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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 28-03-2017 12:34
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sammyt93 wrote:
Plus with the number of 1980 and 1981 guys not in the DB but on WT teams plus the ones still on teams in the DB like Boonen, Valverde, Cummings, Cancellara (who now retired was still at a WT team start of last Mg Season) Rogers (1979, released by Oz last year, was at a WT team start of previous MG season) it might be worth looking at the age decline and changing how it works so it lasts longer but is less harsh season to season.
I'm not saying it should definitely be changed but I think there is at least a discussion to be had about it even if we chose to stick with how it is now.
I like how this is almost the exact opposite of my arguements on Age of Decline, and that the rate of decline is too gentle currently and should be sped up to help combat stat inflation.
Making the Age of Decline later and/or slower will only make stat inflation problems worse. Already many riders are at peak ability for 6-7 years (not sure exactly, but this is around the average time a rider will be max'd for). Unlike real cycling, MG rider don't have good and bad years where their "stats" go up or down. And every year new riders are added which generates more stat increases, which requires decline to balance the DB.
Anyway, all explained and argued in the general 2017 Idea Suggestion thread.
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| matt17br |
Posted on 28-03-2017 12:36
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Unlike real cycling, MG rider don't have good and bad years where their "stats" go up or down.
PCM makes up for that, with editions that advantage certain riders and totally screw others 
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 28-03-2017 12:41
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matt17br wrote:
Unlike real cycling, MG rider don't have good and bad years where their "stats" go up or down.
PCM makes up for that, with editions that advantage certain riders and totally screw others
Ah yes, the main ACC change of 2013 (?)
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| matt17br |
Posted on 28-03-2017 12:42
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2014, but 2013 had non-functioning RES at all...
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 28-03-2017 12:45
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Good job we're sticking with PCM15 then, which validates my point as stat strength won't change.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 28-03-2017 13:18
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Yeah, good job, because in PCM 15 all secondary stats barely matter.
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| Roman |
Posted on 28-03-2017 14:22
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fjhoekie wrote:
Very much against any free agent upgrades as riders get added with An idea which can balance the DB well enough and that should not be disrupted imo, will see if I can find any riders worth adding later this week.
Disagree with this view a lot. Upgrading FAs should be mainly a way to bring in some new and unique riders that otherwise we can't have in the DB with current stat gains system. And we also have a need to have a balanced database: this allows us to keep the right amount of good FAs in every season, similarly as having competitive fields in all races.
Plus I am a supporter of an idea trying to keep the DB at least semi-realistic. Otherwise we can just add in some random names from random nations and that would be it. So my view is the DB should at least somehow tried to reflect the real cycling when the game allows it and makes it better as well.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 28-03-2017 14:33
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Roman wrote:
fjhoekie wrote:
Very much against any free agent upgrades as riders get added with An idea which can balance the DB well enough and that should not be disrupted imo, will see if I can find any riders worth adding later this week.
Disagree with this view a lot. Upgrading FAs should be mainly a way to bring in some new and unique riders that otherwise we can't have in the DB with current stat gains system. And we also have a need to have a balanced database: this allows us to keep the right amount of good FAs in every season, similarly as having competitive fields in all races.
Plus I am a supporter of an idea trying to keep the DB at least semi-realistic. Otherwise we can just add in some random names from random nations and that would be it. So my view is the DB should at least somehow tried to reflect the real cycling when the game allows it and makes it better as well.
Thumbs up for this comment.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| fjhoekie |
Posted on 28-03-2017 15:24
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I can see fa changes being okay for some unique riders, however I feel tthis van also be acclompished in different ways, like I have suggested before. Add some freedom in statupgrades when leveling up, free of costs or not, does not really matter, but allow to shift over points from one stat to another, alliwing managers to create unique riders themselves. FA upgrades, and mainly those who get good stats like Van Avermaet and Roglic are one of the main problems of the game right now imo.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 28-03-2017 15:50
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Roman wrote:
Upgrading FAs should be mainly a way to bring in some new and unique riders that otherwise we can't have in the DB with current stat gains system. And we also have a need to have a balanced database: this allows us to keep the right amount of good FAs in every season, similarly as having competitive fields in all races.
I don't know what kind of unique riders can't be acheived through stat gains. If you use different trainings at each level up you can make some very good combination riders, then add some normal Training over a couple of years and that interesting combination can become very powerful.
Or rather, we could always add different stat-gain options that are more unique. Improve the system of increases, because it's not perfect (although i've found the stat-gain options cover enough variation and any shortfalls can be fixed with Training).
Add in enough talents to keep replacing declining riders and the DB will always have enough good FA's available. Some would say there are too many good riders, from the stat inflation. And i can't think of a terrain that doesn't have enough competitive riders and upcomng ones.
Certainly i can't see a situation where either of those can't be solved by new additions. Which creates slower and easier to manage inflation.
Editing FA's, from my view, is extra inflation above and beyond the game system. It's a direct outside influence that inflates stats, without offsetting decreases.
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I can see some situations where FA editing can be useful. If someone comes in desparate for a team of, lets say, Serbians. We could then boost some specific Serbians to give that team a starting point.
Similar to what has happened before with places like Bulgaria when i came in, and Iceland last season.
But it's a specific case that itself is outside the normal, and where the Serbian team could take a load of added talents and grow the rider base themselves. That would just take time though, and the editing is just to give them a start using existing game riders. But equally, we could generate new riders at those same stats.
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| Bushwackers |
Posted on 28-03-2017 16:29
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While we're on the topic of stat updates for FA's, here's my suggestions. It is in order of the rider's current stats, what their projected max would be, and what I suggest their max be improved to.
| ID | Surname | First name | Fl | Mo | Hl | TT | St | Rs | Rc | Cb | Sp | Ac | Ft | Dh | Pl | Status | Country | XP Level | XP Points | Pot | Age | | 467 | Friesecke | Gian | 70 | 61 | 63 | 53 | 70 | 68 | 67 | 70 | 67 | 52 | 61 | 58 | 53 | Cobbles - Current Max | SWI | 4 | 100 | 3 | 22 | | 467 | Friesecke | Gian | 73 | 61 | 67 | 53 | 73 | 71 | 67 | 74 | 67 | 72 | 61 | 65 | 53 | Cobbles - Suggested | SWI | 4 | 100 | 3 | 22 | | 750 | Lienhard | Fabian | 67 | 56 | 60 | 63 | 66 | 61 | 62 | 51 | 62 | 67 | 73 | 60 | 63 | Current | SWI | 2 | 23 | 4 | 23 | | 750 | Lienhard | Fabian | 73 | 57 | 63 | 69 | 70 | 67 | 66 | 51 | 62 | 67 | 77 | 60 | 69 | TT - Current | SWI | 4 | 100 | 4 | 23 | | 750 | Lienhard | Fabian | 74 | 62 | 66 | 75 | 71 | 73 | 68 | 51 | 62 | 67 | 77 | 60 | 75 | TT - Suggested | SWI | 4 | 100 | 4 | 23 | | 7657 | Keller | Jan | 68 | 56 | 64 | 62 | 67 | 68 | 65 | 62 | 51 | 71 | 76 | 74 | 62 | Current | SWI | 2 | 36 | 3 | 25 | | 7657 | Keller | Jan | 74 | 56 | 65 | 62 | 71 | 71 | 66 | 63 | 54 | 75 | 80 | 75 | 62 | Fighter - Current | SWI | 4 | 100 | 3 | 25 | | 7657 | Keller | Jan | 75 | 60 | 70 | 62 | 72 | 71 | 68 | 62 | 67 | 77 | 80 | 75 | 62 | Fighter - Suggested | SWI | 4 | 100 | 3 | 25 | | 395 | Erdin | Peter | 64 | 62 | 67 | 63 | 65 | 65 | 62 | 52 | 63 | 57 | 61 | 59 | 63 | Current | SWI | 2 | 15 | 5 | 26 | | 395 | Erdin | Peter | 67 | 65 | 74 | 63 | 72 | 68 | 65 | 52 | 66 | 63 | 65 | 60 | 64 | Hills - Current | SWI | 4 | 100 | 5 | 26 | | 395 | Erdin | Peter | 70 | 65 | 75 | 63 | 73 | 71 | 68 | 52 | 66 | 72 | 65 | 68 | 64 | Hills - Suggested | SWI | 4 | 100 | 5 | 26 | | 6074 | Winter | Nicolas | 66 | 68 | 65 | 60 | 65 | 69 | 66 | 57 | 61 | 66 | 68 | 60 | 60 | Current | SWI | 3 | 0 | 4 | 27 | | 6074 | Winter | Nicolas | 67 | 72 | 67 | 60 | 69 | 73 | 68 | 57 | 61 | 68 | 71 | 65 | 60 | Climber 2 - Current | SWI | 4 | 100 | 4 | 27 | | 6074 | Winter | Nicolas | 68 | 75 | 73 | 60 | 72 | 73 | 70 | 57 | 61 | 68 | 71 | 65 | 60 | Climber 2 - Suggested | SWI | 4 | 100 | 4 | 27 | | 89 | Baillifard | Valentin | 65 | 67 | 67 | 65 | 69 | 69 | 68 | 55 | 62 | 68 | 64 | 64 | 66 | Current | SWI | 2 | 0 | 4 | 23 | | 89 | Baillifard | Valentin | 66 | 73 | 71 | 71 | 73 | 73 | 74 | 55 | 62 | 69 | 65 | 64 | 72 | Stage Race - Current | SWI | 4 | 100 | 4 | 23 | | 89 | Baillifard | Valentin | 69 | 74 | 73 | 74 | 73 | 73 | 74 | 55 | 62 | 69 | 65 | 64 | 72 | Stage Race - Suggested | SWI | 4 | 100 | 4 | 23 | | 1263 | Cambianica | Enea | 66 | 61 | 68 | 62 | 68 | 67 | 68 | 52 | 60 | 70 | 72 | 66 | 60 | Current | SWI | 3 | 0 | 3 | 27 | | 1263 | Cambianica | Enea | 67 | 63 | 72 | 62 | 71 | 68 | 69 | 52 | 61 | 73 | 75 | 67 | 60 | Hills - Current | SWI | 4 | 100 | 3 | 27 | | 1263 | Cambianica | Enea | 70 | 65 | 75 | 62 | 72 | 70 | 70 | 52 | 61 | 73 | 75 | 67 | 60 | Hills - Suggested | SWI | 4 | 100 | 3 | 27 | | 7897 | Stocker | Manuel | 68 | 60 | 61 | 69 | 69 | 70 | 68 | 59 | 70 | 71 | 64 | 57 | 69 | Current | SWI | 3 | 0 | 3 | 25 | | 7897 | Stocker | Manuel | 71 | 60 | 62 | 69 | 72 | 71 | 71 | 61 | 74 | 75 | 64 | 57 | 69 | Sprinter - Current | SWI | 4 | 100 | 3 | 25 | | 7897 | Stocker | Manuel | 74 | 60 | 65 | 69 | 72 | 71 | 78 | 61 | 77 | 78 | 64 | 65 | 69 | Sprinter - Suggested | SWI | 4 | 100 | 3 | 25 |
As you can see, there are a lot of worthless Swiss free agents that I think should be upgraded in order to make them useful, otherwise they'll be FA's forever and nobody will develop them because it isn't worth it.
The main reason I want this is because there is a huge list of Swiss riders that are currently in decline, and a very limited pool of replacements for them despite a higher number of Swiss teams currently. Here's the list of declining/removed riders that were once fully capable domestiques:
Michael Albasini
Johann Tschopp
Hubert Schwab
Florian Stalder
Simon Zahner
David Vitoria
Pirmin Lang
Lukas Flückiger
Steve Morabito
Ivan Santaromita
(Fabian Cancellara)
There are plenty of young free agents that have been added but just about every single one of them is trash and not worth developing into shitty domestiques in the PCT. Its a bit annoying to see all of the Swiss riders who will max out at 72-73 in their main stat when every new rider from a 3rd world country is better.
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| sgdanny |
Posted on 28-03-2017 17:15
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| ID | Surname | First name | Fl | Mo | Hl | TT | St | Rs | Rc | Cb | Sp | Ac | Ft | Dh | Pl | Nat. | Cont. | XP Level | XP Points | D | M | Year | Pot | | 5532 | Yechezkel | Aviv | 68 | 55 | 62 | 64 | 66 | 68 | 68 | 70 | 60 | 72 | 69 | 69 | 64 | ISR | EU | 1 | 0 | 21 | 4 | 1994 | 4 | | 5532 | Yechezkel | Aviv | 73 | 55 | 63 | 64 | 73 | 73 | 71 | 77 | 65 | 73 | 70 | 69 | 64 | ISR | EU | 4 | 100 | 21 | 4 | 1994 | 4 | | - | Goldstein | Omer | 72 | 61 | 63 | 69 | 65 | 66 | 65 | 63 | 65 | 65 | 61 | 67 | 66 | ISR | EU | 1 | 0 | 13 | 8 | 1996 | 6 | | - | Goldstein | Omer | 79 | 62 | 65 | 78 | 72 | 75 | 72 | 63 | 65 | 65 | 66 | 68 | 75 | ISR | EU | 4 | 100 | 13 | 8 | 1996 | 6 | | - | Hadari | Zohar | 61 | 65 | 70 | 61 | 70 | 70 | 68 | 60 | 70 | 70 | 71 | 69 | 64 | ISR | EU | 3 | 0 | 19 | 5 | 1994 | 6 |
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 28-03-2017 17:55
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can see Bushwackers point here, especially Lienhard and Baillifard look fitting!
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| jph27 |
Posted on 28-03-2017 20:59
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Second set of suggestions from me. Riders who are currently unmaxed free agents with suggested stat and XP edits. First line for each is their current stats in the DB.
| ID | Surname | First name | Fl | Mo | Hl | TT | St | Rs | Rc | Cb | Sp | Ac | Ft | Dh | Pl | Nat. | Cont. | XP Level | XP Points | D | M | Year | Pot | | 5870 | Van Hoecke | Gijs | 67 | 60 | 61 | 67 | 65 | 64 | 63 | 59 | 68 | 70 | 64 | 63 | 67 | BEL | EU | 1 | 22 | 12 | 11 | 1991 | 4 | | 5870 | Van Hoecke | Gijs | 72 | 60 | 71 | 69 | 73 | 70 | 67 | 71 | 68 | 70 | 64 | 63 | 73 | BEL | EU | 4 | 0 | 12 | 11 | 1991 | 4 | | 5870 | Van Hoecke | Gijs | 73 | 60 | 72 | 69 | 74 | 71 | 68 | 73 | 68 | 70 | 65 | 63 | 73 | BEL | EU | 4 | 100 | 12 | 11 | 1991 | 4 | | 6225 | De Bondt | Dries | 63 | 60 | 64 | 57 | 64 | 65 | 67 | 62 | 65 | 62 | 71 | 61 | 57 | BEL | EU | 4 | 0 | 4 | 7 | 1991 | 3 | | 6225 | De Bondt | Dries | 75 | 60 | 67 | 57 | 72 | 68 | 67 | 71 | 71 | 70 | 78 | 61 | 57 | BEL | EU | 4 | 0 | 4 | 7 | 1991 | 4 | | 6225 | De Bondt | Dries | 77 | 60 | 67 | 57 | 73 | 68 | 68 | 72 | 73 | 72 | 78 | 61 | 57 | BEL | EU | 4 | 100 | 4 | 7 | 1991 | 4 | | 2008 | Barbier | Rudy | 66 | 50 | 62 | 56 | 64 | 66 | 67 | 60 | 70 | 69 | 63 | 63 | 60 | FRA | EU | 2 | 0 | 18 | 12 | 1992 | 4 | | 2008 | Barbier | Rudy | 70 | 50 | 66 | 56 | 69 | 69 | 67 | 66 | 74 | 75 | 63 | 63 | 60 | FRA | EU | 3 | 0 | 18 | 12 | 1992 | 4 | | 2008 | Barbier | Rudy | 72 | 50 | 67 | 56 | 71 | 70 | 75 | 68 | 76 | 77 | 63 | 64 | 60 | FRA | EU | 4 | 0 | 18 | 12 | 1992 | 4 | | 2008 | Barbier | Rudy | 74 | 50 | 67 | 56 | 72 | 70 | 76 | 69 | 78 | 79 | 63 | 64 | 60 | FRA | EU | 4 | 100 | 18 | 12 | 1992 | 4 | | 5386 | Pacher | Quentin | 66 | 63 | 67 | 61 | 67 | 68 | 68 | 51 | 64 | 64 | 68 | 66 | 63 | FRA | EU | 3 | 0 | 6 | 1 | 1992 | 4 | | 5386 | Pacher | Quentin | 69 | 68 | 72 | 61 | 72 | 68 | 68 | 51 | 70 | 72 | 72 | 66 | 63 | FRA | EU | 4 | 0 | 6 | 1 | 1992 | 4 | | 5386 | Pacher | Quentin | 70 | 69 | 74 | 61 | 74 | 69 | 69 | 51 | 70 | 73 | 73 | 66 | 63 | FRA | EU | 4 | 100 | 6 | 1 | 1992 | 4 | | 5757 | Meurisse | Xandro | 67 | 58 | 67 | 61 | 67 | 63 | 66 | 61 | 66 | 65 | 65 | 61 | 61 | BEL | EU | 3 | 0 | 31 | 1 | 1992 | 3 | | 5757 | Meurisse | Xandro | 72 | 66 | 73 | 65 | 72 | 70 | 73 | 68 | 66 | 68 | 65 | 61 | 69 | BEL | EU | 4 | 0 | 31 | 1 | 1992 | 3 | | 5757 | Meurisse | Xandro | 72 | 67 | 75 | 65 | 73 | 71 | 74 | 68 | 66 | 69 | 66 | 61 | 69 | BEL | EU | 4 | 100 | 31 | 1 | 1992 | 3 | | 3191 | Calmejane | Lilian | 71 | 62 | 64 | 62 | 64 | 64 | 64 | 60 | 67 | 66 | 69 | 68 | 64 | FRA | EU | 3 | 0 | 6 | 12 | 1992 | 3 | | 3191 | Calmejane | Lilian | 73 | 70 | 75 | 67 | 71 | 75 | 73 | 60 | 71 | 74 | 76 | 68 | 70 | FRA | EU | 4 | 0 | 6 | 12 | 1992 | 6 | | 3191 | Calmejane | Lilian | 74 | 71 | 77 | 67 | 73 | 76 | 74 | 60 | 72 | 76 | 78 | 69 | 70 | FRA | EU | 4 | 100 | 6 | 12 | 1992 | 6 | | 7486 | Carpenter | Robin | 66 | 51 | 64 | 52 | 65 | 66 | 64 | 52 | 66 | 68 | 50 | 68 | 52 | USA | NA | 1 | 0 | 20 | 6 | 1992 | 4 | | 7486 | Carpenter | Robin | 66 | 72 | 72 | 68 | 71 | 69 | 70 | 52 | 66 | 68 | 68 | 68 | 68 | USA | NA | 3 | 0 | 20 | 6 | 1992 | 4 | | 7486 | Carpenter | Robin | 67 | 74 | 74 | 70 | 73 | 71 | 72 | 52 | 66 | 69 | 69 | 68 | 70 | USA | NA | 4 | 0 | 20 | 6 | 1992 | 4 | | 7486 | Carpenter | Robin | 67 | 76 | 75 | 72 | 74 | 72 | 74 | 52 | 66 | 69 | 69 | 68 | 72 | USA | NA | 4 | 100 | 20 | 6 | 1992 | 4 | | 5354 | Bettiol | Alberto | 66 | 65 | 68 | 63 | 68 | 68 | 69 | 66 | 66 | 63 | 63 | 65 | 64 | ITA | EU | 2 | 0 | 29 | 10 | 1993 | 4 | | 5354 | Bettiol | Alberto | 72 | 70 | 73 | 69 | 73 | 74 | 73 | 68 | 72 | 75 | 71 | 65 | 67 | ITA | EU | 3 | 0 | 29 | 10 | 1993 | 6 | | 5354 | Bettiol | Alberto | 73 | 71 | 76 | 70 | 76 | 75 | 74 | 68 | 73 | 78 | 73 | 66 | 68 | ITA | EU | 4 | 0 | 29 | 10 | 1993 | 6 | | 5354 | Bettiol | Alberto | 74 | 72 | 78 | 70 | 78 | 76 | 75 | 68 | 74 | 80 | 75 | 67 | 68 | ITA | EU | 4 | 100 | 29 | 10 | 1993 | 6 | | 5327 | Martin | Guillaume | 67 | 66 | 66 | 64 | 70 | 67 | 69 | 52 | 59 | 66 | 61 | 63 | 65 | FRA | EU | 2 | 0 | 9 | 6 | 1993 | 4 | | 5327 | Martin | Guillaume | 67 | 71 | 69 | 64 | 70 | 67 | 72 | 52 | 59 | 69 | 61 | 63 | 65 | FRA | EU | 3 | 0 | 9 | 6 | 1993 | 4 | | 5327 | Martin | Guillaume | 68 | 73 | 71 | 66 | 72 | 69 | 74 | 52 | 59 | 70 | 62 | 63 | 67 | FRA | EU | 4 | 0 | 9 | 6 | 1993 | 4 | | 5327 | Martin | Guillaume | 68 | 75 | 73 | 66 | 72 | 70 | 75 | 52 | 59 | 72 | 64 | 63 | 67 | FRA | EU | 4 | 100 | 9 | 6 | 1993 | 4 | | 7380 | Restrepo | Jhonatan | 66 | 64 | 66 | 69 | 66 | 63 | 59 | 55 | 63 | 67 | 63 | 67 | 69 | COL | SA | 1 | 0 | 28 | 11 | 1994 | 4 | | 7380 | Restrepo | Jhonatan | 69 | 64 | 71 | 65 | 68 | 67 | 71 | 55 | 69 | 70 | 63 | 67 | 65 | COL | SA | 3 | 0 | 28 | 11 | 1994 | 4 | | 7380 | Restrepo | Jhonatan | 70 | 65 | 74 | 66 | 70 | 68 | 72 | 55 | 70 | 72 | 65 | 68 | 66 | COL | SA | 4 | 0 | 28 | 11 | 1994 | 4 | | 7380 | Restrepo | Jhonatan | 71 | 66 | 76 | 66 | 71 | 69 | 73 | 55 | 70 | 73 | 66 | 68 | 66 | COL | SA | 4 | 100 | 28 | 11 | 1994 | 4 |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 04-04-2017 01:38
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I've got some rider suggestions here. I'd also like to know if it is allowed to suggest stats for riders already in a team (either your own, or another)? I can definitely see why it wouldn't be allowed but if it is, I'll have a couple more suggestions to post.
In terms of riders, I kinda of dislike putting exact numbers into the suggestions but I'll do it here just to make things easier for whoever collects all this info. I will only post what I believe they should be once maxed. They're all just estimates of what their stats should be.
Yosuke Matsumoto
| CyclistID | Last name | First name | Fl | Mo | Hl | TT | Sta | Res | Rec | Cob | Spr | Acc | Fgh | Dh | Pl | nat | Cont | lvl | pts | d | m | yr | Age | Pot | | x | Matsumoto | Yosukue | 74 | 67 | 72 | 64 | 74 | 73 | 68 | 65 | 69 | 75 | 79 | 68 | 67 | JPN | AS | 4 | 100 | 10 | 2 | 1996 | 21 | x |
Matsumoto hasn't done a whole lot apart from in championship races, where he has done very well. With the way they work it appears as though he is a solid breakaway rider so I've made his stats reflect that.
Hayato Okamoto
| CyclistID | Last name | First name | Fl | Mo | Hl | TT | Sta | Res | Rec | Cob | Spr | Acc | Fgh | Dh | Pl | nat | Cont | lvl | pts | d | m | yr | Age | Pot | | x | Okamoto | Hayato | 73 | 62 | 66 | 71 | 71 | 73 | 75 | 60 | 75 | 76 | 63 | 71 | 70 | JPN | AS | 4 | 100 | 1 | 6 | 1995 | 21 | x |
Okamoto's best results have been on sprint stages including his biggest result, winning the U23 Asian Championships in a sprint. He seems like quite a promising sprinter so perhaps his stats could go a bit higher than what I put, but Japan already has quite a few sprinters in the db, so making him a good leadout might be better.
Rei Onodera
| CyclistID | Last name | First name | Fl | Mo | Hl | TT | Sta | Res | Rec | Cob | Spr | Acc | Fgh | Dh | Pl | nat | Cont | lvl | pts | d | m | yr | Age | Pot | | x | Onodera | Rei | 75 | 64 | 70 | 78 | 74 | 75 | 71 | 61 | 64 | 68 | 66 | 68 | 75 | JPN | AS | 4 | 100 | 3 | 9 | 1995 | 21 | x |
Seems like a really promising TT rider. One of a few picked for Japans TTT squad at the Asian championships (as well as Okamoto above) and has his best results in TTs including winning the Asian U23 ITT championships
Huynh Thanh Tung (Fix his name and slight adjustments)
https://www.procyc...eason=2016
| CyclistID | Last name | First name | Fl | Mo | Hl | TT | Sta | Res | Rec | Cob | Spr | Acc | Fgh | Dh | Pl | nat | Cont | lvl | pts | d | m | yr | Age | Pot | | 1003 | Thanh | Huynh | 70 | 65 | 73 | 65 | 73 | 74 | 71 | 64 | 74 | 74 | 74 | 68 | 68 | VIE | AS | 4 | 100 | 25 | 7 | 1996 | 20 | 5 |
Judging from his results his specialty is not TTs but more one day races. He's done really well at the U23 Asian championships the last few years so he's one of the best for his age class, hence the slight potential upgrade as well. Could be a really cool rider to have from Vietnam. He's also won a couple sprint stages in front of some pretty good riders, so he's got a quick finish to him as well.
Atsushi Oka
| CyclistID | Last name | First name | Fl | Mo | Hl | TT | Sta | Res | Rec | Cob | Spr | Acc | Fgh | Dh | Pl | nat | Cont | lvl | pts | d | m | yr | Age | Pot | | x | Oka | Atsushi | 65 | 73 | 75 | 74 | 72 | 72 | 75 | 64 | 62 | 67 | 68 | 65 | 71 | JPN | AS | 4 | 100 | 3 | 9 | 1995 | 21 | x |
Oka has gotten his best results on climbs, but has also done pretty well in TTs as well. Just a couple days ago he finished 2nd on a hilly/mountain stage and got 6th in the GC of a hilly/mountain stage race in Japan.
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| jph27 |
Posted on 04-04-2017 08:11
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valverde321 wrote:
I've got some rider suggestions here. I'd also like to know if it is allowed to suggest stats for riders already in a team (either your own, or another)? I can definitely see why it wouldn't be allowed but if it is, I'll have a couple more suggestions to post.
It's fine to suggest for riders on your own team if you plan to release them - and also to make suggestions for riders from disbanding teams. |
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| OlegTinkov |
Posted on 04-04-2017 08:16
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jph27 wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
I've got some rider suggestions here. I'd also like to know if it is allowed to suggest stats for riders already in a team (either your own, or another)? I can definitely see why it wouldn't be allowed but if it is, I'll have a couple more suggestions to post.
It's fine to suggest for riders on your own team if you plan to release them - and also to make suggestions for riders from disbanding teams.
Shouldn't it be that only FA get updated stats after a year without a team, otherwise you get: rider gets stat suggestion, released, stat update and signed again... all within the same offseason?
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| jph27 |
Posted on 04-04-2017 08:19
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OlegTinkov wrote:
jph27 wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
I've got some rider suggestions here. I'd also like to know if it is allowed to suggest stats for riders already in a team (either your own, or another)? I can definitely see why it wouldn't be allowed but if it is, I'll have a couple more suggestions to post.
It's fine to suggest for riders on your own team if you plan to release them - and also to make suggestions for riders from disbanding teams.
Shouldn't it be that only FA get updated stats after a year without a team, otherwise you get: rider gets stat suggestion, released, stat update and signed again... all within the same offseason?
Well I'm just going off how it's been done in the past
The scenario you mention is quite possible. But the thing is, if a stat update is granted then you'd expect the rider to fetch a higher wage - it's ultimately a risk-reward calculation for the manager to decide if they release them, not knowing even if they'll get an update. |
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Posted on 04-04-2017 11:43
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I used to be in the upgrades for FA camp, but after much deliberation, think we should be severely limiting it if at all.
My highest level summary would be that we don't remove riders whose stats end up well above their characteristics in real life as riders mature, hence constantly tinkering stats upwards for FA's is part of the stat inflation 'bubble'.
It also is a kind of 'nuclear' option that disrupts managers who have been developing riders towards certain characteristics slowly over time with an overview of the existing db and riders already in development, or upcomiing; there is visibility of how the db will evolve if most new riders enter as unmaxed talents, not when parachuted in (or upwards as is the case) at a later date.
Will try to find time later to write on this in more detail in the 'suggestions for next season' thread.
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Posted on 04-04-2017 12:01
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jph27 wrote:
OlegTinkov wrote:
jph27 wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
I've got some rider suggestions here. I'd also like to know if it is allowed to suggest stats for riders already in a team (either your own, or another)? I can definitely see why it wouldn't be allowed but if it is, I'll have a couple more suggestions to post.
It's fine to suggest for riders on your own team if you plan to release them - and also to make suggestions for riders from disbanding teams.
Shouldn't it be that only FA get updated stats after a year without a team, otherwise you get: rider gets stat suggestion, released, stat update and signed again... all within the same offseason?
Well I'm just going off how it's been done in the past
The scenario you mention is quite possible. But the thing is, if a stat update is granted then you'd expect the rider to fetch a higher wage - it's ultimately a risk-reward calculation for the manager to decide if they release them, not knowing even if they'll get an update.
I did it with Edward Theuns last offseason. I realeased him, he got a big improvement (he was a crap rider initially) and got picked up by another team. I didn't see it as a bad thing. Gilbert at Quick Step is a different rider then Gilbert at BMC.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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