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Vuelta al Pais Vasco Discussion
jandal7
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Posted on 21-09-2018 08:31
Vuelta Ciclista al Pais Vasco
4 Hilly (2 HTF) | 1 ITT (Hilly) | 1 TTT

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A mainstay of cycling over the years, the Vuelta al Pais Vasco is lining up its 58th edition this year and its 11th under the MGUCI reign. A race for the puncheurs, which will be broken up as well by a 29km team time trial, and a 18km ITT with a tough hill at the end - so the puncheurs shouldn't be conceding too much to the chrono men or stage racers. With two hilltop finishes, and the always tough terrain of the Basque Country, this is one tough route.

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Aegon - LavazzaThurauBjörn7558
Aegon - LavazzaBoomLars7477
Aegon - LavazzaGallopinTony7475
Aegon - LavazzaHofstetterHugo6964
Aegon - LavazzaDumoulinTom6878
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Aker - MOTBeltranEduard Alexander8166
Aker - MOTVakocPetr8069
Aker - MOTHagenCarl Fredrik7565
Aker - MOTHoBurr7373
Aker - MOTPaillotYoann7180
Aker - MOTVangstadAndreas7077
Aker - MOTAmezawaTakeaki7063
Aker - MOTWalslebenPhilipp6675
Bennelong - MitcheltonBobridgeJack8377
Bennelong - MitcheltonWatsonCalvin7868
Bennelong - MitcheltonDennisRohan7578
Bennelong - MitcheltonPhelanAdam7470
Bennelong - MitcheltonDyballBenjamin7375
Bennelong - MitcheltonHepburnMichael6679
Bennelong - MitcheltonWohlerAlex6676
Bennelong - MitcheltonDempsterZakkari6479
DesigualGebrezgabihierAmanuel7766
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DesigualOliveiraNelson7378
DesigualFraileOmar7279
DesigualSiriwardenaKashyapa7270
DesigualJonesCarter7269
DesigualEatonDaniel6875
DesigualVeronaCarlos6277
EA VesuvioGastauerBen8266
EA VesuvioFritschSven7665
EA VesuvioPaterskiMaciej7561
EA VesuvioGhaniMuhammad Suhaimi7265
EA VesuvioHeymesGilles7173
EA VesuvioJungelsBob6878
EA VesuvioKneiskyMorgan6776
EA VesuvioKittelMarcel6481
Euskaltel - EliorCarusoDamiano7857
Euskaltel - EliorZingleRomain7768
Euskaltel - EliorLe GacOlivier7760
Euskaltel - EliorVan den BroeckJurgen7271
Euskaltel - EliorCornuDominique7180
Euskaltel - EliorGauduDavid7065
Euskaltel - EliorVincentLéo6967
Euskaltel - EliorCastrilloJaime6669
Evonik - ELKOSkujinsToms8359
Evonik - ELKOSmirnovsAndris7756
Evonik - ELKOBekmanisIndulis7569
Evonik - ELKODe VreeseLaurens7260
Evonik - ELKOBudenieksKristaps7163
Evonik - ELKOLienhardFabian7065
Evonik - ELKONeilandsKrists6763
Evonik - ELKOEislersIngus6659
GazelleGinanniFrancesco8264
GazelleKangertTanel7777
GazelleBibbyIan7677
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GazelleJanse van RensburgJacques7370
GazelleBoaroManuele7177
GazelleDe GendtThomas7076
GazelleFejesGabor7075
Generali - EDFUlissiDiego8062
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Generali - EDFKorenKristjan7478
Generali - EDFBilleGaëtan7473
Generali - EDFKungStefan7377
Generali - EDFOvechkinArtem7076
Generali - EDFGhyselinckJan6877
Generali - EDFVivianiElia6679
Grieg - EftelBakelantsJan8467
Grieg - EftelVinkMichael7569
Grieg - EftelRaileanuCristian7563
Grieg - EftelLaengenVegard Stake7376
Grieg - EftelIturriaMikel7372
Grieg - EftelOlssonMichael7371
Grieg - EftelGillettRhys7270
Grieg - EftelDe BodStefan6971
Isostar SlovenijaMohoricMatej8164
Isostar SlovenijaKratochvilaJakub7770
Isostar SlovenijaPernsteinerHermann7761
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Isostar SlovenijaWyssMarcel7569
Isostar SlovenijaLaasMartin7462
Isostar SlovenijaGroseljZiga7372
Isostar SlovenijaKalabaDusan6869
Kraftwerk Man MachineMehr-WenigeDietmar7863
Kraftwerk Man MachinePaulusDaniel7764
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Kraftwerk Man MachinePolittNils6576
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Kulczyk - DMTEXTzortzakisPolychronis6375
Kulczyk - DMTEXGoddaertKristof6076
Kulczyk - DMTEXBarthMarcel5877
Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeamWaeytensZico8065
Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeamMosconGianni7766
Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeamDall'OsteDaniele7667
Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeamCernyJosef7568
Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeamOomenSam7270
Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeamDe PlusLaurens7262
Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeamVan AertWout6568
Lierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeamMareczkoJakub6056
Meiji - JR EastMutsumineWataru7564
Meiji - JR EastHatanakaYusuke7562
Meiji - JR EastKubokiKazushige7375
Meiji - JR EastShirotaYamato7358
Meiji - JR EastTsubakiHiroshi7063
Meiji - JR EastZhaoJingbiao6465
Meiji - JR EastArashiroYudai6462
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Moser - SygicSaganPeter8268
Moser - SygicMaryczJaroslaw7569
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Moser - SygicPradoIgnacio Jesus7272
Moser - SygicCinkOndrej7268
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Moser - SygicDanacikJakub7176
Moser - SygicTurekDaniel6877
Netia - VóninRabottiniMatteo7665
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Netia - VóninStachowiakAdam7561
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Philips - ContinentalCostaRui8076
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Philips - ContinentalPantano GómezJarlinson7154
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Podium AmbitionYatesSimon7768
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T-MobileVan GarderenTejay8269
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Team RedditZmorkaMarlen6682
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Team RedditCanelonHersony5753
Team UBSTrofimovYuri8175
Team UBSReichenbachSebastien7967
Team UBSRamos TiconaBasilio7475
Team UBSGoncalvesJose7178
Team UBSBraicoAlexandr7074
Team UBSIvarsSébastien6977
Team UBSSchärMichael6976
Team UBSDillierSilvan6480

RiderHLTTACRS3TRiderHLTTACRS3T
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_bnm.png Bobridge83778074*****pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_gzl.png Kangert77777275****
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_grg.png Bakelant84677878***pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_akm.png Vakoc80697471***
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_ubs.png Trofimov81757375*****pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_gnr.png Ulissi80627571?
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_aeg.png De Bie83727576****pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_gzl.png Bibby76777174****
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_tmo.png TJVG82697975****pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_npn.png Klemme80676670***
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_mos.png Sagan82687674***pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_kul.png Barbin78637673****
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_phc.png Costa80767272**pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_lpu.png Waeytens80657370**
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_akm.png Beltran81667672***pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_kul.png Vanendert77707173****
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_evo.png Skujins83597677*pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_t3a.png Yates77688070*
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_gzl.png Ginanni82647377****pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_phc.png Navardau.75767074**
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_eav.png Gastauer82667670***pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_nvo.png Konovalov.75747374**
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_iso.png Mohoric81647772**pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_bnm.png Watson78687272*****

Quite the lineup here from both the PCT and PT teams, but really it's the PT teams who take the cake here, with just one real favourite in pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_phc.png Costa from the PCT. There's no one clear top favourite, but it's probably pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_bnm.png Jack Bobridge who will go into the race as the most marked man given his excellent combination of great uphill skill, a good chrono pedigree and maybe the best TTT team in the race. The best puncheur is probably pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_grg.png Bakelants, who is a great bet to double up for Grieg (following EBH last year) with a decent TTT and ITT behind him.

Behind them are pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_ubs.png Trofimov and pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_aeg.png De Bie, two guys with solid chrono skills and a great team for the opening stage. pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_tmo.png Van Garderen and pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_mos.png Sagan are in the same boat but a little further behind - but the former as an ex-winner of this race obviously has the skills to do it. Meanwhile, Philips' new hope pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_phc.png Costa will hope for a great ITT and solid performances in the hills to keep up and break into the top 5.

Aside from any miracle rides, you can't really see any other winners - there are other top puncheurs here but they will be hindered by the two TTs. pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_evo.png Skujins is the obvious choice: one of the world's top puncheurs, but he has the odds stacked against him with his pretty crap TT skill. At least his team won't drop him, because they're Evonik. Someone who probably will get dropped on day one is pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_gnr.png Ulissi. A good bet for a stage win at least if he gets a free role after, or a decent GC placing. If he worked on his TT skills or Generali sacrificed a little to help him out (which who knows, they may have done) then maybe he could push for the top ten, but he's still a pretty awful chrono rider.

Other interesting names around are pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_iso.png Mohoric, a very safe bet for the youth jersey, and the Gazelle duo of pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_gzl.png Kangert and pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_gzl.png Bibby, riders with very good ability against the clock, solid climbing and a great TTT squad who can push for the top 10 or better depending on how the race goes. However it will be interesting to see team tactics given they have brought the better uphill, but less good in a TT, pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_gzl.png Ginanni here as well.

Stage Hunters:
TT GuysTTRESHILPunchy SprintersHILSPRACC
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_red.png Zmorka827566pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_mji.png Kuboki737777
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_eav.png Kittel817064pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_t3a.png Alaphilippe737777
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_eue.png Cornu807571pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_t3a.png Yates777580
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_akm.png Paillot807471pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_phc.png Navardauskas757570
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_npn.png Sergent807469pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_lpu.png Cerny757479
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_ubs.png Dillier807764pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_mos.png Marycz757377
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_des.png Fraile797672Team526-8
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_eav.png Kittel817064pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_bnm.png Bennelong-Mitchelton787971
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_bnm.png Dennis787575pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_ubs.png Team UBS777972
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_gnr.png Koren787574pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_gnr.png Generali - EDF777869
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_des.png Oliveira787573pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_des.png Desigual777868
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_aeg.png Boom777574pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2018/Micro/mg18_gzl.png Gazelle767768

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matt17br
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Posted on 21-09-2018 08:45
Yep we did sacrifice some TT strength indeed. Which saddens me, because this means we likely won't win the TTT with the likes of Jaycolong/Gazelle etc. but hopefully also implies that Ulissi doesn't get dropped. Well at least not immediately.

Not gonna lie, I already kind of regret this choice because it's hard to imagine Ulissi getting a huge result here while we could have got a guaranteed win, but if it doesn't end up working this will at least have served as a lesson that there's just no way for things to end up in your favour when Ulissi is paired with any time trialist at all.

Also Koren might just take over as a leader if Ulissi ends up sucking immediately, who knows, my team is pretty well rounded to support him and maybe have him push above his weight even if slightly.

Thanks jandal, looking forward to this.
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tsmoha
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Posted on 21-09-2018 08:49
Need to win the TTT, need to win the GC, need to score big time.

Simple as that. Still remember last year's disappointment though and the new season already does not bode well, too.. Pressure, guys. That's pressure.

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trekbmc
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Posted on 21-09-2018 08:50
Ah, the classic, I think we'll do something but actually no we won't race! With Rabottini, Honkisz, Stachowiak, Kono and Bernas all 75-76 hill, hypothetically we should be a bit aggressive and maybe hope for a stage win or the KOM jersey and a GC top 20 from Konovolavas. In reality we'll be lucky to join breaks, finish up with our best rider 45th and maybe 6th in the KOM classification, with nothing resembling a stage win. But we'll be third at the first time check in the TTT! I do totally deserve that for sending a weak squad though. Pfft

Bobridge has to win this, there's not really a question there, will be interesting to see how the other spots shape up though. Thanks for the preview jandal! I laughed too much at the question mark next to Ulissi, poor Matt. Pfft



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Vien
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Posted on 21-09-2018 08:52
Really wanted to send Lutsenko here at first, but decided not to when I realized he'd have terrible teammates. So all we have left now is Zmorka and some breakaway possibilities. Therefore, all of my eyes will be on stage 5. Hoping for a win there!
 
AbhishekLFC
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Posted on 21-09-2018 09:25
Costa has been placed a lot higher in the favourite's list than I would've expected with all those top PT punchers on the startlist. The TTT team is decent but nothing to worry anyone. If we do get a good result out of this, it would really help get over a horrible February. Not sure what to expect from the others because they've not shown anything to get excited about yet this season.

Had reported this race last season and it was a cracker, with each stage having a new GC leader at the end of it, five different GC leaders and the one rider who actually held the jersey twice eventually finishing off the podium. Hope for another such event!

Thanks for the great preview Jandal and look forward to the race Grin
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Posted on 21-09-2018 09:29
trekbmc wrote:
Ah, the classic, I think we'll do something but actually no we won't race! With Rabottini, Honkisz, Stachowiak, Kono and Bernas all 75-76 hill, hypothetically we should be a bit aggressive and maybe hope for a stage win or the KOM jersey and a GC top 20 from Konovolavas. In reality we'll be lucky to join breaks, finish up with our best rider 45th and maybe 6th in the KOM classification, with nothing resembling a stage win. But we'll be third at the first time check in the TTT! I do totally deserve that for sending a weak squad though. Pfft

Bobridge has to win this, there's not really a question there, will be interesting to see how the other spots shape up though. Thanks for the preview jandal! I laughed too much at the question mark next to Ulissi, poor Matt. Pfft

Come on trek, don't exaggerate. Your TTT team isn't that good Rolling EyesPfft
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Posted on 21-09-2018 10:09
Well given that none of Caruso, Zingle or Le Gac are able to TT whatsoever I can't say I'm hoping for too much here as we're also going to lose about an hour in the TTT. I do however hope that we go for the breakaways and the KOM as a breakaway stage win would be great here.

Cornu here with hopes that he can do well in the TT stage but it won't be easy given there are multiple strong TT riders here.
 
tastasol
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Posted on 21-09-2018 10:10
No Ponzi and no EBH makes this a great opportunity for Bakelants. Hopefully he won't be dropped and can try to get close to the leader's jersey before the ITT. Of course hoping he can win, but he would need to take a lot of time on Bobridge for that to happen. Would love to see him getting his first win on a stage here.
 
trekbmc
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Posted on 21-09-2018 10:12
jandal7 wrote:
trekbmc wrote:
Ah, the classic, I think we'll do something but actually no we won't race! With Rabottini, Honkisz, Stachowiak, Kono and Bernas all 75-76 hill, hypothetically we should be a bit aggressive and maybe hope for a stage win or the KOM jersey and a GC top 20 from Konovolavas. In reality we'll be lucky to join breaks, finish up with our best rider 45th and maybe 6th in the KOM classification, with nothing resembling a stage win. But we'll be third at the first time check in the TTT! I do totally deserve that for sending a weak squad though. Pfft

Bobridge has to win this, there's not really a question there, will be interesting to see how the other spots shape up though. Thanks for the preview jandal! I laughed too much at the question mark next to Ulissi, poor Matt. Pfft

Come on trek, don't exaggerate. Your TTT team isn't that good Rolling EyesPfft


We've done it several times before, we just always end up 12th! Pfft



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TheManxMissile
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Posted on 21-09-2018 10:35
We could get a stage win here, but i reckon that's about all we could achieve. Yates is good and i love him, but he's not capable of battling at this sort of level. Maybe a few breaks would be a nice confidence boost!
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Posted on 21-09-2018 11:03
Skujins is usually the consistency in person finishing always top ten but rarely getting the big win and id be completely fine with that here as well. This race is too tt heavy to expect anything more than that.

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Posted on 21-09-2018 11:36
Let's see if that TT training for Waeytens pays off Pfft
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Bushwackers
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Posted on 21-09-2018 11:56
Bobridge and Bennelong look like the favorites for the GC and TTT. We really need a podium in the TTT and for Trofimov to finish in the top-5 to consider this a success.
 
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Posted on 21-09-2018 12:14
We come here with big expectations, I must admit. Especially as both stage 3 and 6 look to be slightly affected by the mountain stat too, making Beltran's Hill/mountain combination valuable. Then there's also stage 2 and the downhill finish there, which suit him very well.

The TT and the TTT are obviously our big weaknesses here, but hopefully we can do decent damage limitation in stage 1, and then play it aggressive with both Beltran and Vakoc on the hilly stages.

Also a very nice and informative preview, especially liked the team overview with hill and TT stat listed for all riders Smile
 
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Posted on 21-09-2018 13:09
Despite Bennelong probably being one of my competitors for the relegation spots, I will be rooting for Bobridge here. I think luck need to be on their side soon.
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Posted on 21-09-2018 13:14
Hoping for a much needed podium here. With Gallopin, Boom, Zardini and Thurau support in the hills is as good as it can get.
Dumoulin and Frison in addition for the TTT.

Top5 is minimum though and everything below would be disappointing.

Also maybe better stage results for additional points as De Bie in Tirreno was more consistency and less stage results that delivered the good placement.

Looking forward to the results.
 
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Posted on 21-09-2018 13:50
Expected the competition would be too tough for Flugel so sent the B team hoping for some breakaway success.
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Posted on 21-09-2018 13:54
Hope that little bump in the TTT tires some track TT guys in other teams, just like in Copenhagen Malmo. But it's probably not steep enough.

Other than that we're mostly just looking to get some stage success with Ginanni and a decent GC out of Kangert and Bibby.
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Posted on 22-09-2018 12:00
For fuck's sake, Ulissi almost made it to the finish with the rest of the team, only gets dropped with 4 km to go in fact, and loses 2'34" in 4 damn kilometres?? If it takes 34'54" to cover 28.7 km that means the average speed is about 50 km/h right? It took a bit less than 5 minutes for the team to cover the last 4 kms and Ulissi does that same thing in 7 minutes and a half? 32 km/h or so? As a professional cyclist? I paid Ulissi €7555 for this particular race day and he just kinda strolls past the finish line slower than I would after being carried for the first 25 kms? He was so much worse than Ginanni, who really looked like he at least put in some efforts in order not to lose quite nearly as much from his own teammates...

And we didn't even win the damn stage! We finished with the same time as 3 other teams! Great! Could be worse, sure, we could have been 4th, but it still stings because this is not really my A-TTTeam and we even won last year I believe. Still, not a huge point loss, and congrats UBS, I was prepared to lose this TTT in a way or another considering the planning, hopefully we can make up some points back in the coming stages!

Plus I don't understand, are we 2nd or 3rd?

and UBS are the winners! They made it to the finish a hair faster than Desigual. Generali are third, Aegon "only" manage fourth. What a finish!

Then Generali and Desigual very close to tied - in fact Viviani with a better GC time than anyone from Desigual, but it's all about the fifth man.

6Elia VivianiGenerali - EDFs.t.
7Carlos VeronaDesiguals.t.
8Daniel TeklehaimanotDesiguals.t.
9Kristjan KorenGenerali - EDFs.t.
10Nelson OliveiraDesiguals.t.
11Artem OvechkinGenerali - EDFs.t.
12Daniel EatonDesiguals.t.
13Jan GhyselinckGenerali - EDFs.t.
14GaÃŽtan BilleGenerali - EDFs.t.
15Omar FraileDesiguals.t.

Bille is my 5th man and Fraile is Desigual's 5th, so surely we would be 2nd? PCM is awful at exporting results, so I'm not going to blame you for the confusion, but I'd like this to be cleared up a bit Pfft Or I get it maybe, perhaps the TT standings during the race had Desigual ahead of us and the exports after corrected that like it often happens.

Well shit happens, and maybe Ulissi will be more aggressive in stage 2 and on, like he's been in other races (at a lower level, admittedly). Hopefully Koren being high in the standings gives him a lil boost too.

Thanks for the amazing report though, jandal. TTT are awful to report and you really made this one justice: wish PCM learnt that it's unlikely to see teams finish with the same time after >25 kms, this is far from the first time it happens.
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