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Armstrong stops fighting doping charges - USADA wants him banned and stripped for titles
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| cio93 |
Posted on 18-01-2013 13:28
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
“@LeGrove: Lance Armstrong being exonerated for cheating because of his charity feels like Hitler being given credit for straight motorways.”
https://www.mercat...phenomenon
(search for "motorway" in that article)
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 18-01-2013 14:30
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Andy shows his intelligence once again...
"Finally, Armstrong told in the interview that after his comeback he no longer used doping. The biological passport and the out-of-competition controls have indeed changed cycling.”
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 18-01-2013 14:42
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cosmic wrote:
Interview was kinda expected really. A lot are complaining he didn't give up names, which to some extent I think is ok given that it's a talkshow. If he comes straight with USADA regarding details and names I'll be happy. A talkshow might not be the ideal place to reveal that.
If he was doped in 09 and 10 I don't know, but I'll buy that he wasn't. After all, he's admitted to a decade of doping. What would he hope to gain from denying doping those 2 years? It just wouldn't make any sense at all to lie about that when having just admitted to everything else.
He can still be legally prosecuted for that, because it isn't longer than 3 years ago. So I've heard. |
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| fickman |
Posted on 18-01-2013 15:19
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cactus-jack wrote:
Is it just me or have people actually voted "no" after the interview or have I just not been paying attention?
I notice that too. What king of moron still thinks he didnt dope??? |
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| Metriz- |
Posted on 18-01-2013 15:41
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
Andy shows his intelligence once again...
"Finally, Armstrong told in the interview that after his comeback he no longer used doping. The biological passport and the out-of-competition controls have indeed changed cycling.”
Andy might be a an idiot, but that quote has nothing to do with that. It's in Andy's best interest that people think he's clean, so i don't see why he shouln't say cycling is clean now. |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 18-01-2013 15:43
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I was referring to the fact that he seems to believe that Armstrong was clean after returning.
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| Metriz- |
Posted on 18-01-2013 15:45
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
I was referring to the fact that he seems to believe that Armstrong was clean after returning.
I'm pretty sure he is well aware that Armstrong was using drugs, but why would he give that away? He would get in as much trouble as Armstrong if he told the truth. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 18-01-2013 15:48
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Ok seriously! Who is voting no!!!
Own up! Come on, we just want to know why 
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| 9-Ball |
Posted on 18-01-2013 15:56
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Aww shucks, I'm caught! I voted 'no' 114 times. Jseadog is the other one. We confess. 
I'm back, apparently.
Interesting interview from a human psychology study point of view - not so much from the cycling history/clean house point of view. He acted about true to form, in terms of defense of his ever shrinking realm. I believe he'd have somewhere more significant to fall before taking the others with him.
It was eleven more than necessary.
Jacques Anquetil
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| Neilstrong |
Posted on 18-01-2013 16:03
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I voted "no" just to mess with you guys... |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 18-01-2013 16:10
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Ian Butler wrote:
cosmic wrote:
Interview was kinda expected really. A lot are complaining he didn't give up names, which to some extent I think is ok given that it's a talkshow. If he comes straight with USADA regarding details and names I'll be happy. A talkshow might not be the ideal place to reveal that.
If he was doped in 09 and 10 I don't know, but I'll buy that he wasn't. After all, he's admitted to a decade of doping. What would he hope to gain from denying doping those 2 years? It just wouldn't make any sense at all to lie about that when having just admitted to everything else.
He can still be legally prosecuted for that, because it isn't longer than 3 years ago. So I've heard.
Take it the other way. He claim he didn't dope since 2005 and is looking for a sentence reduced from life time ban to an 8 years ban. Do the math, if authorities buy that he's free to race again in any sport from Summer this year.
Oh, and why believe Armstrong over USADA and blood passport evidence. One has it he doped at least in 2009, the other claim he didn't. Who'd you rather believe ? |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 18-01-2013 16:15
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There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 18-01-2013 22:52
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Lance is a liar and a loser. He doped and threatened. But he won a few TDFs. Tons of dopers have never had their results taken away, why is he different because he is so famous?
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| cosmic |
Posted on 18-01-2013 22:58
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Aquarius wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
cosmic wrote:
Interview was kinda expected really. A lot are complaining he didn't give up names, which to some extent I think is ok given that it's a talkshow. If he comes straight with USADA regarding details and names I'll be happy. A talkshow might not be the ideal place to reveal that.
If he was doped in 09 and 10 I don't know, but I'll buy that he wasn't. After all, he's admitted to a decade of doping. What would he hope to gain from denying doping those 2 years? It just wouldn't make any sense at all to lie about that when having just admitted to everything else.
He can still be legally prosecuted for that, because it isn't longer than 3 years ago. So I've heard.
Take it the other way. He claim he didn't dope since 2005 and is looking for a sentence reduced from life time ban to an 8 years ban. Do the math, if authorities buy that he's free to race again in any sport from Summer this year.
Oh, and why believe Armstrong over USADA and blood passport evidence. One has it he doped at least in 2009, the other claim he didn't. Who'd you rather believe ?
I recon the alleged blackmailing/pressuring of team mates to dope will be more than sufficient to maintain a life long ban from all sports. Not to mention lying under oath and the extensive harassment of those that came forth with their stories. Doped in 2009/10 or not matters very little in the big scheme of things. If he's gonna get a reduced sentence it will most likely be because he brings down everyone involved, perhaps (and hopefully) including some of the scum in UCI. |
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 18-01-2013 23:04
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Lance is a liar and a loser. He doped and threatened. But he won a few TDFs. Tons of dopers have never had their results taken away, why is he different because he is so famous?
Dopers who are at some point found guilty of doping usually have their results taken away. Lance has been guilty of doping, so he has had had results taken away.
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 18-01-2013 23:08
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I see the "Fine, Lance doped, but why isn't everyone getting the same treatment" as the last defence of the Lance-supporters.
You can't defend Armstrong by calling him clean anymore, all you have left is to try to put the perspective on someone else.
PS: I am not trying to single out anyone special. This is a general assumption.
PPS: I agree in the sence that everyone should be punished for their crimes, but would you have been this up in arms if it had been someone else than Armstrong?
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 18-01-2013 23:16
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The fact Armstrong doped is just another doping story but whats different the way he done it, the way he bullied people and the way he tortured, dictated and controlled so many peoples lives and made them scared of him. I am referring to Emma O'Reilly and Frankie Andreu's wife.
https://uk.eurospo...59300.html
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 18-01-2013 23:22
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cactus-jack wrote:
I see the "Fine, Lance doped, but why isn't everyone getting the same treatment" as the last defence of the Lance-supporters.
You can't defend Armstrong by calling him clean anymore, all you have left is to try to put the perspective on someone else.
PS: I am not trying to single out anyone special. This is a general assumption.
PPS: I agree in the sence that everyone should be punished for their crimes, but would you have been this up in arms if it had been someone else than Armstrong?
Well they I don't see the difference between two cheaters.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 18-01-2013 23:22
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Lance is a liar and a loser. He doped and threatened. But he won a few TDFs. Tons of dopers have never had their results taken away, why is he different because he is so famous?
Nope.
Even though his main opponents (who almost all got caught), probably doped or have been doping all their career long, those who got caught were caught on one occasion. It's not proven (even though it's probable) that they've been doping all along, so they got stripped of their results in races where a positive test occurred, and possibly got other results cancelled in case of retroactive suspensions.
Armstrong doping all his career long since his come back has been proven as well (there's a legal decision about it), which is why all his results since 1998 have been cancelled.
You can compare his pre-1998 career to those of his opponents : even though he was already doping he kept all his results. |
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| pcm2009fan |
Posted on 18-01-2013 23:22
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I wouldn't give a hoot if Armstrong doped or not, at least nowadays. But the way in which he bullied, harassed and exploited others is horrid.
But at the same time, I think that it's more a story of a man, his ambition, and ultimately his flaws, so I won't hold so much of a grudge against the man without meeting him personally.
Edited by pcm2009fan on 18-01-2013 23:30
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