I meant good for me, as I no longer have to defend a theory I no longer believed in myself for the sake of what I'm about to explain below, of course it's bad news for us that we lost our detective.
I tend to get suck into characters when playing this game. This time I wanted to share an alternative unlikely theory. It could've been that the mafia decided to sacrifice wsf (because of inactivity) and have Ian claim the role of detective. The attack in the night was staged, based on the assumption that the doctor was still alive and would protect Ian (which is far-fetched but not entirely impossible). Then Ian would only come up with town readings in order to protect himself and remaining mafia buddy. Obviously there were a lot of flaws in this theory and everyone who has disagreed with me and told me I was crazy is absolutely right. I'm fake news.
Wait, what? I don't think it's even possible to attack other mafia member in the night. Maybe you can clarify this jandal, even for next games can be somehow useful, although it's so risky for the mafia that i would feel it very stupid
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant." [ICL] Santos-Euskadi | [PT] Xero Racing
Marcovdw wrote: I would like to suggest the following: everyone who has not actively disagreed/disproved my theory is suspicious to me, because a mafia would like a townie to who openly questions the detective.
Which leaves bbl, hillis, Bikex, Selwink. I believe hillis to be the CC. Selwink can be eliminated if the Mafia doesn't lynch someone in the night when he's said to be inactive. Leaving only two suspects for me at the moment. Flip of the coin decides:
Lynch baseballlover312
baseballlover312 wrote:
I'll also say I've thought Marcovdw had been pretty suspicious with his theories not making much sense with the game at hand, but that's all I have to go on.
This has to be the most insane logic I've ever heard of in my entire life. I don't even know how to respond. Not only are you just factually incorrect - I did call you out, as I've quoted. The reason I didn't do so earlier is because it was so insane and immediately discounted that I forgot you were still pulling for it. We unanimously confirmed Ian as detective days ago. We had better leads to go on until today anyway, so it wasn't worth our attention.
Well, you've certainly surpassed Bikex in my mind now. He's done some random, suspicious stuff, but this is unfiltered insanity. I figured you were just a really out there townie, but this has to be the wackiest BS I've ever seen somebody pull. We're supposed to accept that you came up with this stupid theory as some sort of test or something? Or we're supposed to be responsible to call you out for your idiocy, but you aren't supposed to be held responsible for the idiocy itself? What kind of contrived crap is this? I'm at a loss.
Lynch Marcovdw
As I've said before, most important part here isn't that I don't get lynched, but that you hear me out and take the initiative once I'm dead.
Keywords for you my friend: before the terrorist move. You called me out after the terrorist move was completed, at which it's pretty convenient to blame me. But I never heard you doubt me before that, which in my mind could be because you were happy it drew attention away from the mafia.
Full quote from the previous page, because bbl seems to have omitted the bolded part:
I would like to suggest the following: everyone who has not actively disagreed/disproved my theory is suspicious to me, because a mafia would like a townie to who openly questions the detective, in the hope some people would go along with it. Aquarius97, ryant and trekbmc are in the clear for now for doing so before the terrorist move.
*A fight during a mafia meeting end up with xxx being murdered at the hands of the other mafia members. It turned out to be the terrorist, who before dying was able to bomb himself and another mafia member. The godfather surrenders and runs away from the town*
First of all a huge thanks to knockout for hosting superbly while I was away at short notice!
Night 6:
After a dramatic day saw a suicide attack by Raziz on Ian Butler, there was a third death after almost half of the town voted to lynch baseballlover312. Unluckily for them, he was pro-town!
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant." [ICL] Santos-Euskadi | [PT] Xero Racing
Day 6:
Getting the midnight munchies, hillis91 decided to go to his kitchen and sneak a donut. Unfortunately for him, it was laced with too much arsenic for his body to handle. The mafia strikes again.
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant." [ICL] Santos-Euskadi | [PT] Xero Racing
Since I feel I will inevitabely be lynched, consider these my final words before the executioner chops my head off.
I'm a townie. A regular townsman without powers. I played this game in a way in what I thought was a smart manner, and it has brought me this far. But it turns out I lost balance and now I'm too suspicious. I don't blame you, if someone else did what I did I would be suspicious of him as well. If you don't lynch me today and the Godfather keeps me alive on the next night then we're doomed, because you will suspect me again.
Here's my piece of advise for the final days, as someone who has seen it before:
-When I'm dead and the Godfather kills another one of you, it's 3 versus 1. To increase your chances, lynch no one tomorrow (in game time) to increase your chances of catching the killer. Look back at edition four on how that went down.
-There might be a gun in the game, and if it's in the hands of the Godfather you'll have to not execute the above because the Godfather will first kill then use his gun and win. So if the gunsmith is alive, the town would be better off if he could disclose who he may have given a gun to.
-If, in a gunless situation, the final three are A (Godfather), B and C, consider the following:
First B lynches C or C lynches B, then the godfather will automatically follow and the game is over.
If B or C lynches A, then A will lynch that person back, since the other person must be lynched by two votes because the godfather has a worse tiebraker.
If A lynches B or C, then B and C will both have to lynch A to win the game
If you want to know who I think is the Godfather, I honestly can't tell you. Not that I don't want to but because I genuinely have no idea. It could be anyone of you.
No need to write such a post, the day is still long and a lot can happen. You won’t necessarily be lynched. I for example am not convinced you are mafia, I tend to believe you are a townie.
Sorry for leading the lynch mob to lynch bbl a townie. I stated why I thought he’s the godfather and also his reaction to my post was quite bad. The post in which he attacked Marco was the first one which seemed like a post by a townie. Unfortunately that came too late.
I agree with Marco on this idea of not lynching either "today" or "tomorrow" to increase our chances in the final day. Adding to that, i think that today should be the day of not lynching, as there's a higher chance of lynching the godfather between 5 players than between 6.
That's why i'm doing this. Lynch nobody
Marco's post is quite weird, as he's begging to be lynched, which can back-fire to those who would lynch him if he turns out to be pro-town. But we can think about it later i guess
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant." [ICL] Santos-Euskadi | [PT] Xero Racing
I agree with the above. Lynching noone now, will most likely increase our chances. Also I'm quite certain now, that the doctor is already dead, so we won't win anything from hoping for a doctor save. Hillis was just such an obvious target, I doubt the doctor would have missed that.
For now, I'll just have a question for trekbmc:
trekbmc wrote:
Besides that, I share your sentiments ifor Marco, with him putting suspicions on Ian and your points on BBL are quite convincing, I'll hold my vote for the moment though. I want to hear out the discussion a little more and see what others say.
Can you please explain why you didn't vote to lynch anyone after this post? The town was mostly agreeing that we should lynch someone. I find it hard to find a good reason on why you wouldn't cast your vote.
Not voting seems a lot like, you liked where the discussion was heading, but didn't want to show you did.
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant." [ICL] Santos-Euskadi | [PT] Xero Racing
Day 7:
After the town's brave decision to let the mafia narrow the stakes, the latter took the bait and killed off the spearhead of that plan Marcovdw.
Apologies for my forgetting this. Too excited when I realised I did send Jams to Juarez 48 hours still.
24/02/21 - kandesbunzler said “I don't drink famous people."
15/08/22 - SotD said "Your [jandal's] humour is overrated"
11/06/24 - knockout said "Winning is fine I guess. Truth be told this felt completely unimportant." [ICL] Santos-Euskadi | [PT] Xero Racing
Bikex wrote:
I agree with the above. Lynching noone now, will most likely increase our chances. Also I'm quite certain now, that the doctor is already dead, so we won't win anything from hoping for a doctor save. Hillis was just such an obvious target, I doubt the doctor would have missed that.
For now, I'll just have a question for trekbmc:
trekbmc wrote:
Besides that, I share your sentiments ifor Marco, with him putting suspicions on Ian and your points on BBL are quite convincing, I'll hold my vote for the moment though. I want to hear out the discussion a little more and see what others say.
Can you please explain why you didn't vote to lynch anyone after this post? The town was mostly agreeing that we should lynch someone. I find it hard to find a good reason on why you wouldn't cast your vote.
Not voting seems a lot like, you liked where the discussion was heading, but didn't want to show you did.
Yeah, that did look a bit off.
I was planning on reading through the thread fully before a cast my vote because I legitimately had no clue who it would be, but I needed to wait until later when I had more time to read through the thread. Then I saw Aquarius' post suggested that we don't lynch and his logic about that and I agreed with it, because statistically it gives us the best odds of finding the mafia, maybe I should've made a post agreeing with him the clarify that, but I didn't think it was necessary.
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Now that we do 100% need to lynch though, I'll give my thoughts on the remaining members:
ryant - He's pretty much confirmed in my eyes, picked up Raziz (though there was suspicion on him) and I've got a good vibe from him, I don't reckon he's mafia.
Bikex - I'd say I trust him more than I don't, as I'm getting the vibe that he's a townie, given he was willing to get into conflict and act on his suspicions, which I think is important, although things that make him suspicious for me is him voting to lynch me off logic I didn't really follow (granted, it can be hard to understand why somebody would want to lynch yourself ) and him raising his suspicions and casting a vote for Aquarius (which I think is a townie move) but then backing down and not following it up (which of course could be self-perseveration when the tide turned on him, although you'd feel like now with only 5 players left if he harboured the same suspicions he would be campaigning for his lynching again, but then again, maybe he doesn't).
Aquarius - Again getting the townie vibe, but he has avoided conflict, only really getting into it when bikex accused him, this does raise a red flag for me as a mafia member would want to avoid conflict but on the other hand, he was the first lynch vote for wsf, he has made lots of posts, but I don't think I've ever seen him raise a suspicion. Still seems like he's trying to help the town mainly though.
Selwink - Been staying under the radar with very few posts, of course he's busy, but that is quite suspect as well as it keeps you safe as mafia.
I'm going to vote to lynch Selwink right now although I could obviously be swayed by more discussion as I'm very unsure. Especially on who it is if Selwink turns out to be innocent.
I'd like to make a note about my posts as well, particularly for Aquarius and bikex I've written long things, but really they are just thoughts that merit/demerit your 'townieness' in my head, obviously it is easy to rebut and I've rebutted it a lot myself, which is why I think you're both townies (and hence am voting Selwink rather than one of you) but I'm just airing my thoughts because, there's every chance I'm found dead tomorrow.
Weird kill imo, why did the godfather kill marco? Because he asked for it to be killed? Otherwise he'd have been in the mix of guys lynched today. At least I got confirmation now, that my last feeling about him being a townie was correct.
Bikex wrote:
I agree with the above. Lynching noone now, will most likely increase our chances. Also I'm quite certain now, that the doctor is already dead, so we won't win anything from hoping for a doctor save. Hillis was just such an obvious target, I doubt the doctor would have missed that.
For now, I'll just have a question for trekbmc:
trekbmc wrote:
Besides that, I share your sentiments ifor Marco, with him putting suspicions on Ian and your points on BBL are quite convincing, I'll hold my vote for the moment though. I want to hear out the discussion a little more and see what others say.
Can you please explain why you didn't vote to lynch anyone after this post? The town was mostly agreeing that we should lynch someone. I find it hard to find a good reason on why you wouldn't cast your vote.
Not voting seems a lot like, you liked where the discussion was heading, but didn't want to show you did.
Yeah, that did look a bit off.
I was planning on reading through the thread fully before a cast my vote because I legitimately had no clue who it would be, but I needed to wait until later when I had more time to read through the thread. Then I saw Aquarius' post suggested that we don't lynch and his logic about that and I agreed with it, because statistically it gives us the best odds of finding the mafia, maybe I should've made a post agreeing with him the clarify that, but I didn't think it was necessary.
Honestly that doesn't help me at all to clear the suspicions about you in my mind. Why would you justify you not casting a lynch vote, with a post by Aquarius he made a day later?
Somehow I get the feeling that this is a made up excuse, which would basically leave only one conclusion: You are the godfather!
I lead the town into lynching a townie before, so won't start following my gut again right away and will keep my lynch vote back until I have heard more from the others. Also I don't have much time at the moment to really make up my mind, hope I'll find some at a later point.
Sorry, I don't quite follow your logic, it takes a while to read through the 13 pages in the thread and I didn't feel properly educated to make the lynch vote being so unsure until I had read it (still I don't feel like I know at all), so I planning to do it late in the 'day' (the mafia one, not the real one) when I had more time, before I had done that, Aquarius posted his suggestion and I agreed with that, so I put off reading the thread again. (I have read it now though).
48 hours still.
