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| OlegTinkov |
Posted on 28-12-2016 18:32
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Very good ride from the Tinkoff boys, following the GC-fight is going to be awesome this Tour! Thanks roturn for all the reports so far.
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| jt1109 |
Posted on 28-12-2016 22:15
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Another day in yellow is fantastic and what a TTT by the boys staying with Phinney all the way and all bagging themselves some points to go with it.
Quick note 54 TT Pantano managed to stay with the team to the finish I'm assuming he didn't take a turn but still weird |
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 29-12-2016 03:43
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That was a surpringsly good performance, although Panayotov finishing with the pack makes me worried we'll see Aker's scenario again. Another day in the KOM and an over performance (LLS is still involved in the top 20 GC!  ) is great. Thanks roturn (Somehow I almost wrote Shonak again ) and Gratz SotD!
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| SotD |
Posted on 29-12-2016 08:16
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jt1109 wrote:
Another day in yellow is fantastic and what a TTT by the boys staying with Phinney all the way and all bagging themselves some points to go with it.
Quick note 54 TT Pantano managed to stay with the team to the finish I'm assuming he didn't take a turn but still weird
Yeah I was quite surprised to see Pantano there aswell, while I dropped riders like Vlatos and Bernaudeau, but I suspect it wasn't all that difficult to keep up for a period of time if you weren't relaying. I think Bernaudeau lost contact as the first rider after a relay, having Vlatos behind him (Bernaudeau was injured), hence Vlatos couldn't get back up. Bouet lost contact right at the end where he probably had a relay, before Coppel powering away in the end. Atleast that is what I get from the screenshot at the 1km point.
Congrats on keeping the jersey, it's really exciting to see if he can keep it, like he did in the Dauphine, although I suspect that Spilak and Schleck will put up a "better" fight than Madrazo and Taaramae did.
I do expect him to be a pretty difficult contestant for the win though, having already secured the yellow jersey and a good margin to both competitors, while having still a huge TT left, where he could win something like 3-4 minutes. I believe that Spilak needs to be ahead of Schleck and atleast 4 minutes ahead of Phinney before the final TT to have a shot at winning. Schleck always seem to overperform in these timetrials late in the races.
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| ember |
Posted on 29-12-2016 09:55
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Intense racing! Happy to see Breen give it a go in the breakaway, as Kristoff just can't get it right in the final kilometers considering the fight for positions.
Swift is having an amazing Tour by now, congratulations again, roturn! A 19 points gap to Degenkolb in the fight for green could also prove decisive, eventhough one misstep is enough for that to change. Bewley with another disappointing sprint, it seems like he and Vesely really struggles to get it right. After all, the one time they did, he ended up winning. |
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| roturn |
Posted on 29-12-2016 10:01
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Nice sprints by Swift. Really delivering here how I had hoped in transfer seasons.
In especially after his early struggle in Qatar it's nice to see him still doing it despite other trainings.
Keizer also in the mix is promising. |
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 29-12-2016 10:12
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Vantomme's pretty much given up on the race now, it makes no sense, Panayotov crashing too isn't great. 
At least Stachowiak takes the KOM points to defend Bernas' lead and LLS defending his strangely good GC is good. 
Thanks again Roturn and congrats on the hat trick, Swift is at home here!
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| jt1109 |
Posted on 29-12-2016 10:51
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SotD wrote:
jt1109 wrote:
Another day in yellow is fantastic and what a TTT by the boys staying with Phinney all the way and all bagging themselves some points to go with it.
Quick note 54 TT Pantano managed to stay with the team to the finish I'm assuming he didn't take a turn but still weird
Yeah I was quite surprised to see Pantano there aswell, while I dropped riders like Vlatos and Bernaudeau, but I suspect it wasn't all that difficult to keep up for a period of time if you weren't relaying. I think Bernaudeau lost contact as the first rider after a relay, having Vlatos behind him (Bernaudeau was injured), hence Vlatos couldn't get back up. Bouet lost contact right at the end where he probably had a relay, before Coppel powering away in the end. Atleast that is what I get from the screenshot at the 1km point.
Congrats on keeping the jersey, it's really exciting to see if he can keep it, like he did in the Dauphine, although I suspect that Spilak and Schleck will put up a "better" fight than Madrazo and Taaramae did.
I do expect him to be a pretty difficult contestant for the win though, having already secured the yellow jersey and a good margin to both competitors, while having still a huge TT left, where he could win something like 3-4 minutes. I believe that Spilak needs to be ahead of Schleck and atleast 4 minutes ahead of Phinney before the final TT to have a shot at winning. Schleck always seem to overperform in these timetrials late in the races.
Yeah it's very possible but weird to think how these TTT work when a 54 rider can still be there at the end, makes you wonder if it's better to have 2-3 strong TT and 5 weak ones as they would all sit on the back and quite possibly make the end
With Phinney he's done well all season on stages with just the one mountain at the end so the big stages for him are the hard ones where he will need to climb Alpe d'Huez twice I can see Schleck putting 2 mins into him there same for Spilak whereas Madrazo put 3 mins into him at one point in the dauphine so I can't see Schleck and Spilak not doing the same.
Then there's the TT and I have no idea what's going to happen id say Phinney will get 1:30 on Spilak / Schleck so anything above that I'd say the odds go in the favour
So it's just a case of waiting and taking it day by day the longer Phinney leads the more desperate it gets for Spilak and Schleck |
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| SotD |
Posted on 29-12-2016 13:49
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I guess Coppel didn't want more points now. That's OK, as he already scored a good amount, but those 10 extra today were for free... Atleast we only lost 5 when looking at it the real way, as Lecuisinier just stepped up a place to take 5 more than he would have done elseway. Atleast Sam Bewley didn't win to overtake him aswell...
König, Barguil, Kruijswijk, Kolesnikov, Kangert, Nerz, Quintana, Aru, Grmay, Nesset, Kunshin, Dees, Koch, Pantano, Stancu, Panayotov, Kennaugh, Warbasse and probably more interesting names all lost time, which I suppose is good for Lecuisinier, Novak and Vasyliv in the end, but it also makes things more complicated to control I suspect.
Novak moving to 16th and Vasyliv to 4th in the U25 competition is nice for now. Next stage will be VERY defining in terms of the overall GC I suspect.
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| SotD |
Posted on 29-12-2016 14:14
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jt1109 wrote:
Yeah it's very possible but weird to think how these TTT work when a 54 rider can still be there at the end, makes you wonder if it's better to have 2-3 strong TT and 5 weak ones as they would all sit on the back and quite possibly make the end
With Phinney he's done well all season on stages with just the one mountain at the end so the big stages for him are the hard ones where he will need to climb Alpe d'Huez twice I can see Schleck putting 2 mins into him there same for Spilak whereas Madrazo put 3 mins into him at one point in the dauphine so I can't see Schleck and Spilak not doing the same.
Then there's the TT and I have no idea what's going to happen id say Phinney will get 1:30 on Spilak / Schleck so anything above that I'd say the odds go in the favour
So it's just a case of waiting and taking it day by day the longer Phinney leads the more desperate it gets for Spilak and Schleck
Yeah the TTT's seem a bit off, odd or whatever we have to put on it. Koretzky wasn't able to follow in the Vuelta al PaÃs Vasco where we won, and he was our leader, so it's not necessarily easy to keep up, but this one wasn't so long.
I would be highly surprised to see Spilak lose as little as 1:30 on the long TT seeing how much he lost on the prologue and how Phinney destroyed the pack in the, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Phinney keep up with the two on most mountain stages like Gesink did to Pluchkin. It was only towards the end, where he didn't need to follow that Pluchkin got away...
I can only hope that Spilak can take enough time on the next stage to take yellow, so we have to work instead of you
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 29-12-2016 15:25
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Not getting a whole lot of Christmas gifts in this race. Sicard misses out in a split and loses a considerable amount of time, crashes in the next stage - and Quintana has been down too and might be injured.
Really not Orange's season, this one, although someone's presidential win did make me think it'd be a good year for the orange-coloured 
By the way - thanks for the concern, SotD. I accept as much pity as I can - I might cheer for you now
On a general note, it's been an intense race so far. Shaping up to be a memorable one. |
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| SotD |
Posted on 29-12-2016 15:46
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Just checked up on the points. Aegon and us keeps moving ahead of eachother for that 7th place
Everytime Aegon have a pretty dull stage we move ahead, and then *WHAM* Swift takes another stagewin
20 points or so are you ahead, Roturn. But now your time has come! Lay down, and give up! Puma, we are coming for you aswell!
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| Roman |
Posted on 29-12-2016 20:48
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All this effort for dropping our GC leader and bad result for Bewley. Hopefully he is not injured...
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| beagle |
Posted on 29-12-2016 21:37
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And another 2nd only
Congrats, roturn.
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| roturn |
Posted on 30-12-2016 08:33
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The sprints were a lot better...thanks for the congratulations.
Even Bewley is a better GC rider than Keizer. Wrong day for a -5 day...Abal in first group as similar rider shows it best. Had to happen on one hilly day but this was worse than hoped/expected.
Luckily Swift made up for it. So still very happy. |
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| roturn |
Posted on 30-12-2016 08:34
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@SotD...your Team too strong for an attack it seems. Not that lucky as Spilak should have followed the winning move. |
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| SotD |
Posted on 30-12-2016 08:39
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Absolutely pathetic effort from Spilak not to attack. He is handing over the GC to Phinney and Schleck. Also a shit performance from Lecuisinier to lose time on riders like Goos, Karnulin, Abal, Barguil and so on. Coppel were nowhere to be seen and threw 6'17 having 76HI, that really is not good enough. Novak even worse, but atleast he worked for it.
So losing the Team clasification, losing a spot in the GC, losing the U25 jersey makes this the worst stage of the entire race for us, easily. Despite Spilak getting 3rd which on a normal occassion would have been enough. Gaining NOTHING on Schleck and the others are just hopeless. We definately won't win the Tour de France, and the 2000 point mark is out of the question.
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| roturn |
Posted on 30-12-2016 08:50
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Coppel and Lecuisinier both worked. Hence there time loss. |
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| ember |
Posted on 30-12-2016 09:25
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Great to see Nesset aggressive, eventhough it was on a stage that doesn't suit him at all. But a very nice sign considering the mountains are yet to come.
Bakelants in the GC lead and Ponzi climbing upwards as well, taking advantage of the hilly stage, could be interesting for the GC. Bouygues will need to get their tactics right in the mountains, as Bakelants must fancy trying to do something similar to what Van Garderen did in the Vuelta.
For Spilak, I do think roturn is right. I-Gen Festina is too strong to allow Spilak earlyish attacks on such stages, meaning he relies on his team mates. And suspecting Schleck will do his thing in the third week, it must certainly be worrying for SotD. Though, this will come down to the mountains, where a bad day for any of the top favourites will mean a disaster seeing how close it is now.
Thank you for the report, roturn! |
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| SotD |
Posted on 30-12-2016 09:49
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My team might be too strong, but is it all that stronger than what Gesink had in the Vuelta?
Brambilla, Majka, Ruijgh, Stancu, Castroviejo, Sinkeldam and van der Velde are similar to what I have, if not better. I have Lecuisinier who is better, but besides that I think this setup is stronger. And Gesink didn't have any problems attacking on hilly stages. And he have 68ACC and 72FIG, where Spilak have 74ACC and 71FIG. So I can't really see why it should be possible in the Vuelta while not at all in the Tour.
I can only hope that Lecuisinier can neutrilize Schleck the same way Brambilla did with Pluchkin, but I suspect what will happen instead is that Schleck will attack and Spilak will sit in the wheel of Lecuisinier and hope for him to reel him back, while Schleck just takes more and more time.
Oh well... It's not because I spent too many captains racedays on this race, for the AI to fuck it up.
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