I agree with you that the town wouldn't lynch Ryant, and that him being the only confirmed role makes him the best target for the mafia night 2, however I couldn't find where he pointed at me apart from when people though I switched from voting Quadsas to Marco, when I never voted Quadsas, I was previously on Jseadog after calling for his first post.
That was a mistake Jandal made, thinking it was me voting Quadsas, when it was Jseadog voting Quadsas that lead to that confusion.
Unless you have something else where Ryant pointed towards me that I can't find saying he did, apart from one comment I found doesn't seem to hold true.
Here:
ryant wrote:
I'm going to look back over the last few posts and will post my views, but I'm going to put this here first, the last view of Marco's posts seemed extremely pro town for me (I was not there) so the timing and reasoning of Sammy's vote on him is extremely suspect for me. I probably would have preferred Marco to live at the end
and my point it's right there, you have to eliminate a problem before it is starting to be a real problem
To say it doesn't tell us much feels wrong as it means we either don't have to worry about the strongman kill anymore, or the doctor was not paying attention at all to the thread (Ryant came out as politician day 1, questionable on whether he should have been protected or not due to mind games with mafia night 1, should definitely have been protected night 2) even if the doctor wasn't on late day 2/ overnight, at this point protecting ryant should at least have been sent to knockout as a default order for if they can't get online.
This is why I asked if knockout would mention if the strongman kill was used, if he would have mentioned it, and it wasn't used then the doctor is playing very badly or was Jandal, the fact it won't be mentioned when used suggests it was used to kill through an attempted save on Ryant, seeing as it's likely the last day I wouldn't be against the doctor confirming who he tried to save last night to clear this up.
your question to knockout looks like exhibitionist move, imo you just don't want to let understand if strongman power is used or not.
And if you want my fair idea is that I was the most trusted player of the city and I'm not surprised if the doctor was saving me, thinking that ryant was a quite obvious call. The fact that you pull out this story just on day 2 it's interesting, because maybe ryant was a better option to save on day 1. So I'm a kind of suspected that you know already if strongman ability is used or not.
Jandal was the doctor? we can't know, but I don't think so, he was playing too risky
The fact that twice you have said that I like to stall my comments doesn't really ring true either, I just don't look as often as you seem to think I do, the first day I posted every time I looked at the forum apart from once where the you/jandal/quadsas argument was going on and I had already said I was waiting for others to post.
I checked quite often from the start of day 3, and I found you sometimes online, your post were more occasional. imo a townire should at least say something after a night kill
again about claiming roles: if we all call our roles we have no the chance the doctor will save on if we call the wrong lynch: the game is over.
And btw, I'm seeing too many simple townie calls, so this won't woks either.
df_Trek wrote:
again about claiming roles: if we all claim our roles we have no the chance the doctor will save one if we call the wrong lynch: the game is over.
And btw, I'm seeing too many simple townie calls, so this won't woks either.
TheManxMissile wrote: Lynch Trekbmc F*ck you
I explained in my previous reply to you why i'm less active and involved. And i'm far from the only quiet one thus far.
My whole position over two days was "These early lynchings are bad, we will get them wrong. Don't be distracted by Quesadilla." And what happened? 4 townies are, we're in a 5v3 scenario without the doctors protection and we know minmal else because people got distracted by the tortialla.
Lynch an innocent today, the game ends immediately because the strongman uses his power. Anyone who threw out a quick lynch needs to up their game in explaining why, as we cannot afford a mistake!
I have more thoughts to offer, but i will wait and see where the rest of the lynch votes go first.
But you're not helping the town at all, you just said you didn't want an early lynch, then failed to take part in the discussion to more than a minimal degree, now only making slightly more in depth posts because you've been called out for it. It just seems like a very mafia type strategy were you stay out of focus but say enough to seem active, without ever helping the town at all. I mean it's easy to claim that everybody is doing something wrong, but at least campaign your point of view and try to push the discussion off quadsas if that's what you believed.
Also, I'm not sure anybody has been more quiet than you.
I've already said my role, so that's out of the way.
As has been said, I am very suspicious of Sammy. His defense of quadsas was full on from the very beginning. He was clear that he "knew" he was town from the very beginning, and yes he was right. But only the mafia really know who is town. Sure, he could have just had a hunch, but his arguments for that were always lacking in substance. He was playing the game at a "higher level" than us? Wtf? Random accusations and namecalling, demanding stupid strategies be implemented immediately. That's a "higher level?"
It seems to be that his game has been to attach himself to quadsas and his antics so that when he (from a mafia perspective) was inevitably proven town, he was latch onto that and blame others, linking himself to that pro-town legacy like quadsas tried to do with me, marco, and jandal as mafia. Hell, Sammy admitted he even thought of marco as town at the end, but left his vote to blindly follow quadsas.
If we're wrong, we lose, but it's the best gut feeling I've got. We haven't had much to work off of this game thanks to quadsas destroying any opportunity of calm, analytical discourse.
Lynch sammyt93
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy
Well, as no-one really seems to bringing anything of interest, and we're definitely going to have a lynch today looking at the votes:
I am the Tracker
I know Jandal was a power role, and i know one other person has visited sammy overnight. That person better come forward to shift the way the game is going, or it's all over.
The plan was to get another night out the way to narrow down the list, but you guys keep killing people and the game won't last long enough for that to matter now.
TheManxMissile wrote:
Well, as no-one really seems to bringing anything of interest, and we're definitely going to have a lynch today looking at the votes:
I am the Tracker
I know Jandal was a power role, and i know one other person has visited sammy overnight. That person better come forward to shift the way the game is going, or it's all over.
The plan was to get another night out the way to narrow down the list, but you guys keep killing people and the game won't last long enough for that to matter now.
Wow can you know jandal was a power role? Were you neighbours?
Wait, actually I probably missed the real task of the tracker, if you look at someone, what can you see? If he is performing an action or if he is undergoing an action? Or both?
TheManxMissile wrote:
Well, as no-one really seems to bringing anything of interest, and we're definitely going to have a lynch today looking at the votes:
I am the Tracker
I know Jandal was a power role, and i know one other person has visited sammy overnight. That person better come forward to shift the way the game is going, or it's all over.
The plan was to get another night out the way to narrow down the list, but you guys keep killing people and the game won't last long enough for that to matter now.
Alright, well that's fair, still doesn't clear you from all suspicion in case the tracker is dead or if there's a counter claim, but I'd certainly rather focus on unclaimed players now as it makes your more likely to be town.
Therefore I'm changing my vote to Lynch Sammyt93 for reasons stated in my previous post, as well as some very strong points from other players.
Also, doesn't tracker only see who a player visited? Or am I misled about the role?
To say it doesn't tell us much feels wrong as it means we either don't have to worry about the strongman kill anymore, or the doctor was not paying attention at all to the thread (Ryant came out as politician day 1, questionable on whether he should have been protected or not due to mind games with mafia night 1, should definitely have been protected night 2) even if the doctor wasn't on late day 2/ overnight, at this point protecting ryant should at least have been sent to knockout as a default order for if they can't get online.
This is why I asked if knockout would mention if the strongman kill was used, if he would have mentioned it, and it wasn't used then the doctor is playing very badly or was Jandal, the fact it won't be mentioned when used suggests it was used to kill through an attempted save on Ryant, seeing as it's likely the last day I wouldn't be against the doctor confirming who he tried to save last night to clear this up.
your question to knockout looks like exhibitionist move, imo you just don't want to let understand if strongman power is used or not.
And if you want my fair idea is that I was the most trusted player of the city and I'm not surprised if the doctor was saving me, thinking that ryant was a quite obvious call. The fact that you pull out this story just on day 2 it's interesting, because maybe ryant was a better option to save on day 1. So I'm a kind of suspected that you know already if strongman ability is used or not.
Jandal was the doctor? we can't know, but I don't think so, he was playing too risky
You are seriously missing the point on a lot of what I am saying.
your question to knockout looks like exhibitionist move, imo you just don't want to let understand if strongman power is used or not.
I want to know if it was used or not, and I didn't know if he was going to mention it or not, I honestly don't follow your logic on this at all, how would it benefit me to try and share that knowledge with the town if I was mafia?
Jandal was the doctor? we can't know, but I don't think so, he was playing too risky
Again you are missing the point, I'm not saying he was the doctor, I'm saying he is the only dead player it could have been, meaning it's more than likely the doctor is still alive, we know Quadsas, Marco and Ryant were not the doctor, out of 4 townies killed we know only one of those could have had an unannounced town role, we don't have to question if all 4 of them did or not, so we know there are definitely either 2 or 3 town roles still alive.
My point about the doctor in particular is that if the strongman kill would be announced, then the fact it wasn't suggests the doctor is either Jandal or someone who hasn't been following as closely/ posting as much, meaning the doctor would be one of the quieter players, e.g. BBL/Jseadog/Hillis/TrekBMC.
Seeing as I had a bad feeling about BBL on day one, and mentioned him to quadsas as a preferred lynch target over Marco, and he has so far always voted on innocent townies that have ended up dead, under the pretence of they are beign disruptive I'd rather kill them than try and find mafia, I'm going to Lynch BBL
I get that a lot of people suspect me, but at the moment we are 1 lynch vote on me away from half the remaining players which would end the day and result in the town losing the game.
Even if I can't convince you not to put it back later it might make sense for someone to take their vote off me to avoid the day ending too early.
I didn't write that you said jandal was the doctor, but just a thought referring to your reflection
I want to know if it was used or not, and I didn't know if he was going to mention it or not, I honestly don't follow your logic on this at all, how would it benefit me to try and share that knowledge with the town if I was mafia?
What I said is it can easily be a tactic in front of the town to ask this, to let believe you don't know it
I didn't write that you said jandal was the doctor, but just a thought referring to your reflection
I want to know if it was used or not, and I didn't know if he was going to mention it or not, I honestly don't follow your logic on this at all, how would it benefit me to try and share that knowledge with the town if I was mafia?
What I said is it can easily be a tactic in front of the town to ask this, to let believe you don't know it
Btw you need 2 more votes to end the day
There's 3 votes on me, if I count right, and I thought it only needed 4 which is half to end the day, or does it have to be over half which is 5?
And my point is that if I already know it how does it help me to pretend I don't know it and reveal extra information to the town they didn't already have?
I'd be strengthening the position of those I'm trying to defeat if I was mafia.
A better question is who was it who visited me? I doubt it would have been the doctor, I don't expect to have been an attempted save target, so it suggests it was either the detective or the framer, unfortunately either one makes sense.
Detective to find out if I am town or not, Framer to try and make me seem mafia to implicate both me and Quadsas, unless it was last night after Quadsas died in the day, I didn't get from TMM's post whether it was night 1 or night 2 he was referring to.
Here I agree with you, we need to know who visited you, anyway shouldn't TMM know it? So if none steps forward probably it's better TMM reveals who was it
I didn't write that you said jandal was the doctor, but just a thought referring to your reflection
I want to know if it was used or not, and I didn't know if he was going to mention it or not, I honestly don't follow your logic on this at all, how would it benefit me to try and share that knowledge with the town if I was mafia?
What I said is it can easily be a tactic in front of the town to ask this, to let believe you don't know it
Btw you need 2 more votes to end the day
There's 3 votes on me, if I count right, and I thought it only needed 4 which is half to end the day, or does it have to be over half which is 5?
And my point is that if I already know it how does it help me to pretend I don't know it and reveal extra information to the town they didn't already have?
I'd be strengthening the position of those I'm trying to defeat if I was mafia.
I think with 4 you can get a tie so it's not mathematically over
In my mind the Doctor is dead or Ryant would still be alive (i honestly don't think the Mafia would have used the strongman on him).
We cannot lynch sammy Someone visited him last night.
If it was the framer, we know he's town because the mafia can't frame themselves.
If it was the Detective we know he's innocent or the Detective would have started the lynching on him. And that person has not voted to lynch sammy out of the three who have.
So conclusion, i think BBL, Trekbmc and df_trek are all mafia. I know who visited Sammy, they have not lynched him. So my theory is that person is th Detective and knows they are innocent. I also believe they visited me on night one (a hunch, no real evidence) and know i am innocent. There's three mafia and three lynch votes on him, with the rest of us not being united.
BBL will now have two votes. I am urging the rest of the town to move and lynch BBL.
If i am wrong, we still kill an innocent and we lose in the night, and nothing changes about where the game is going.
If i am right we kill a mafia member and know who the other two are, and we win!
There, that's my piece. I said wait two nights for the Tracker and Detective to get a good read on the game!
In my mind the Doctor is dead or Ryant would still be alive (i honestly don't think the Mafia would have used the strongman on him).
We cannot lynch sammy Someone visited him last night.
If it was the framer, we know he's town because the mafia can't frame themselves.
If it was the Detective we know he's innocent or the Detective would have started the lynching on him. And that person has not voted to lynch sammy out of the three who have.
So conclusion, i think BBL, Trekbmc and df_trek are all mafia. I know who visited Sammy, they have not lynched him. So my theory is that person is th Detective and knows they are innocent. I also believe they visited me on night one (a hunch, no real evidence) and know i am innocent. There's three mafia and three lynch votes on him, with the rest of us not being united.
BBL will now have two votes. I am urging the rest of the town to move and lynch BBL.
If i am wrong, we still kill an innocent and we lose in the night, and nothing changes about where the game is going.
If i am right we kill a mafia member and know who the other two are, and we win!
There, that's my piece. I said wait two nights for the Tracker and Detective to get a good read on the game!
Lynch none
Or your is one of the best mafia speculations (but imo is ot likely), or your point on Sammy is really good.
Btw remain the doubt that the detective scanned the godfather and found him clean, but this deserve more time to hear someone else.
I'm removing my vote because in one point you are wrong, I'm not mafia and if there are some mafia members missing their vote can easily kill sammy
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