime in the street go up, u cant give a 78 MO to a guy who was third before the Mounatins started and has lost more than 5 Minutes in the Mountains and is now 12 in the GC.
But Giro isnt over jet and he still have the opportunity to do better or keep doing bad.
Edited by fickman on 21-05-2013 18:43
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 21-05-2013 18:40
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Jesleyh wrote:
And he can get 3rd place with that?
Nah, no. I get what you mean with fatique being messed up sometimes riding Vuelta, but realistically, he can't get 3rd, maybe 8th with 77MO.
I've had 77's win the Vuelta loads, even Cobo and Kloeden with 76's and even a 75 (but he was a beast on hills and tt's)
Admitedly it is a lot harder now but its doable. Hell i've seen 77's win Le Tour and the Giro
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 21-05-2013 18:43
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Jesleyh wrote:
And he can get 3rd place with that?
Nah, no. I get what you mean with fatique being messed up sometimes riding Vuelta, but realistically, he can't get 3rd, maybe 8th with 77MO.
I've had 77's win the Vuelta loads, even Cobo and Kloeden with 76's and even a 75 (but he was a beast on hills and tt's)
Admitedly it is a lot harder now but its doable. Hell i've seen 77's win Le Tour and the Giro
Yes, but that's not because of skills, that's about game messed up.
But alright, we wait for the rest of the Giro for now.
Spoiler Btw, is it already time to bring up Kelderman's PRL, FTR & (less important) RES & REC stat, or should I go back to my Kelderman cave and come back when he takes another nice result? 
Edited by Jesleyh on 21-05-2013 18:45
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 21-05-2013 18:45
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I'd don't like debating specific stats, but at the moment Gesink will have max MO stat of 77. He needs a miraculous third week for me to reconsider.
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