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Stats.. What do they mean?
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| Mithrillian |
Posted on 01-09-2012 16:12
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Maybe I could've found it if I searched for a few hours, but is there any basic guide for PCM explaining what exactly is the effect of every single stat? (MO, COB etc.) |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 01-09-2012 16:14
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| Mithrillian |
Posted on 01-09-2012 16:15
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
Attached.
That must've been a world record. What a fast answer lol.
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 01-09-2012 16:22
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The thing I love about PCM is that no other game requires a guide where the sentence "Acceleration does not mean acceleration" is used.
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| Mithrillian |
Posted on 01-09-2012 16:24
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cactus-jack wrote:
The thing I love about PCM is that no other game requires a guide where the sentence "Acceleration does not mean acceleration" is used.
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| Bosskardo |
Posted on 01-09-2012 20:00
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So, should Basso (and Wiggins) have high ACC and low (not too low but lower than attacking climbers) RES? And should Rodriques have lower ACC?
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| Lachi |
Posted on 01-09-2012 20:10
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This is not the stat discussion thread.
There are many threads where you can discuss the stats, you might want to go there. Especially since the stats are different in every DB. |
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| Rauling |
Posted on 01-09-2012 20:14
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Lachi wrote:
This is not the stat discussion thread.
There are many threads where you can discuss the stats, you might want to go there. Especially since the stats are different in every DB.
Bosskardo actually raises a question that can be used in the discussion about "Stats.. What do they mean?". Yes, he asks about stats for the riders but he asks because he doesn't know how the acc. stat works.
Furthermore, I have thought the same thoughts as Bosskardo
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 01-09-2012 20:19
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I'd actually have it the other way around. ACC is for the red bar; give Wiggins/Basso a high ACC, higher than the other climbers, and you'll see them attacking for a longer time than the others. Since attacking is very different from keeping a constant pace for the whole climb, I find it unrealistic. Giving them a low ACC isn't going to stop them attacking, but it's going to stop their attacks being successful at least.
RodrÃguez should have a very high ACC, because he's able to face those brutal climbs and have the legs to sprint after them, etc - he can manage his "red bar" (short and very high intensity effort) better/for a longer time than the others.
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| Lachi |
Posted on 01-09-2012 20:28
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Maybe I misunderstood but the word "lower" lead me to believe, that he does not agree with the ACC stats of a certain DB.
And apparently the guide is not enough to explain the meaning of the stats.
Edited by Lachi on 01-09-2012 20:30
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| Rauling |
Posted on 01-09-2012 20:31
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lluuiiggii wrote:
I'd actually have it the other way around. ACC is for the red bar; give Wiggins/Basso a high ACC, higher than the other climbers, and you'll see them attacking for a longer time than the others. Since attacking is very different from keeping a constant pace for the whole climb, I find it unrealistic. Giving them a low ACC isn't going to stop them attacking, but it's going to stop their attacks being successful at least.
RodrÃguez should have a very high ACC, because he's able to face those brutal climbs and have the legs to sprint after them, etc - he can manage his "red bar" (short and very high intensity effort) better/for a longer time than the others.
Well, I think it is difficult to manage an acceptable result when talking about guys like Basso and Wiggins because, as you say, "attacking is very different from keeping a constant pace for the whole climb". It will take some effort to test but I think it would be worth it.
Edited by Rauling on 01-09-2012 20:34
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| Mithrillian |
Posted on 01-09-2012 21:11
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Something else regarding stats, which training programs train which skills? (talkng about sprint, northern classics and stuff)
Edited by Mithrillian on 01-09-2012 21:12
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| Lachi |
Posted on 01-09-2012 21:16
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There are about 100 threads about that question, this beeing the latest one as far as I know: https://pcmdaily.c...d_id=24660
Edited by Lachi on 01-09-2012 21:17
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| issoisso |
Posted on 01-09-2012 21:20
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lluuiiggii wrote:
I'd actually have it the other way around. ACC is for the red bar; give Wiggins/Basso a high ACC, higher than the other climbers, and you'll see them attacking for a longer time than the others. Since attacking is very different from keeping a constant pace for the whole climb, I find it unrealistic. Giving them a low ACC isn't going to stop them attacking, but it's going to stop their attacks being successful at least.
RodrÃguez should have a very high ACC, because he's able to face those brutal climbs and have the legs to sprint after them, etc - he can manage his "red bar" (short and very high intensity effort) better/for a longer time than the others.
Agreed.
Also, there's something missing from the guide.
Acceleration gives a small boost to your climbing on gradients above a certain threshold (no idea what it is now. started at 5% but they've changed it over the last 5 years), and TT gives the same boost for inclines under that threshold
The Fighter stat in previous PCMs also increased your chance of a "green moment". Not sure what they did about that in this verison
(Note: the above was told to me directly by a cyanide programmer in the beta test forum)
EDIT: Oh, another effect, among GC favorites in mountains: High ACC stat = more likely to attack or counter-attack
High TT stat = more likely to set a very high pace without attacking (usually in response to attacks)
Edited by issoisso on 01-09-2012 21:27
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| Mithrillian |
Posted on 01-09-2012 21:29
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Thank you very much Lachi. |
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 01-09-2012 21:37
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issoisso wrote:
EDIT: Oh, another effect, among GC favorites in mountains: High ACC stat = more likely to attack or counter-attack
High TT stat = more likely to set a very high pace without attacking (usually in response to attacks)
Ah, so the AI does play with their tactics a bit depending on the riders stats? Now that's interesting to know. Honestly, I've never seen in the game, but I guess I don't pay much attention/don't play enough 
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| Mithrillian |
Posted on 01-09-2012 21:40
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I do have a feeling indeed that Wiggins didn't respond to other GCs attacks as others did. |
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| Mithrillian |
Posted on 01-09-2012 21:40
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I do have a feeling indeed that Wiggins didn't respond to other GCs attacks as others did. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 01-09-2012 21:41
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I've noticed it a bit. Let's say you're in the decidint stages and you have Evans and RodrÃguez there. Evans will try to make you suffer on his wheel. Purito will wheelsuck, attack, refuse to work, attack, etc.
Some of the stuff that makes you go "F***ing stupid AI" is actually on purpose
Like stop-start attacking.
Of course if the DB stats suck, the behaviour won't be realistic to the rider (Wiggins attacking due to high acceleration)
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| Mithrillian |
Posted on 01-09-2012 21:45
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Sorry for the noob bit off-topic question but Purito? That's Rodriguez right? What's the history behind that? |
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