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Deutschland Tour - Discussions
Imladrik
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Posted on 11-04-2024 17:19
Willkommen in Germany for a 5 days tour in the northern part of the country, more precisely in Niedersachsen, around the Land capital, Hannover.

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The race has been a puncheur race, but since 2018 it’s for sprinters and time-trialists. Thus, there has been only two winners in the 5 last editions: Mads Würtz (2020, 2021 and 2022) and Jerome Coppel (2018, 2019).

Former winners


2022Mads WürtzGrieg-Maersk
2021Mads WürtzGrieg-Maersk
2020Mads WürtzGrieg-Maersk
2019Jerome CoppelCarrefour - ESPN
2018Jerome CoppelCarrefour - ESPN


2022 Top 20


1Mads WürtzGrieg-Maersk18h28'17
2Emilien ViennetPolar+ 15
3Steven LammertinkAker - MOT+ 22
4Kiril YatsevichTinkoff - La Datcha Team+ 26
5Mario Gonzalez SalasAssa Abloy+ 29
6Damien HowsonDuolingo+ 32
7Ryan MullenPolar+ 34
8Tom WirtgenEA Vesuvio+ 40
9Yuttana ManoKing Power+ 42
10Harry TanfieldEA Vesuvio+ 43
11Stef KrulPolars.t.
12Marlen ZmorkaLos Pollos Hermanos+ 44
13Panagiotis VlatosELCO - ABEAs.t.
14Victor CampenaertsCrabbe-CC Chevignys.t.
15Jasha SütterlinLos Pollos Hermanos+ 46
16Filippo GannaTeam Puma - SAP+ 47
17Rohan DennisMinions - Subwoolfer+ 51
18Nikita RazumovDuolingo+ 52
19Andreas HoferAker - MOTs.t.
20Ka Hoo FungKing Powers.t.



GC favorites


TTFLSTRS
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/grm.png Würtz83777878
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/eav.png Wirtgen82737675
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/lph.png Zmorka82747475
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/pol.png Mullen81757574
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/aab.png Paillot80707574
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/aab.png Gonzalez Salas80707476
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/ced.png Lammertink80747076
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/ced.png Howson80717374
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/ela.png Vlatos80717270
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/lph.png Sütterlin80717377
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/pol.png Viennet80727575
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/pum.png Ganna80767481
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/tti.png Yatsevich80707681


pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/grm.png Würtz is the best placed to add a fourth victory in a row for Grieg. He’s the best time-trialist here, and will have a team strong enough to bring him back should any problem arise.
His two main contenders should be pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/eav.png Wirtgen, who comes with a whole TT team, making them favorites for the team classification, and Ukrainian superstar pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/lph.png Zmorka. Los Pollos Hermanos also brings in Sütterlin, who could also have a great result on his name.

Sprinters


SPACFLSTRS
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/ela.png Coquard8483737174
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/isa.png Ewan8381757371
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/min.png Ahlstrand8281737372
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/ced.png Enger8178737173
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/lph.png Manninen8180747175
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/tti.png Samolenkov8179747571
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/pum.png Kanter8180757573
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/cdb.png Kragh Andersen8177777074
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/ino.png Abdul Halil8179707168
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/snz.png Howard8076747267
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/yor.png Cullaigh8081747370
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/ldl.png Kemboi8080787477
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/ziz.png Jakobsen8080747573


There are 4 sprint stages, long ones which shouldn’t go to any breakaway, and a points jersey to take! We logically have some of the best sprinters of the peloton to compete. pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/ela.png Coquard is the best of them, wanting to repeat his 3 wins from last season. He also had the two last points jerseys. The 2nd favorite is pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/isa.png Ewan, who hasn’t won any stage on this race yet.
Also worth of note is pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/lph.png Manninen and his 3 stage wins (and a point jersey, back in 2020), and pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2023/Micros/min.png Ahlstrand (two stages and the point jersey in 2019). But all in all, it’s a very strong sprint field here.


Full startlist

Spoiler
ZhaoJingbiaoAker - MOT
WoutersEnzoAker - MOT
VideikaAiridasAker - MOT
LaporteChristopheAker - MOT
AriesenTimAker - MOT
PottsMarcAker - MOT
SuterJoelAker - MOT
Bolor-ErdeneEnkhtaivanAker - MOT
KonychevAlexanderAssa Abloy
RickaertJonasAssa Abloy
Van AertBernardAssa Abloy
MatsumotoYosukueAssa Abloy
MagnussonKimAssa Abloy
GougeardAlexisAssa Abloy
PaillotYoannAssa Abloy
Gonzalez SalasMarioAssa Abloy
SilvestreFabioBralirwa - Stevens
YoungDarrenBralirwa - Stevens
WillemsJagoBralirwa - Stevens
HabimanaJean EricBralirwa - Stevens
Van EetveltLennertBralirwa - Stevens
VeronaCarlosBralirwa - Stevens
BerheWelay HagosBralirwa - Stevens
PolittNilsBralirwa - Stevens
Kragh AndersenAsbjornCarlsberg - Danske Bank
ForssellHugoCarlsberg - Danske Bank
Jimenez RetanaJohnCarlsberg - Danske Bank
CannisterGoldwijnnCarlsberg - Danske Bank
HnikKarelCarlsberg - Danske Bank
KämnaLennardCarlsberg - Danske Bank
ResellErik NordsaeterCarlsberg - Danske Bank
MestricMatijaCarlsberg - Danske Bank
EngerSondre HolstCedevita
GroseljMaticCedevita
NareklishviliGiorgiCedevita
PenkoIzidorCedevita
HowsonDamienCedevita
LammertinkStevenCedevita
CraddockLawsonCedevita
ChristodoulosMichaelCedevita
CullaighGabrielcycleYorkshire
HayterEthancycleYorkshire
HansenLasse NormancycleYorkshire
ZukowskyNickolascycleYorkshire
AntonijevicGorancycleYorkshire
OliveiraIvocycleYorkshire
ButtigiegAidancycleYorkshire
SteroboRasmuscycleYorkshire
GunnlaugssonKristoferEA Vesuvio
HepburnMichaelEA Vesuvio
TanfieldHarryEA Vesuvio
OnoderaReiEA Vesuvio
WirtgenTomEA Vesuvio
PelikanJanosEA Vesuvio
MuntonByronEA Vesuvio
De BodStefanEA Vesuvio
CoquardBryanELCO - ABEA
KoumpetsosAnastasiosELCO - ABEA
BoutopoulosGeorgiosELCO - ABEA
EvangelosSarrisELCO - ABEA
KortsidakisMichailELCO - ABEA
VlatosPanagiotisELCO - ABEA
KiriakidisIoannidisELCO - ABEA
IoannidisNikolaosELCO - ABEA
KiskonenSiimGenii Hyundai N Cycling
LouvelMatisGenii Hyundai N Cycling
JarcAljazGenii Hyundai N Cycling
SelimovicHuseinGenii Hyundai N Cycling
HerreraErickGenii Hyundai N Cycling
HenttalaJoonasGenii Hyundai N Cycling
PokäläSamuelGenii Hyundai N Cycling
KittelMarcelGenii Hyundai N Cycling
LarsenNiklasGrieg-Maersk
TrondsenTrond HakonGrieg-Maersk
WaerenskjoldSorenGrieg-Maersk
WürtzMadsGrieg-Maersk
KorsaethTruls EngenGrieg-Maersk
VaboTore AndreGrieg-Maersk
HulgaardMortenGrieg-Maersk
RajapakshageTushanthaGrieg-Maersk
Abdul HalilMohamad Izzat HilmiIndosat Ooredoo
GaniAbdulIndosat Ooredoo
VenturiniClementIndosat Ooredoo
KochetkovMikhailIndosat Ooredoo
Arif PrayogoDealton NurIndosat Ooredoo
AhmadFirdausIndosat Ooredoo
WibisonoRachmad NokaIndosat Ooredoo
WolfJustinIndosat Ooredoo
EwanCalebISA - Hexacta
SantosEmersonISA - Hexacta
ContrerasEmilianoISA - Hexacta
MraouniSalah EddineISA - Hexacta
FerreyraDiego AgustinISA - Hexacta
AndersenIdarISA - Hexacta
ChokriEl MehdiISA - Hexacta
DlaminiNicholasISA - Hexacta
PageDylanJura GIANTS
StockerManuelJura GIANTS
BisseggerStefanJura GIANTS
RekitaSzymonJura GIANTS
StehliFelixJura GIANTS
PageHugoJura GIANTS
BrunelAlexysJura GIANTS
RaugalaGustasJura GIANTS
KemboiSalemLidl Cycling
DekkerDavidLidl Cycling
VermeerschGianniLidl Cycling
StewartJakeLidl Cycling
PhonarjthanPatompobLidl Cycling
MansouriHamzaLidl Cycling
BraetVitoLidl Cycling
CatafordAlexandorLidl Cycling
ManninenMattiLos Pollos Hermanos
RuizRobinson StevenLos Pollos Hermanos
QuispeAlainLos Pollos Hermanos
MoutsiosMartinosLos Pollos Hermanos
NareklishviliBekaLos Pollos Hermanos
ZmorkaMarlenLos Pollos Hermanos
SütterlinJashaLos Pollos Hermanos
SterbiniLucaLos Pollos Hermanos
WalscheidMaximilianMcCormick Pro Cycling
BoivinGuillaumeMcCormick Pro Cycling
MatsudaShoiMcCormick Pro Cycling
MohammadFikri AzkaMcCormick Pro Cycling
QuinnSeanMcCormick Pro Cycling
SimmonsQuinnMcCormick Pro Cycling
AffiniEdoardoMcCormick Pro Cycling
NaudPatrickMcCormick Pro Cycling
AhlstrandJonasMinions
HodegAlvaroMinions
DakterisJanisMinions
BarbierRudyMinions
BjergMikkelMinions
PerezCristianMinions
DennisRohanMinions
BrownNathanMinions
PostlbergerLukasPolar
VivianiEliaPolar
NychArtemPolar
CheungKing LokPolar
BrockhoffJanPolar
KrulStefPolar
MullenRyanPolar
ViennetEmilienPolar
HowardLeighSpark-BNZ Racing
ScottCameronSpark-BNZ Racing
BaterdeneNarankhuuSpark-BNZ Racing
ErdenesurenMunkhtulgaSpark-BNZ Racing
MuhindoJimmySpark-BNZ Racing
MarryattJakeSpark-BNZ Racing
BattsengelAmartuvshinSpark-BNZ Racing
ErdenebatBilguunjargalSpark-BNZ Racing
KanterMaxTeam Puma - SAP
SteimleJannikTeam Puma - SAP
CavagnaRemiTeam Puma - SAP
GannaFilippoTeam Puma - SAP
O'BrienKellandTeam Puma - SAP
KmieliauskasRokasTeam Puma - SAP
StorkFlorianTeam Puma - SAP
HeidemannMiguelTeam Puma - SAP
SamolenkovArtemTinkoff - La Datcha Team
SenechalFlorianTinkoff - La Datcha Team
GonovLevTinkoff - La Datcha Team
ZakarinAydarTinkoff - La Datcha Team
Dal ColAndreaTinkoff - La Datcha Team
YatsevichKirilTinkoff - La Datcha Team
GoldsteinRoyTinkoff - La Datcha Team
VorobevAntonTinkoff - La Datcha Team
RodenbergFrederikTryg - Gobik
NyoniSimiloTryg - Gobik
Blume LevyWilliamTryg - Gobik
FrisonFrederikTryg - Gobik
SleenTorjusTryg - Gobik
IversenRasmusTryg - Gobik
SeibebCostaTryg - Gobik
NorsgaardMathiasTryg - Gobik
JakobsenFabioZARA - Irizar
HofstetterHugoZARA - Irizar
HestersJulesZARA - Irizar
ThomasBenjaminZARA - Irizar
CosnefroyBenoitZARA - Irizar
SamHenry AlbertoZARA - Irizar
VandeveldeYentlZARA - Irizar
GilmoreBradyZARA - Irizar
WeltenBramZwift Pro Cycling
WallsMatthewZwift Pro Cycling
CanalCarlosZwift Pro Cycling
GloagThomasZwift Pro Cycling
PickrellRileyZwift Pro Cycling
StrollLewisZwift Pro Cycling
JussaumeTristanZwift Pro Cycling
FraileOmarZwift Pro Cycling


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cunego59
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Posted on 11-04-2024 18:28
Tough field, but that was to be expected. Politt should be a lock for the Top 50 and has a shot at the Top 25-30 on a good day, Verona is Top 50 material as well but much less consistent. And then Young and Silvestre should finish in the Top 100, at least in the time trial, which would add a few more points. We obviously have Silvestre for the sprints, too, but he's a Top 15 sprinter at most, so any Top 8 result would be a positive surprise. Not a whole lot to look forward to, tbh Pfft But at the same time, every stage could have a positive surprise in store, too.

Thanks for the preview, looking forward to the reports!
 
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Marcovdw
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Posted on 11-04-2024 20:07
Ahlstrand and Bjerg to sweep all the stages. It's the only way Pfft
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Fabianski
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Posted on 11-04-2024 20:13
Yeah, that horrible band again... With 13 80+ TTers, the best I could hope for with Rekita would be a lower Top 15, or being lucky (for once) with favourable wind conditions during his ride. Could also be on the lower end of the Top 20 though.
Bissegger and Brunel *should* be similar to what cunego said for Politt, plus Top 5 material in the U25. But we've seen in Arab Tour (and partly in Slovenia) that they won't hesitate to throw everything out of the window...

We have Page for the sprints, who won't even make the extended favourites list in that field, but we've seen other 78 sprinters winning stages against PT's top stars... I'd be surprised if he scored, but with the current engine he basically could even win stage 1 and get us (almost) the 50 points we're hoping for right on day one ^^
Otherwise, hopefully breakaway apperances - ideally with Bissegger or Brunel who could improve their U25 chances. Wearing a KoM jersey for one day is something we haven't seen yet this year, so that could be a goal Pfft

Generally speaking, I guess it's another PTHC race with not much on offer for PCT teams that don't have an 80+ TTer. So basically a good race incoming for LPH and Assa, and whatever the PT teams leave over for the rest.
Hoping to sign a strong TTer, we have a Top 10 sponsor goal here - ridiculous with the roster we now have and the way TTs tend to play out.

Good luck to all, looking forward to the fight Würtz vs. Wirtgen vs. Zmorka!


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ivaneurope
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Posted on 11-04-2024 20:19
Our main hope for ranking points here is Selimovic Pfft
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Nemolito
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Posted on 11-04-2024 20:27
Top-5 sponsor goal here, so Zmorka preferably not with an off-day and 12th in GC like last year. Top-3 by Zmorks and top-10 by Sütterlin would be ideal. Like Imladrik mentioned, Manninen has done great here in the past, so would be lovely to see him perform great again. He can prove himself against the likes of Ewan, Coquard and Ahlstrand, who I hope perform decent as well.

Thanks for a great preview Imladrik, and good luck to all Smile

@Fab: this is a great band!
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Fabianski
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Posted on 11-04-2024 20:40
Nemolito wrote:
@Fab: this is a great band!

Yes, I do love the band - I just don't have a strong enough team for it Pfft
We may have limited the daily form a bit too much with +/-2, with the TT races now having less variance than any other terrain - I guess with the previous version I might have had a shot at the Top 10 goal on a good day, but could also have had everyone outside the Top 50 on a bad one Pfft


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Luis Leon Sanchez
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Posted on 11-04-2024 21:45
Could really do with some good points here but going to be tough in this field. Jakobsen going to need to find something special in the sprints while both Thomas and Cosnefroy are capable on their day but going to be tough for either of them to crack the Top 15.

Fingers crossed we get a favourable split along the way Wink
 
baseballlover312
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Posted on 11-04-2024 21:55
Need a lot of sprint luck with AKA to get anything out of this race. So, we'll hope for that.

Thanks for the preview!
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Ulrich Ulriksen
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Posted on 11-04-2024 23:24
Fabianski wrote:

Nemolito wrote:
@Fab: this is a great band!

Yes, I do love the band - I just don't have a strong enough team for it Pfft
We may have limited the daily form a bit too much with +/-2, with the TT races now having less variance than any other terrain - I guess with the previous version I might have had a shot at the Top 10 goal on a good day, but could also have had everyone outside the Top 50 on a bad one Pfft


I vote bad. Not sure we have managed a single top 20 result in this band. Really only 2 of the bands had anything for us so the rest were always going to be bad.

Not sure sending Walscheid here made sense but maybe he will get lucky.

I agree that +3/-3 might be a good idea
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tastasol
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Posted on 12-04-2024 00:06
We've had a lot of success here the last few years, so fingers crossed for another good run in Deutschland ... We certainly need a good results to get us out of the relegation zone here. Looking forward to it!
 
redordead
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Posted on 12-04-2024 06:56
This is the last stage race where I can realistically expect a good scoring output. So hopefully we continue our recent momentum to push on and secure a top 10 team ranking. Lower GC top 10s for both Lammertink and Howson definitely has to be goal and I won't complain if anyone in the 76-78 TT range has a good day Pfft

Enger hopefully performs in at least one of the four sprint stages.

ivaneurope wrote:

Our main hope for ranking points here is Selimovic Pfft

I didn't realise how well he's been doing on loan Grin

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Eden95
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Posted on 12-04-2024 10:00
What a startlist! Abdul Halil is our hope here, he won’t be good enough for a lead out thank god so hopefully he can fly under the radar and pick up some good points for us with some solid finishes.

Thanks for the preview!
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redordead
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Posted on 12-04-2024 13:25
Wow!! Shock Enger is back from his vacation? :lol:

Well that's his job done for the entire race. We can now focus on keeping our main TTers safe, although we might be forced into taking up chasing duties tomorrow. Hopefully some of the other good sprinters get lucky in the other three stages.

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Nemolito
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Posted on 12-04-2024 13:27
17th by Manninen is a bit worse than I hoped Pfft Seems like he was boxed in for a while, and then just couldn't do anything anymore. Hopefully we see better results from him on the other flat stages.

Congratulations to Cedevita on the win, and once again on their loaned out rider Selimovic doing so well! Thank you for a nice report, Imladrik.
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Jakstar22
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Posted on 12-04-2024 13:46
A stage win at PTHC level would have been wonderful! Good to see Howard still showing his strength against this field though. More opportunities and hopefully he can get one. Good sprint performance. Just went a little too early!

Good sprint from Enger!
 
ivaneurope
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Posted on 12-04-2024 14:22
redordead wrote:
ivaneurope wrote:

Our main hope for ranking points here is Selimovic Pfft

I didn't realise how well he's been doing on loan Grin


He's been great in breakaway groups so far and he didn't disappoint today. Congrats for the stage win BTW

Thanks for the report, Imladrik
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cunego59
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Posted on 12-04-2024 15:10
Good effort by Habimana. Would've loved for him to take the polkadots, but still a good start to the race. Silvestre looked like he was in a decent position, but simply not strong enough. Thanks for the report and congrats red!
 
baseballlover312
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Posted on 12-04-2024 17:14
Unfortunately AKA just got boxed in there. Not much to be done about that. He's in the mix and hopefully will get some better luck in the next few days.
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SotD
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Posted on 12-04-2024 17:45
Hooray…
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