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| ember |
Posted on 15-11-2017 19:43
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Hmm, Beltran is looking more and more like a miss in the PT, which is unfortunate. It was always going to be a gamble, but when he misses out completely on such a stage, I'm not too optimistic for the rest of the season, to put it mildly.
Very interesting to see the fight at the front between the favourites. Surprise win from Lutsenko, who has put some serious pressure on Bakelants for the overall win. Should be a tense final stage with only seven seconds separating them.
Good to see Hoelgaard join the breakaway though. Hopefully we'll try again in the final stage, as breakaway success seems to be our only option for a good stage result here, looking at Beltran's performances.
And thank you for the report, Aquarius97! Well written and covered the most important parts of the stage very well, I'd say. Though, I'd have liked a slightly better overview for each KoM sprint and how the points were distributed there. Of course I'm biased seeing Hoelgaaard was in the mix ( ), but I still think it's nice for all managers to get an overview of that when reading through the report. At least definitely for those having an interest in the KoM jersey, which I guess most teams/riders have at this stage, seeing how many points are given on the final stage. |
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| Aquarius97 |
Posted on 15-11-2017 20:06
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Yeah, i understand. But also given that only a couple of riders of those in the break were actually fighting for the KoM, it didn't make sense to put all points in all climbs from riders with 0 points before the stage.
Anyway, in the final stage, neither there will be all the KoM points in the report, but a provisional KoM standings after some of climbs with all riders that are fighting for it will be there. I think it's better, as it shows exactly how the KoM fight is, without you having to calculate anything
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| Roman |
Posted on 15-11-2017 21:16
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Another nice ride from Kulhavy, great to see him getting provisional KoM jersey for the last stage of the race.
Also at least a decent result for Vakoc, although a few more secs gained on the main field would mean a move into the top 10...
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 15-11-2017 22:00
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Tough stage. Both Ginanni and Bobridge collapsing heavily is not a pretty sight either for Gazelle or Jayco. This could be an ugly month for both teams. I hope the last stage can secure them a reasonable result at least.
On our side Reis is overperforming amazingly. Arriving in Bobridge's group is superb. He might just snatch that top20.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 15-11-2017 22:29
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This is one weird ass race.
Boswell is less than one minute behind the last place in the top 10, but given how passive he was so far I doubt he'll be able to improve his GC position in the last stage.
Which leaves me with one wish for the last stage - Calmejane goes into the breakaway and both Kulhavy and Declerq miss out
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| Shonak |
Posted on 15-11-2017 22:46
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jeez, I am pleased by Bakelants and the team's performance but to lose this race against Lutsenko now when you are ahead of Ginanni, Bobridge and Ponzi is just rather disappointing. Well, gratz to pendeltons. Hope we give them a run for their money on the last day as well. Thanks for the report, Aquarius.
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| jph27 |
Posted on 15-11-2017 23:16
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Has Bellis crashed or does he now have 68HIL in the DB instead of 78?  |
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| OlegTinkov |
Posted on 15-11-2017 23:42
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Good stage by Trofimov (and Zakarin), will be hard to defend his podium place with Ponzi only 6 sec behind. Looks like there in an intermediate sprint in the last 10km, should be interesting. And thanks again for the reports!
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| fjhoekie |
Posted on 16-11-2017 08:17
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Well, that is sad... From a good race with solid points and strong riding to absolutely nothing on the final day...
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| SotD |
Posted on 16-11-2017 08:20
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Yeah, that is just beautiful. Koretzky doing shit-all all race long, and then in the final Coppel crashes from 8th to outside the top 30. There goes all chances of closing Moser. Bullshit!
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| OlegTinkov |
Posted on 16-11-2017 08:24
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Amazing after being 3rd in Badaling, Trofimov again on the podium! Thank you Aquarius97 for the race reports.
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| tsmoha |
Posted on 16-11-2017 08:24
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Well, at least a stage podium. But this crash made me close the tab for a few seconds!
We came here with a Top-5 as the minimal goal, which Bobridge failed to achieve with that one bad day, that can happen to anyone at anytime and race. It still hurts, as he had a prime GC position after the TT. It's probably too less overall, but at least a 6th in GC ain't a total disaster. And we had a few days in yellow.
Mark O'Brien with a great result though! 24th in GC is way above my expectations, it seems he was Bobridge biggest support, when Lowe had done his work. Pretty awesome result for someone, who will have only 10 racedays (or so) with the team this year 
Thanks for the reports, even though I would have preferred a better outcome once again 
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| roturn |
Posted on 16-11-2017 08:27
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Very good race for me.
3 stage wins with Swift and 5th with De Bie.
Totally fulfilling my hopes for this race, actually with at least one stage more even.
A bit of a pity that Villella clearly must have crashed. From ~20th to 51st on last two stages. Normally should have been in the front group today as well similar to the 5th? stage.
Thurau as well dropped from top30 to 45th and hence losing small points and 3rd in the team ranking mid race. But nothing to be sad about seeing the 2 leaders did very well.
Very happy with the Point jersey as well. Getting 3 stage wins should be rewarded with it.
Was worried a lot with Lutsenko doing that good. Congrats wacko on this. Deserved win as he was super strong. Unlucky for tsmoha indeed as Bobridge in the GC lead wasn`t expected to lose it again.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 16-11-2017 08:31
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alexkr00 wrote:
Which leaves me with one wish for the last stage - Calmejane goes into the breakaway and both Kulhavy and Declerq miss out
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| Tamijo |
Posted on 16-11-2017 08:34
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Got this idea that The Pendleton's will have a great season this year !
It is started ! Congratulations.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 16-11-2017 08:35
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Gratz to wacko, well deserved. Overall I am happy with Strava performance here but could have been more with some luck etc. If Jan had kept Lutsenko in check yesterday, we could have had our first PT GC. Alas, is what is, it's just a annoying since these are the points we desperately need. Guess you win some and lose some though. Thanks for some terrific reports, Aquarius, always entertaining to read. Much appreciated.
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| Aquarius97 |
Posted on 16-11-2017 08:35
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SotD wrote:
Yeah, that is just beautiful. Koretzky doing shit-all all race long, and then in the final Coppel crashes from 8th to outside the top 30. There goes all chances of closing Moser. Bullshit!
Like if Vakoc didn't have to retire for 12th in the final stage...
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| SotD |
Posted on 16-11-2017 08:48
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Aquarius97 wrote:
SotD wrote:
Yeah, that is just beautiful. Koretzky doing shit-all all race long, and then in the final Coppel crashes from 8th to outside the top 30. There goes all chances of closing Moser. Bullshit!
Like if Vakoc didn't have to retire for 12th in the final stage...
12th = 59pts
8th = 95pts converted to 15pts
Difference = 21pts
So yeah. I was hit harder. And the fact that I have brought Koretzky (better than Vakoc) and Coppel here to lead, should give me a better result than Moser. Should be evident really... What I should have gained in the final results was lost in the crash and the fact that Moser riders scored some random KOM points.
But I'm not unhappy that I'll lose out to Moser, if that is what it comes across as. I'm just pissed at getting shit results due to crashes, like most people are when it happens to them. Nothing else.
I said, already last season, that I really hope my mate Roman will get the win. I won't hand it over to him without a fight, but he is my absolute preferred person in the entire game to get this PT win.
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| Aquarius97 |
Posted on 16-11-2017 08:50
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From the reporter pov, this was clearly not a great race. Some really boring hilly stages, like S5 and S8, a couple of sprint stages, a breakaway one, the TT, and then the only two intereeting stages of the whole race. S4 was ok, with that long range attack from Ginanni to win the stage. Obviously the best stage was S7, with Eritel trying to break the group with 3 climbs left and the great fight in Mende between the leaders.
Congrats to wacko for the GC win. It was a big surprise to see Lutsenko beating everyone in Mende, but it was a deserved win, as the Kazakh was everywhere is the second part of the race, sprinting, taking bonus seconds...
A bit disappointed with Bakelants' race, as he didn't attack once, and only followed others' moves. Anyway, that 2nd place is a reward for his consistency during the race, and despite missing on the biggest points, he still has given Strava a lot of points here.
A shame about the crashes in the final stage, which have denied a couple of riders the chance to finish in the top15. With both title contenders losing one rider in the stage, the most affected is clearly Nemiroff, as they really needed those points to survive this season. 
And thanks for your words in my reports 
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| Aquarius97 |
Posted on 16-11-2017 08:51
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@SotD I didn't try to minimize your points lose, just to point out that Moser has also been affected by crashes in the last stage, and hence your point lose to Moser is not that big
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