[PT] Cedevita | Sanremo Result
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redordead |
Posted on 30-07-2024 07:11
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Hello to everyone here and thank you for coming.
Here I am talking to you for a 7th season in the Management Game. These media sessions are certainly a lot easier when we are coming off a successful season. Hopefully we can have a lot more of these in the future.
Last year we had a very busy offseason. We drastically reshaped the team in order to compete in the Pro Tour. And compete we did. To finish 8th in the rankings in our debut season was everything we could have hoped for. Still that doesn't mean we are allowed to rest on our laurels. We have had stability and constant growth for the last 3 years. That is something that is difficult to continue.
We have also reached a point where some of our long term projects are going to require more significant investment. It's a point where our commitment to developing regional riders will be tested. Can we compete at the highest of levels or do we continue to consolidate our position as currently the only Pro Tour team in the Balkan region?
For now we have the full support from our major title sponsor and it goes without saying that all our clothing and equipment sponsors are delighted with the exposure they've gotten.
We plan to hold another press conference after the renewal process. There we will discuss the ins and outs of the team in more detail, as well as answer your questions about the upcoming season.
Bostjan Mervar,
team representative and general manager of Cedevita
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redordead |
Posted on 30-07-2024 07:11
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Year | Team | Nationality | 2nd Nationality | Rank | Team HQ | 2018 | Swisslion | | | CT 4th | HQ | 2019 | Swisslion | | | PCT 18th | HQ | 2020 | Swisslion | | | PCT 19th | HQ | 2021 | Cedevita | | | PCT 8th | HQ | 2022 | Cedevita | | | PCT 4th | HQ | 2023 | Cedevita | | | PT 8th | HQ |
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| | | | Cedevita | Title Sponsor | | | | | Giant Manufacturing | Equipment Sponsor | | | | | Northwave | Clothing Sponsor | | | | | Sijaj | Media Sponsor |
| | | | Bostjan Mervar | General manager | | | | | Martin Hvastija | Directeur Sportif | | | | | Marko Polanc | Directeur Sportif | | | | | Gorazd Stangelj | Directeur Sportif | | | | | Jure Golcer | Coach | | | | | Gregor Gazvoda | Coach | | | | | Tadej Valjavec | Coach |
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Posted on 30-07-2024 07:11
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| FL | MO | HI | TT | ST | RS | RC | CO | SP | AC | FT | DH | PR | XP | Age | Wage | Pogacar | 70 | 82 | 76 | 76 | 79 | 80 | 80 | 51 | 63 | 72 | 69 | 66 | 75 | Max | 26 | 475k | Buitrago | 67 | 78 | 76 | 66 | 70 | 74 | 76 | 60 | 65 | 80 | 76 | 67 | 66 | Max | 25 | 240k | Geoghegan H. | 70 | 79 | 74 | 78 | 76 | 74 | 75 | 62 | 62 | 69 | 70 | 70 | 76 | Max | 29 | 450k | Siric | 78 | 63 | 71 | 65 | 77 | 80 | 69 | 78 | 77 | 71 | 60 | 75 | 65 | Max | 26 | 140k | Lammertink | 74 | 64 | 69 | 80 | 70 | 76 | 70 | 65 | 63 | 68 | 74 | 68 | 79 | Max | 31 | 180k | Habtemichael | 67 | 78 | 74 | 74 | 74 | 73 | 76 | 52 | 59 | 66 | 68 | 69 | 74 | Max | 27 | 140k | Hoelgaard | 72 | 74 | 77 | 65 | 72 | 72 | 72 | 62 | 68 | 74 | 73 | 69 | 65 | Max | 31 | 120k | Rajovic | 72 | 58 | 64 | 59 | 70 | 76 | 70 | 55 | 78 | 82 | 57 | 57 | 62 | Max | 27 | 115k | Borisavljevic * | 68 | 77 | 73 | 74 | 74 | 74 | 75 | 54 | 59 | 65 | 64 | 68 | 74 | Max | 30 | 105k | Power | 67 | 77 | 70 | 66 | 77 | 76 | 79 | 59 | 56 | 63 | 61 | 65 | 65 | Max | 29 | 120k | Ciccone | 67 | 77 | 73 | 71 | 70 | 70 | 73 | 50 | 51 | 69 | 59 | 59 | 79 | Max | 30 | 170k | Christodoulos | 72 | 68 | 68 | 78 | 75 | 69 | 70 | 53 | 53 | 64 | 73 | 65 | 79 | Max | 27 | 70k | Groselj | 78 | 58 | 66 | 77 | 74 | 78 | 71 | 67 | 73 | 72 | 69 | 70 | 79 | Max | 28 | 65k | Penko | 71 | 68 | 71 | 76 | 73 | 74 | 71 | 58 | 65 | 70 | 62 | 71 | 76 | Max | 28 | 50k | Katrasnik | 81 | 61 | 63 | 69 | 72 | 76 | 69 | 63 | 63 | 72 | 81 | 73 | 69 | Max | 29 | 75k | Poljanec | 77 | 67 | 69 | 63 | 70 | 68 | 67 | 73 | 71 | 71 | 69 | 73 | 63 | Max | 29 | 50k | Hocevar * | 67 | 75 | 74 | 62 | 67 | 67 | 68 | 54 | 66 | 75 | 72 | 70 | 63 | 4.62 | 25 | 50k | Duyvesteyn ** | 68 | 68 | 75 | 65 | 67 | 70 | 67 | 60 | 64 | 74 | 73 | 67 | 65 | 4.54 | 26 | 50k | Wright * | 74 | 69 | 71 | 69 | 72 | 73 | 70 | 69 | 71 | 72 | 76 | 67 | 69 | 4.58 | 25 | 50k | Sheehan | 72 | 68 | 72 | 73 | 71 | 72 | 68 | 58 | 66 | 75 | 68 | 68 | 72 | 3.00 | 24 | 235k | Redy ** | 70 | 69 | 73 | 68 | 71 | 70 | 70 | 65 | 69 | 71 | 69 | 66 | 70 | 4.09 | 25 | 50k | Fedorov | 73 | 64 | 71 | 72 | 71 | 69 | 66 | 72 | 70 | 71 | 68 | 69 | 70 | 3.50 | 24 | 150k | Selimovic | 70 | 71 | 69 | 60 | 72 | 75 | 72 | 62 | 65 | 75 | 74 | 71 | 66 | 3.08 | 23 | 70k | Stojnic | 72 | 68 | 69 | 73 | 73 | 76 | 72 | 56 | 67 | 70 | 73 | 65 | 75 | 4.18 | 25 | 65k | Salby ** | 73 | 63 | 65 | 62 | 74 | 75 | 73 | 68 | 73 | 73 | 67 | 71 | 65 | 4.80 | 26 | 50k | Duric | 69 | 60 | 70 | 60 | 72 | 72 | 69 | 72 | 64 | 70 | 66 | 71 | 59 | 3.96 | 24 | 50k | Jarc * | 70 | 63 | 66 | 63 | 68 | 69 | 68 | 69 | 68 | 69 | 72 | 68 | 63 | 2.99 | 25 | 50k | Currie | 71 | 62 | 62 | 74 | 70 | 71 | 68 | 53 | 63 | 70 | 64 | 72 | 72 | 3.35 | 23 | 150k | Bechkov * | 67 | 67 | 64 | 70 | 67 | 67 | 66 | 55 | 63 | 60 | 70 | 66 | 69 | 2.99 | 25 | 50k |
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Posted on 30-07-2024 07:12
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Posted on 30-07-2024 07:15
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Posted on 30-07-2024 08:41
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I am a big fan of your team. Maybe because I have a very soft spot for the Balkans, but I guess all supporters have one such criteria.
The very best of luck in the new season!
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Posted on 31-07-2024 12:49
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Was a hell of a first season in the Pro Tour from your guys, excited to see what the next step is after that success. Such a great squad with talent and depth coming out of your ears, so the next step forward could be anything And as always looking forward to one of the consistently quality HQs around
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Posted on 01-08-2024 10:21
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An amazing first season in PT, congratulations on the incredible teambuilding. Looking forward to see how your guys will do this season, and how you keep improving the quantity and quality of Balkan riders in the DB
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Posted on 01-08-2024 13:10
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Still loving the team & the management!
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AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 02-08-2024 07:59
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Looking forward to see how you adapt to life in the next PT season. Already at the end of last season, how great of a season I thought you had in the promotion year
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redordead |
Posted on 06-08-2024 08:40
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DarkWolf wrote:
I am a big fan of your team. Maybe because I have a very soft spot for the Balkans, but I guess all supporters have one such criteria.
The very best of luck in the new season!
Thanks! I'm a fan of your team also!
Hopefully all my luck hasn't run out yet
jandal7 wrote:
Was a hell of a first season in the Pro Tour from your guys, excited to see what the next step is after that success. Such a great squad with talent and depth coming out of your ears, so the next step forward could be anything And as always looking forward to one of the consistently quality HQs around
I guess I did a bad job imitating Xero in PT
The talent is getting older now, but I'll try to keep developing them
Nemolito wrote:
An amazing first season in PT, congratulations on the incredible teambuilding. Looking forward to see how your guys will do this season, and how you keep improving the quantity and quality of Balkan riders in the DB
Thanks! The latter will probably be rough, but you know I'll try something
I'm not motivated or too lazy to change anything!
AbhishekLFC wrote:
Looking forward to see how you adapt to life in the next PT season. Already at the end of last season, how great of a season I thought you had in the promotion year
In terms of performance, I think we might have peaked this last season. Hopefully we don't fall off the cliff now.
"I am a cyclist, I may not be the best, but that is what I strive to be. I may never get there, but I will never quit trying." - Tadej Pogačar
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Posted on 07-08-2024 06:53
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Pre-Transfers Press Conference
Good day to everyone!
We are pleased to announce which riders have renewed their contract with the team. The time spent negotiating new contracts is always one of the most anxious parts of the year. Suffice to say I think we mostly have good news. All our important riders are back, in fact only one rider did not renew his contract. Feel free to pose any questions regarding our current situation and the upcoming transfer season.
With that I present the current Cedevita squad and open the floor up for questions.
| 2023 Wage | 2024 Wage | Change | Tadej Pogacar | 485,000 € | 475,000 € | -10,000 € | Santiago Buitrago | 95,000 € | 240,000 € | 145,000 € | Tao Geoghegan Hart | 700,000 € | 450,000 € | -250,000 € | Sondre Holst Enger | 275,000 € | 250,000 € | -25,000 € | Steven Lammertink | 160,000 € | 180,000 € | 20,000 € | Ivan Siric | 135,000 € | 140,000 € | 5,000 € | Daniel Habtemichael | 135,000 € | 140,000 € | 5,000 € | David Gaudu | 120,000 € | 120,000 € | - | Dusan Rajovic | 140,000 € | 115,000 € | -25,000 € | Damien Howson | 105,000 € | 140,000 € | 35,000 € | Milos Borisavljevic | 105,000 € | 105,000 € | - | Matevz Govekar | 55,000 € | 105,000 € | 50,000 € | Geoffrey Bouchard | 110,000 € | 100,000 € | -10,000 € | Lawson Craddock | 90,000 € | 95,000 € | 5,000 € | Jernej Svab | 105,000 € | 0 € | -105,000 € | Giorgi Nareklishvili | 130,000 € | 80,000 € | -50,000 € | Michael Christodoulos | 85,000 € | 70,000 € | -15,000 € | Matic Groselj | 65,000 € | 65,000 € | - | Izidor Penko | 55,000 € | 50,000 € | -5,000 € | Miha Poljanec | 50,000 € | 50,000 € | - | Aleksa Crncevic | 60,000 € | 50,000 € | -10,000 € | Kristjan Hocevar | 50,000 € | 50,000 € | - | Fred Wright | 50,000 € | 50,000 € | - | Husein Selimovic | 85,000 € | 70,000 € | -15,000 € | Veljko Stojnic | 50,000 € | 65,000 € | 15,000 € | Dorde Duric | 50,000 € | 50,000 € | - | Aljaz Jarc | 50,000 € | 50,000 € | - | Aleks Bechkov | 50,000 € | 50,000 € | - | | | Total profit: | 240,000 € |
Q: Geoghegan Hart is back on a reduced contract. How happy are you to have him back on what must have been one of the most negotiations?
Mervar: We actually didn't have any problems agreeing to a new contract. And you are absolutely right! We're delighted he's back with us, as it's no secret what an important member of the team he is. We would have been in big trouble if we didn't retain him.
Q: The other significant change in wages is with Santiago Buitrago going in the opposite direction. With that and the time spent developing him surely now is the time when you start looking for a return in that investment?
Mervar: If he stays with us, then yes. You never know what could happen. But if he stays then we have a role in mind for Santiago and we also see a long term future with him in the team.
Q: After selling Ardila last year, can you really afford to let go another good young rider?
Mervar: It's not something we're actively pushing for, nor did we do that last year. But we have to be pragmatic about the situation and keep all our options open.
Q: You were very active during transfers last year, both with buying and selling riders. Do you anticipate another window with a lot of transactions?
Mervar: Any deal we make is one that is aimed at improving the team now or in the future. So from that perspective we would like to make as many deals as possible that can improve us. Of course not every transaction always pans out how you anticipate. As long as it makes sense for us we will be active.
Q: What will your policy be on acquiring and developing more young riders, especially the higher rated ones? The cupboard isn't exactly bare, but there isn't anyone that stands out.
Mervar: I think it's something we do have to look at. Young riders have almost become a part of our DNA and we are always looking to find value in the market. Young riders could fit the bill.
Q: The team finished higher in the ranking than most people expected last season. What are you aiming for this coming season?
Mervar: We always aim to avoid relegation, that is first and foremost on the agenda every year. It sounds boring, but that's how it is. After we feel secure in our position we try to finish as high as possible.
Q: Would you have done anything differently?
Mervar: Seen from the past, the future is always a series of coincidences. Seen from the future, the past always looks like it was inevitable. For the present, we just have to trust in our own choices. In short, it's not something I think about.
Rider | Level | Age | Pot | OVL | Wage | Availability | Tadej Pogacar | 4.100 | 26 | 6 | 78.72 | 475k | | Santiago Buitrago | 4.100 | 25 | 5 | 77.17 | 240k | ••• | Tao Geoghegan Hart | 4.100 | 29 | 5 | 77.14 | 450k | | Sondre Holst Enger | 4.100 | 31 | 6 | 76.78 | 250k | •••• | Steven Lammertink | 4.100 | 31 | 4 | 76.30 | 180k | ••• | Ivan Siric | 4.100 | 26 | 6 | 76.03 | 140k | | Daniel Habtemichael | 4.100 | 27 | 4 | 75.92 | 140k | ••• | David Gaudu | 4.100 | 28 | 5 | 75.63 | 120k | •••• | Dusan Rajovic | 4.100 | 27 | 3 | 75.50 | 115k | ••• | Damien Howson | 4.100 | 32 | 5 | 75.28 | 140k | ••••• | Milos Borisavljevic | 4.100 | 30 | 6 | 75.22 | 105k | ••• | Matevz Govekar | 4.73 | 24 | 5 | 75.19 | 105k | •••• | Geoffrey Bouchard | 4.100 | 32 | 4 | 75.17 | 100k | ••••• | Lawson Craddock | 4.100 | 32 | 6 | 75.01 | 95k | ••••• | Giorgi Nareklishvili | 4.100 | 31 | 4 | 74.69 | 80k | •••• | Michael Christodoulos | 4.100 | 27 | 5 | 74.45 | 70k | ••• | Matic Groselj | 4.100 | 28 | 4 | 74.08 | 65k | • | Izidor Penko | 4.100 | 28 | 5 | 73.98 | 50k | • | Miha Poljanec | 4.100 | 29 | 2 | 73.70 | 50k | • | Aleksa Crncevic | 4.100 | 28 | 4 | 73.68 | 50k | •• | Kristjan Hocevar | 4.62 | 25 | 5 | 73.40 | 50k | ••• | Fred Wright | 4.58 | 25 | 4 | 72.81 | 50k | •• | Husein Selimovic | 3.08 | 23 | 3 | 71.89 | 70k | • | Veljko Stojnic | 4.18 | 25 | 4 | 71.58 | 65k | • | Dorde Duric | 3.96 | 24 | 2 | 70.73 | 50k | •• | Aljaz Jarc | 2.99 | 25 | 4 | 69.85 | 50k | •• | Aleks Bechkov | 2.99 | 25 | 3 | 67.71 | 50k | •• |
• looking to keep | ••• open to offers | ••••• looking to sell
This is just a preliminary list of availability. More in depth information about our transfers as well as loans will be posted before transfer season starts in the adverts.
Bostjan Mervar,
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Fabianski |
Posted on 07-08-2024 08:06
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Wow, looks like you did an awesome job during negotiations
All of Pog, Enger and Rajovic taking a pay cut despite some pretty good success looks surprising to me - guess it's the last pay cut Pog agrees to
Tao's lower wage was fully expected given how high you had to go for him in FA - I'm rather a bit unhappy that he isn't for sale We might still talk, though, as almost always during transfers (without getting a deal, usually )
And I guess one certain manager will be very happy about the three dots next to your Cypriot
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redordead |
Posted on 08-08-2024 11:03
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Fabianski wrote:
Wow, looks like you did an awesome job during negotiations
All of Pog, Enger and Rajovic taking a pay cut despite some pretty good success looks surprising to me - guess it's the last pay cut Pog agrees to
Tao's lower wage was fully expected given how high you had to go for him in FA - I'm rather a bit unhappy that he isn't for sale We might still talk, though, as almost always during transfers (without getting a deal, usually )
And I guess one certain manager will be very happy about the three dots next to your Cypriot
Did I? I think it's just okay, nothing to complain or write home about. Pogi taking 10k less is pretty negligible. Enger was probably still overpaid and Rajovic didn't have a good season.
You'll need to wait at least one more season for Tao, but regardless I'm happy to talk about others
"I am a cyclist, I may not be the best, but that is what I strive to be. I may never get there, but I will never quit trying." - Tadej Pogačar
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kandesbunzler26 |
Posted on 08-08-2024 20:48
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I'd second you that your renewals went okay, maybe even good. But especially in this 100k-150k area it probably doesn't matter this much anyway as it seems you'll try to get rid of most of those riders
But I think your main leaders are good enough for staying in PT already and still young enough to give you some options to spend your money on.
I'm pretty sure I'll hear from you this transfers
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Posted on 09-08-2024 04:44
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That roster looks very bloated, but I appreciate the loyalty to local talent. Plenty of wages freed up for a nice big upgrade to the roster to start climbing up the ranks (and sale of Buitrago). Ay, that's pretty good
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redordead |
Posted on 12-08-2024 09:03
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You mean you're ready for any of my potentially annoying PMs?
"I am a cyclist, I may not be the best, but that is what I strive to be. I may never get there, but I will never quit trying." - Tadej Pogačar
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jandal7 |
Posted on 12-08-2024 09:48
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Well, not sure what we can get done but as always we'll talk a lot I guess - and I need to at least figure out what offers you are open to to bring Habtemichael home
And yes, I had almost forgotten that you were thinking of imitating our PT strategy Hope we can do a better job imitating Cedevita this time around than you did imitating us
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant."
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Posted on 13-08-2024 07:33
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Looks like your main goal these transfers is to get younger to set yourself up nicely for the long run?
A Big Thank You To All MG Reporters!
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