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df_Trek
Top  #401 Print Post
Posted on 23-06-2019 01:22
the fact that jseadog and trekbmc voted both for bll can bright the way, they are actually trying to get the right lynch to be 3vs3
The city has to look if hillis or croatia will be the third

I'm sacrifice myself, please be fat and lynch th right one

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df_Trek
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Posted on 23-06-2019 01:22
be fast
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Posted on 23-06-2019 01:24
I want also let the city know that:
-both day1 and 2 i saved ryant
-on day 2 they used strongman ability
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df_Trek
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Posted on 23-06-2019 01:25
now everyone know why I was so firmly against jseadog theory
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sammyt93
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Posted on 23-06-2019 01:25
df_Trek wrote:
the fact that jseadog and trekbmc voted both for bll can bright the way, they are actually trying to get the right lynch to be 3vs3
The city has to look if hillis or croatia will be the third

I'm sacrifice myself, please be fat and lynch th right one

I'm the DOCTOR


Who did you try to save each night?

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df_Trek
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Posted on 23-06-2019 01:27
df_Trek wrote:
I want also let the city know that:
-both day1 and 2 i saved ryant
-on day 2 they used strongman ability


Wink
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jseadog1
Top  #407 Print Post
Posted on 23-06-2019 01:28
We reached the votes needed to kill bbl... the day is guaranteed to be over per the rules of the game...

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knockout
Top  #408 Print Post
Posted on 23-06-2019 01:29
Night 3:

Before the day ended the town decided to end the lynch vote with a majority on baseballlover312. Unfortunately he is protown

Dead:
Marcovdw
jandal7
quadsas
ryant
baseballlover312

Alive:
Croatia14
df_Trek
hillis91
jseadog1
sammyt93
TheManxMissile
Trekbmc

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df_Trek
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Posted on 23-06-2019 01:29
4 votes are not enough
you condamned yourself here
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Posted on 23-06-2019 01:32
df_Trek wrote:
df_Trek wrote:
I want also let the city know that:
-both day1 and 2 i saved ryant
-on day 2 they used strongman ability


Wink


You posted that whilst I was typing, my phone clearly isn't the quickest when I'm typing whilst watching twitch on split screen function.

The only thing saving hillis from speculation is jseadog claim of looking at him first night, if you are right that jseadog is framer, not detective, wouldn't it make sense that hillis is the third member, jseadog saving him from speculation instead of claiming a townie as an insurance policy?

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knockout
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Posted on 23-06-2019 20:46
Quick note: I wont be able to post at the end of the 24h night period since it is in the middle of the night ahead of a work day for me so I'll extend the night a bit. I hope to get the end of night post out before 7:30am german time but no guarantees Embarassed
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knockout
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Posted on 24-06-2019 06:43
hillis91 doesnt wake up anymore because he was strangled to death. He was pro-town and the mafia has now full control over the town and won the game.

End of Game


Roles Overview:


baseballlover312 1x Townie
Croatia14 1x Godfather Mafia
df_Trek 1x Doctor
hillis91 1x Townie
jandal7 1x Detective
jseadog1 1x Framer Mafia
Marcovdw 1x Townie
quadsas 1x Townie Neighbour
ryant 1x Politician Neighbour
sammyt93 1x Townie
TheManxMissile 1x Tracker
Trekbmc 1x One-Shot Strongman Mafia



Night Actions:



Person Role Target
Night 1:
TheManxMissile Tracker jandal7
jandal7 Detective df_trek
df_trek Doctor ryant
trekbmc Mafia kill jandal7
jseadog1 Framer nobody
Night 2:
TheManxMissile Tracker jseadog1
df_trek Doctor ryant
trekbmc Mafia kill + Strongman ryant
jseadog1 Framer sammyt
Night 3:
df_trek Doctor sammyt
trekbmc Mafia kill hillis
TMM Tracker Croatia
Jseadog1 Framer df trek


Moderator thoughts & comments:
- First of all, congrats to the mafia!
- It didnt felt like "the mafia won this" but more like "the town lost this" due to the many mistakes the town made.
- i hate early no lynches but with a strongman to reduce the chance of a doctor save and even player number and odd mafia number, the town could have used one nolynch at some point although doing so would remove a lot of the benefit of having a doctor
- i think day 1 action was still far too low with only quadsas and jandal really trying to use the day already.
- quadsas' role was interesting to watch. I liked some of his thoughts a lot, e.g. a coordinated mass claim on day 1 would have been quite a good move in this setup by the town and getting ryant to claim politician (in the neighbours chat). However, he seemed to adjust badly to how many on pcmdaily play and thus, did more harm than good in the end: e.g. having only some normal townies claim their roles is a very bad outcome for the town since the mafia can make good educated guesses who are which power roles but the town struggles. I'd love to see him play next time again as i feel like he understands the game better than most other players in this game. Notable also that his last two votes were both on mafia players. That said, i understood his lynch well.
- i have no idea how marco ended up lynched day 1. This was such a weird situation since two of the three voters saw him as pro-town and the lynch could have been easily switched to hillis (when the intention was to save quadsas) in the final few minutes of the day with those that were active at the time and it would have looked far more logical by nearly everyone involved.
- I liked nearly every use of a night action. Good choices by everyone. Only huge surprise to me was that the mafia feared a switcheroo by df and someone else as neighbours the last night.
- TMMs tracker claim looked very believable and the town did well to believe him. However I'm stunned that nobody even questioned who was visited by jandal to make sure TMMs conclusion that jdog is detective makes sense. (jandal visiting df hints more towards detective imo)
- In Mafia VIII not voting quickly on the (possibly) final day was a big topic. I'm surprised how quickly everyone threw their votes around like it didnt matter. The mafia had two opportunities to quickhammer - end the day by lynching either sammy or bbl
- I can understand df very well, trying to change the lynch vote away from bbl without claiming immediately since a claim means that the town has to lynch correctly on three consecutive days while a succesful deflection without a claim might get the town another misslynch opportunity if he makes a save.
- Very unfortunate for the town that df claims his doctor role after the day ended and effectively removes the chance of a doctor save with it.
- It's very difficult to proclaim someone best player of the game. If i had to pick someone I'd probably pick Croatia although he didnt really participate too much in this game and mainly just let the town do its stuff.
- Special thanks to kandesbunzler who had agreed to be the replacement in case of extreme trekbmcing by a player. I'm glad it wasnt necessary though.
Edited by knockout on 24-06-2019 08:02
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TheManxMissile
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Posted on 24-06-2019 08:58
Damnit, i guess i misunderstood how the tracker worked. I thought the Framer would make two moves, so when JDog only made one it meant he couldn't be the Framer. That mistake definitely spiralled my logic in the wrong direction.

And definitely would have helped df to come forward sooner to correct my claim that Jandal was Doctor leaving JDog as detective. That would have changed things because then either it's JDog or df as Mafia and to focus on one or two is a lot easier. Or at least raised enough doubt to stick with lynching trek over others.

But given Sammy was doomed i'm still happy with the play overall at the end.
Definitely still prefer to play this game irl, it's sooooo much better and more creative.

Congrats to the mafia, lesson is still to lynch the quieter ones first Pfft
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Posted on 24-06-2019 10:15
Congrats to mafia who played pretty flawlessly without much obstacles but (as I’ve been telling him) I agree with knockout that we kind of lost this more than the mafia won it: the logic for me that if I visited df trek instead of ryant I mustn’t be doctor, I am not mafia as confirmed by knockout’s post, and so therefore I am detective was super clear I thought and so the last 24 hours were anguish to watch for me. But no hate to any of the town Smile Looking forward to next edition, and if I’m playing hopefully doing it for more than a day! Pfft
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Aquarius97
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Posted on 24-06-2019 10:31
I think Mafia should be stripped of their win, because instead of killing the ONLY player that can't be saved by the doctor, and that's the very own doctor, they go with other player. Omg, would have been amazing is Df gets the save...
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trekbmc
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Posted on 24-06-2019 10:38
First off, thanks for the game knockout!

Also, was very surprised to see hillis die, I thought we were killing df and my paranoia that he was a neighbour would be dismissed as just that. Pfft

It was kinda weird game to be honest, quadsas' tactics may work in town of salem, but the mass claim plan became less and less effective as the game went on and it was easy to ridicule as mafia, I could just continuously point and go "Look at these terrible tactics" without putting any real reasoning into my attack (sorry about that Sammy & quadsas, I don't really think your tactics are bad, though perhaps a little too aggresive to get the town on your side).

That whole mess with Marco & quadsas' death made it easy for us to all reach the end just by blending in and accusing other players, which also means that a couple of our mafia tactics never got to play out. Pfft

Also, TMM, I hope you weren't offended that I seemed intent to get you out, I knew because we'd gone for each other in previous games that it wouldn't be suspicious if I went for you again. Pfft

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trekbmc
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Posted on 24-06-2019 10:40
Aquarius97 wrote:
I think Mafia should be stripped of their win, because instead of killing the ONLY player that can't be saved by the doctor, and that's the very own doctor, they go with other player. Omg, would have been amazing is Df gets the save...


It was an interesting night, the decision may have been changed when 2 mafia members could not see it or change it. Pfft

But it all worked out in the end.



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Croatia14
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Posted on 24-06-2019 11:00
What trek said. Especially on being surprised that Hillis was lynchedGrin

However: I'm pretty sure either trek or me would've survived at the end. Luckily I got the other power roles in my last post about who could be mafia and who is suspicious right, so I guess I should've survived a couple of days. And then trek was a likely brownie if I turn out mafia anyway Wink

Sorry to quasdas and Sammy as well. Your tactics were indeed legitimate. Though imo a lot less fun and also very risky, as we could be killed all power roles starting with the doc one by one. I guess it's not a good tactic, but worth trying if townies fail. It makes the game less entertaining though, that is for sure.
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sammyt93
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Posted on 24-06-2019 11:43
Croatia14 wrote:
What trek said. Especially on being surprised that Hillis was lynchedGrin

However: I'm pretty sure either trek or me would've survived at the end. Luckily I got the other power roles in my last post about who could be mafia and who is suspicious right, so I guess I should've survived a couple of days. And then trek was a likely brownie if I turn out mafia anyway Wink

Sorry to quasdas and Sammy as well. Your tactics were indeed legitimate. Though imo a lot less fun and also very risky, as we could be killed all power roles starting with the doc one by one. I guess it's not a good tactic, but worth trying if townies fail. It makes the game less entertaining though, that is for sure.


Why would you not start with the strongman kill on the detective, so you don't have to use the framer, making the tracker and doctor roles useless (killing doctor night 2) whilst giving yourself no chance of being caught, other than tracker catching strongman night 1.

For those that still don't understand the mass claim idea, you get 4 confirmed townies day 1, forcing the night kills to be on those people meaning instead of finding 3 in 12 you are finding 3 in 8.

The mafia already know everyone's alignment, the town needs to work out who is confirmed town to narrow down who can be mafia, you aren't giving the mafia that much more knowledge than they already have as the roles aren't as important as knowing the player is confirmed town as there is too much potential between the framer and godfather for the detective to be wrong, and there isn't a town role that can get them a kill.

I feel like df_trek needed to come forward earlier in the last day, I didn't realise the votes on bbl were so high at the end, but df_trek trying to argue against jseadog without claiming was making himself sound like mafia and was reducing the credibility of his doctor counter claim imo. Knowing jseadog was caught by TMM and that he couldn't be correct it would have been a very easy lynch for the town and an earlier final day doctor claim, especially if it was before jseadog could get on where he would have had enough time to condemn him before the counter claim/ defence judging by how long mine and his conversation that final day lasted when he tried to pressure TMM into revealing who it was.

Yes df_trek would have been the obvious night kill but his logic all game suggests he could have left his thoughts on the table and made sure we knew who he suspected and why before we piled on the lynch vote and made sure we got the first mafia member.

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jseadog1
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Posted on 24-06-2019 11:56
Alright so let me try to explain some more for you guys:

Night 1: Croatia and df_trek were missing in action from the mafia chat all day and all night on the first game day so I was really on my own. I chose to kill jandal due to him hosting every episode of the game and thinking he would be a stronger player for the town in the long run.

Day 2: quadsas was actually annoying me and even though it should have been obvious he was town I saw an opportunity to get rid of him.

Night 2: I actually wanted to let ryant survive. I knew the doc would save him and I wanted to save the strongman and lynch sammy instead. The other mafia though it was too risky for trekbmc to survive another day and use it on night 3 instead.

Day 3: The plan here was actually for me to claim detective at some point in the day anyway. TMM fueled my fire when he backed me up before I even had to make that claim. I was originally going to say I investigated trekbmc on day 1 but chose otherwise.

Night 3: Here is where things got interesting. I started to think what if df_trek and someone else like sammy were neighbors and sammy told df_trek to make a doctor claim with the accompanying info. In turn, df could have been saved by sammy and we would have lynched df wrongly meaning the mafia was in deep trouble.

Now, I'd like to say I am the only member to now win 2 games in a row :lol:

Means I should probably take the next few off or be a big target. Also, I don't understand why players like sammyt93 use the argument about how I play the game. Even if I was a townie, I would be playing the game the exact same way that I do now. It won't change anytime soon.

Now for some of the chat log in the spoilers below. From day 2 up until I ironically wished that TMM would play into my arms (which he did).

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Croatia14: trekbmc could very well be lynched soon at daytime, and then we loose his power role
Jun 17

[Bookmark] Croatia14: Also: jseadog, please use your special abilities next night!
Jun 17

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Jun 17

[Bookmark] jdog (Jdog) joined the chat
Jun 17

[Bookmark] jdog: I didn't use them yet because I know people are probably watching me and if they see zero actions they still think I'm a townie
Jun 17

[Bookmark] jdog: we can get ryant the next night, we have an opportunity to get someone else using his power. I doubt they save ryant
Jun 17

[Bookmark] jdog joined the chat
Jun 17

[Bookmark] jdog: quadsas is an a** lol
Jun 17

[Bookmark] jdog: Playing from his mothers basement getting intense... man he needs to go
Jun 17

[Bookmark] knockout joined the chat
Jun 18

[Bookmark] trekbmc joined the chat
Jun 18

[Bookmark] Croatia14 joined the chat
Jun 18

[Bookmark] trekbmc: Hey, just writing my post now
Jun 18

[Bookmark] Croatia14: good stuff
Jun 18

[Bookmark] trekbmc: Trying to write a bit enough analysis to protect myself and redirect heat
Jun 18

[Bookmark] trekbmc: Kinda want to target TMM, I have some great arguments against him
Jun 18

[Bookmark] Croatia14: sammy, quasdas, df_trek all seem vulnerable at this point
Jun 18

[Bookmark] Croatia14: TMM is also a good target
Jun 18

[Bookmark] trekbmc: True
Jun 18

[Bookmark] trekbmc: TMM has been quiet though, which makes him almost a safer player to go after
Jun 18

[Bookmark] Croatia14: yes
Jun 18

[Bookmark] trekbmc: We'll see, I'm reading through the thread again before I post
Jun 18

[Bookmark] trekbmc: What's the votes like atm btw?
Jun 18

[Bookmark] Croatia14: I think a lot of people with 1 vote
Jun 18

[Bookmark] Croatia14: but no matter how this ends, we have to do a strongman nightkill on ryant
Jun 18

[Bookmark] trekbmc: Yeah, that's a good plan
Jun 18

[Bookmark] trekbmc: Though we have to be careful of tracker
Jun 18

[Bookmark] trekbmc: If they lynch a townie today, it might be worth pulling a detective claim to get a final mislynch
Jun 18

[Bookmark] trekbmc: Because if ryant's dead then we'll have equal numbers after that and win
Jun 18

[Bookmark] Croatia14: well that person could also track that you are f.e. the doctor or detective
Jun 18

[Bookmark] trekbmc: Yeah, that is true
Jun 18

[Bookmark] trekbmc: But if the doctor doesn't visit ryant then we won't have an alibi unless one of us counter claims tracker
Jun 18

[Bookmark] Croatia14: people don't know whether it's a strongman kill or not
Jun 18

[Bookmark] trekbmc: But if the tracker sees two players visit ryant and he dies
Jun 18

[Bookmark] trekbmc: Then it must be doctor/dective and the killer
Jun 18

[Bookmark] Croatia14: tracker can only track 1 person
Jun 18

[Bookmark] Croatia14: and whether it does something or not
Jun 18

[Bookmark] Croatia14: not what it does or to whom
Jun 18

[Bookmark] trekbmc: Can't they see the visits on a person?
Jun 18

[Bookmark] Croatia14: if I got it right
Jun 18

[Bookmark] trekbmc: Ah, I was wrong about it
Jun 18

[Bookmark] trekbmc: My bad
Jun 18

[Bookmark] trekbmc: That's much better for us then Smile
Jun 18

[Bookmark] Croatia14: exactly
Jun 18

[Bookmark] Croatia14: great post trekky
Jun 18

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Jun 18

[Bookmark] trekbmc: Thanks Smile
Jun 18

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[Bookmark] Croatia14: 2 lynchs on TMM so far, 1 on jseadog, 1 on sammyt, 3 on quasdas
Jun 19

[Bookmark] trekbmc joined the chat
Jun 19

[Bookmark] trekbmc: Yeah, so it's looking good, I might flip to quadsas then try to get TMM tomorrow
Jun 19

[Bookmark] trekbmc: But I'm not sure yet, could be better just to hold on TMM
Jun 19

[Bookmark] Croatia14: I'd prefer to have quasdas gone over TMM too
Jun 19

[Bookmark] Croatia14: but if so we need late switches
Jun 19

[Bookmark] Croatia14: ryant didn't vote yet and has the power role
Jun 19

[Bookmark] trekbmc: Yeah, not sure what way ryant will go
Jun 19

[Bookmark] trekbmc: I'd prefer quadsas gone because I think I can really focus on a TMM lynch tomorrow as I have in the past
Jun 19

[Bookmark] trekbmc: But it'd make it easier for me to do that if I do finish today on a TMM vote
Jun 19

[Bookmark] Croatia14: exactly
Jun 19

[Bookmark] Croatia14: if others don't finish the job we're the ones that should
Jun 19

[Bookmark] trekbmc: Yeah, but we can hope they do it first Smile
Jun 19

[Bookmark] Croatia14: exactly ????
Jun 19

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Jun 19

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[Bookmark] Croatia14: 4,5 hours left
13:31

[Bookmark] Croatia14: still looking solid
13:31

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[Bookmark] Jdog: I don't think I am safe, 2 on me, 3 on quedsas
14:05

[Bookmark] Jdog: trek you might need to make a flip somehow to ensure I am safe
14:06

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[Bookmark] jdog: I really really think we should kill sammy
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2:47

[Bookmark] trekbmc: It was good to get that kill guys, now we just need one more mislynch to win Smile
2:47

[Bookmark] trekbmc: Sammy & TMM are probably the best targets, but we can deflect to quadsas voters
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[Bookmark] Croatia14: you really wanna nightkill sammy?
5:43

[Bookmark] Croatia14: I think we should use strongman now as I'm not sure trekky will survive tomorrow
5:44

[Bookmark] Croatia14: and I'd use it on ryant
5:44

[Bookmark] Croatia14: also, to the important roles:
5:44

[Bookmark] Croatia14: sammy, quasdas, marco didn't have one
5:45

[Bookmark] Croatia14: means jandal7, bbl, df_trek, sammyt, TMM for 3 major roles (1* Detective 1x Doctor 1x Tracker) + neighbours
5:48

[Bookmark] Croatia14: I'm quite sure jandal had a special role fsr
5:48

[Bookmark] Croatia14: forgot hillis in that list
5:48

[Bookmark] Croatia14: corrected: means jandal7, bbl, df_trek, hillis, TMM for 3 major roles (1* Detective 1x Doctor 1x Tracker) + neighbours
5:49

[Bookmark] Croatia14: that means sammy is the worst person to kill atm imo
5:49

[Bookmark] Croatia14: also guys: be prepared for scenarios where you:
5:52

[Bookmark] Croatia14: a) need to claim the detective and say that you investigated two persons, both of them true good people
5:52

[Bookmark] Croatia14: b) need to claim the doctor to protect yourself, saying that you've saved ryant since night 1 (and if we kill ryant by strongman, which we definitely should imo, tell that they used the strongman ability to overwrite you)
5:53

[Bookmark] Croatia14: in case of b), also claim that you'll from now on heal yourself, to make sure one good person is in the game ????
5:54

[Bookmark] Croatia14: .....
5:56

[Bookmark] Croatia14: ....
5:56

[Bookmark] Croatia14: .....
5:56

[Bookmark] Croatia14: ....
5:56

[Bookmark] Croatia14: who did you frame last night jdog?
5:57

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8:40

[Bookmark] Jdog: nobody on night 1
8:40

[Bookmark] Jdog: who should I frame tonight?
8:41

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8:43

[Bookmark] Croatia14: depends
8:43

[Bookmark] Croatia14: who do you think is most likely to be checked? sammy?
8:44

[Bookmark] trekbmc: I want to kill ryant as well imo, BBL is the other option I suppose
8:44

[Bookmark] Jdog: I was thinking of framing sammy if we dont kill him
8:44

[Bookmark] Croatia14: df_trek
8:44

[Bookmark] Croatia14: yep
8:44

[Bookmark] trekbmc: You could frame TMM? Sammy is maybe more likely
8:44

[Bookmark] trekbmc: imo jandal was detective Pfft
8:44

[Bookmark] Jdog: you guys understand on Day 3 sammy is definitely lynching me and going to come after me though right?
8:44

[Bookmark] Jdog: we need a plan
8:44

[Bookmark] Jdog: Sending knockout a PM to frame sammy
8:44

[Bookmark] trekbmc: btw, Croatia, you can't self heal
8:44

[Bookmark] trekbmc: well, doctor can't
8:45

[Bookmark] Croatia14: ah good to know
8:45

[Bookmark] trekbmc: also, if one of us does claim doctor, we have to mention the strongman kill, otherwise it sounds like stupidity to out as doctor
8:45

[Bookmark] Jdog: I thought you could?? I always did when I was
8:45

[Bookmark] trekbmc: Even then, a doctor clim is incredibly risky
8:45

[Bookmark] trekbmc: Nah, they changed the rules this season
8:46

[Bookmark] Croatia14: I don't think sammy will lynch you tbh
8:46

[Bookmark] Jdog: got it.. why do you think that?
8:46

[Bookmark] Croatia14: you're right trekky
8:46

[Bookmark] trekbmc: Who was Sammy going for yesterday?
8:46

[Bookmark] Jdog: who will the target be? If the 3 of us survive again we are in good shape
8:46

[Bookmark] Jdog: sammy went for me
8:46

[Bookmark] trekbmc: If the 3 of us survive we almost certainly win
8:46

[Bookmark] Jdog: someone else went for me also, I think quadsas
8:46

[Bookmark] trekbmc: We just need to kill without doctor saving
8:47

[Bookmark] Jdog: well strongman guarantees that
8:47

[Bookmark] trekbmc: Yeah, but we're using strongman tonight, so won't have it next night
8:47

[Bookmark] trekbmc: So if we can lynch a town member tomorrow we'll win the game pretty much
8:47

[Bookmark] Jdog: We can get rid of someone who would never be saved next night
8:47

[Bookmark] Jdog: like maybe TMM
8:48

[Bookmark] Jdog: or lynch him day 3
8:48

[Bookmark] trekbmc: Yeah, but we'll think of that when we get there, it won't be hard
8:48

[Bookmark] Jdog: Well right now we need to think of a target for day 3
8:48

[Bookmark] Jdog: thats the top goal right now
8:48

[Bookmark] Jdog: TMM might be a good one
8:48

[Bookmark] trekbmc: I think the most important thing is that we all play our own game
8:48

[Bookmark] trekbmc: We can't look like we're working together too much
8:48

[Bookmark] Jdog: I have been staying away from you 2 the whole time so far I think
8:49

[Bookmark] trekbmc: I'm already gunning for TMM
8:49

[Bookmark] Jdog: I'll go for sammy
8:49

[Bookmark] trekbmc: Good call
8:49

[Bookmark] Jdog: Croatia needs to pick a side tho
8:49

[Bookmark] Jdog: we cant all 3 be on different people
8:49

[Bookmark] trekbmc: I think he can just read it as it plays out
8:49

[Bookmark] Jdog: yeah good idea. If sammy can persuade someone like bbl to vote for me though we need to think of an emergency plan
8:50

[Bookmark] trekbmc: I reckon df_trek will vote TMM with me
8:50

[Bookmark] Jdog: Yeah and if Croatia can find a reason to do the same he should def get enough momentum to be gone
8:51

[Bookmark] trekbmc: And you can say that you're voting TMM to keep yourself alive if the votes are between you and TMM
8:51

[Bookmark] Jdog: Yeah that also, sammy is definitely onto me though because of how I played the last game
8:51

[Bookmark] trekbmc: Yeah, always a way to find a reason, just play it normal Smile
8:51

[Bookmark] trekbmc: How did you play last game specifically?
8:51

[Bookmark] Croatia14: imo we should all have different opinions at the beginning and then decide on how the discussion advances
8:51

[Bookmark] Jdog: I lynched anyone at night that pointed a finger at me and hid in the background during the day
8:51

[Bookmark] Jdog: his analysis of my was actually apot on
8:52

[Bookmark] Jdog: saying that I don't pick fights so I don't put a target on my back
8:52

[Bookmark] trekbmc: Yeah, I agree Croatia
8:52

[Bookmark] trekbmc: Yeah, that's an easy thing to be caught with as mafia
8:52

[Bookmark] Jdog: how risky would it be to point at trek, Croatia?
8:53

[Bookmark] trekbmc: That's why Croatia and I have started a few arguments without being the main people in discussion
8:53

[Bookmark] Jdog: as long as people dont join in asap
8:53

[Bookmark] Croatia14: "his analysis of my was actually apot on" that doesn't mean that anybody believes him
8:53

[Bookmark] Croatia14: we knocked his biggest mate out
8:53

[Bookmark] trekbmc: Point at sammy first jdog, if you're both pointing at me things could get risky and I think we have a great shot on Sammy
8:54

[Bookmark] Jdog: Someone send a PM to knockout saying what we are doing, since we are using strongman I think trek has to do it
8:54

[Bookmark] Jdog: I am def doing sammy
8:54

[Bookmark] Jdog: I meant Croatia to point at you
8:54

[Bookmark] trekbmc: Best case scenario, we split the day's argument entirely between Sammy and TMM
8:54

[Bookmark] Jdog: Cool I will do that, if you guys have any reasons that can help my case shoot them over on here
8:54

[Bookmark] trekbmc: Oh, yeah, Croatia has always been on my back
8:54

[Bookmark] trekbmc: I think he's playing it well so it should be alright
8:55

[Bookmark] Jdog: I will have to claim something if I am tracked since I framed sammy
8:55

[Bookmark] Jdog: Maybe detective?
8:56

[Bookmark] trekbmc: Definitely
8:56

[Bookmark] Croatia14: but only do it very late on the last day
8:56

[Bookmark] Croatia14: don't give them the opportunity to think about it
8:56

[Bookmark] Jdog: Or if there are a high number of votes on me
8:56

[Bookmark] trekbmc: Claim detective N1: hillis or somebody else not too inno not too sus N2: Sammy as mafia
8:56

[Bookmark] trekbmc: If you're caught tracking, then say you didn't say it but was going for sammy because of that
8:57

[Bookmark] Jdog: Good idea
8:57

[Bookmark] Jdog: if someone else claims it will be a dog fight
8:57

[Bookmark] Jdog: but you will know who to kill next
8:57

[Bookmark] trekbmc: Yeah, but if it's votes only if it's seeming like you're gone
8:57

[Bookmark] Jdog: correct
8:57

[Bookmark] trekbmc: Yeah, just make your best arguments and we'll see where it gets us
8:58

[Bookmark] Jdog: sweet, get that message sent to knock, I just sent mine
8:58

[Bookmark] trekbmc: If the discussion heats up in the next day let's check this chat a lot so we can make sure we'll all focussed
8:58

[Bookmark] trekbmc: To confirm, I'm killing ryant with the strongman power
8:59

[Bookmark] trekbmc: I'll send that to him Smile
8:59

[Bookmark] Jdog: yes
8:59

[Bookmark] Jdog: I'll check in when Day 3 starts have a good one guys
8:59

[Bookmark] trekbmc: Awesome, you too!
9:00

[Bookmark] Croatia14: Claim detective N1: hillis or somebody else not too inno not too sus N2: trek as town
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[Bookmark] trekbmc: Why did you say that Sammy was probably inno jdog? I thought you were going for him?
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[Bookmark] Croatia14: jdog you'll be in my crossfire for now
6:01

[Bookmark] Croatia14: I'll later back off of you but right now I need to for credibility
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[Bookmark] Jdog: Because it made sense based off the scenerio
11:10

[Bookmark] Jdog: I'm going to stay neutral for now but I am hoping that TMM works himself into a trap with me
11:11

[Bookmark] Jdog: I don't want to throw out a vote yet but fyi to you guys it would be TMM as of now
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