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| ember |
Posted on 10-02-2017 23:09
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Thank you for another proper report, Tamijo!
That was a very good performance by Boasson Hagen! Very aggressive racing and even with the strength to follow Ponzi's acceleration to the line. Must be satisfied with that. Though, coming from such a race with no stage win is a failure, honestly speaking.
Congratulations again, FroomeDog99! Good to see Ponzi show some of the beast mode he had last year. |
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| Roman |
Posted on 11-02-2017 01:13
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Really nice report, thanks Tamijo!
Happy with Sagan's result. If nothing major happens 6th overall is quite a decent race from him. And congrats, FroomeDog!
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| DubbelDekker |
Posted on 11-02-2017 01:50
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Disappointed that Ginanni just stayed in the peloton. 
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| Mresuperstar |
Posted on 11-02-2017 08:19
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Some smart and solid racing from TVG over the last two stages. Top 5 overall wouldn't be terrible.
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| Tamijo |
Posted on 11-02-2017 10:07
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No report today – I am out for an all-day event, hope to get the final stage up tomorrow.
Stage 8 teaser:
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| FroomeDog99 |
Posted on 11-02-2017 15:51
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Amazing from Ponzi, winning two consecutive stages, yet it may still not be enough to win the race and achieve our win goal. I'm not complaining though, nice to get some consistent success and give us a small hope in the relegation battle.
Thanks for your reports tamijo. |
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| SotD |
Posted on 11-02-2017 18:12
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Tamijo wrote:
No report today – I am out for an all-day event, hope to get the final stage up tomorrow.
Stage 8 teaser:
Argh. Crashes are definately going to happen. I feel like I can't avoid those season defining crashes anymore. It has been a while although I had them so plenty in the first quarter of the season.
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| Tamijo |
Posted on 12-02-2017 10:39
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That is all from your humble reporter.
Sorry for those that did not get what they came for, and congratulations to who performed better than expected.
Personally (a neutral spectator) I had much joy following  Michael Olsson fight insanely hard and tireless for the KoM often against better climbers.
Also nice to watch the young sprinter  Sondre Holst Enger and  Eduard Grosu, doing very well on some stages
I was very surprised by  Van Stayen, taking the race lead; I did not even have him as a GC contender. At least I am glad that I did focus on the 3 riders that turned out to be the final podium.
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| roturn |
Posted on 12-02-2017 10:43
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Thanks Tamijo for the great reporting.
Unfortunately my team didn`t make it a very good race here. De Bie 11th is okay but nothing too special while Swift sucked big time. Not having a top class sprint train can`t be an excuse as Van der Sanden still is a decent leadout and his speed was also not very impressive neither.
Probably good for me that next year Groenewegen and Van der Sanden will be maxed out, Krieger is coming back, which gives me a lot more opportunities for strong sprint trains in more races.
Congrats to the winners here! |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 12-02-2017 11:00
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A bad race from start to finish. Short glimpses of quality by Ciolek and Kelderman on one stage each, but far too inconsistent to get any decent amount of points out of this. Certainly not what I hoped for, especially with this being a sponsor goal.
Tinkoff probably shot past us now, Aker and Evonik will be gone, BPost has recovered quite a bit too...the Top 5 should be out of reach now, at least Herklotz is keeping us in the Top 10.
Congrats to Trofitruffle and everyone else that did well here, and thanks a lot Tamijo for a great reporter debut! I surely wouldn't mind to see you cover more races.
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| SotD |
Posted on 12-02-2017 11:01
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Well this ended up being a much better race than anticipated...
Nice to finally get that Tzortzakis stagewin. His first of the season.
Thanks for some quality reporting, Tamijo. I definately hope to be seeing more to you in this game in the future. Hopefully as a manager also :-)
Congrats to Tinkoff an Evonik who both had strong races, and nice to see Aker giving it a good go here. I still expect the norwegians to be close in the end.
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| matt17br |
Posted on 12-02-2017 11:24
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Great job with those reports, Tamijo!
This has been a very nice race indeed, and at this point it really looks like Festina have a second consecutive win in the bag really.
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| SotD |
Posted on 12-02-2017 11:35
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cio93 wrote:
A bad race from start to finish. Short glimpses of quality by Ciolek and Kelderman on one stage each, but far too inconsistent to get any decent amount of points out of this. Certainly not what I hoped for, especially with this being a sponsor goal.
Tinkoff probably shot past us now, Aker and Evonik will be gone, BPost has recovered quite a bit too...the Top 5 should be out of reach now, at least Herklotz is keeping us in the Top 10.
Congrats to Trofitruffle and everyone else that did well here, and thanks a lot Tamijo for a great reporter debut! I surely wouldn't mind to see you cover more races.
I think you are underestimating the points you actually scored here. Tinkoff can not go past you here. To be honest I think you scored just 150 or so less than them. You probably scored a similar amount of points as Aker, while you heavily outscored Vesuvio, Aegon, eBuddy and Metinvest.
My guess is that you are currently sitting somewhere between 4th and 6th with that gap being very close. You have a 250 gap or so up to Vesuvio in 3rd and a gap of 4-500 points to 10-11th place. And while you might be going backwards teams like Metinvest and eBuddy are going back quicker than you and teams like RBC, Bouygues and Pendleton's stopped scoring points at this state. The teams probably doing better than you currently is I-Gen, Becherovka, Vesuvio, Evonik, Aker, Tinkoff and BPost. Then you are fighting the likes of Aegon. But it's hard to see you falling outside of the top 10 with also a very strong Portugal race which could see you scoring somewhere in the region of 250-300 points.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 12-02-2017 12:11
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SotD wrote:
cio93 wrote:
A bad race from start to finish. Short glimpses of quality by Ciolek and Kelderman on one stage each, but far too inconsistent to get any decent amount of points out of this. Certainly not what I hoped for, especially with this being a sponsor goal.
Tinkoff probably shot past us now, Aker and Evonik will be gone, BPost has recovered quite a bit too...the Top 5 should be out of reach now, at least Herklotz is keeping us in the Top 10.
Congrats to Trofitruffle and everyone else that did well here, and thanks a lot Tamijo for a great reporter debut! I surely wouldn't mind to see you cover more races.
I think you are underestimating the points you actually scored here. Tinkoff can not go past you here. To be honest I think you scored just 150 or so less than them. You probably scored a similar amount of points as Aker, while you heavily outscored Vesuvio, Aegon, eBuddy and Metinvest.
My guess is that you are currently sitting somewhere between 4th and 6th with that gap being very close. You have a 250 gap or so up to Vesuvio in 3rd and a gap of 4-500 points to 10-11th place. And while you might be going backwards teams like Metinvest and eBuddy are going back quicker than you and teams like RBC, Bouygues and Pendleton's stopped scoring points at this state. The teams probably doing better than you currently is I-Gen, Becherovka, Vesuvio, Evonik, Aker, Tinkoff and BPost. Then you are fighting the likes of Aegon. But it's hard to see you falling outside of the top 10 with also a very strong Portugal race which could see you scoring somewhere in the region of 250-300 points.
Leave my pessimism alone! 
It's more fun to be positively surprised. And hey, I only set Top 10 as rankings goal for budget purposes, I didn't even imagine I could seriously contest for that. It's all a bonus already anyway.
Thanks for caring and doing the math though, much appreciated!
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| SotD |
Posted on 12-02-2017 12:28
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Never! 
I am the master of pessimism, and whenever someone enters my area of competence, I have to draw them back
cio93 wrote:
It's more fun to be positively surprised. And hey, I only set Top 10 as rankings goal for budget purposes, I didn't even imagine I could seriously contest for that. It's all a bonus already anyway.
I think it's fairly scary that you are already this high in the rankings looking at the riders you are bringing up in the coming seasons 
cio93 wrote:
Thanks for caring and doing the math though, much appreciated!
Haven't done them to the full, but these are the figures I can calculate without using any other tools than my head, the resultlist and the previous rankings, so don't count 100% on it to be correct
My calculations sees me leading by 150 points or so right now, but I still fear the next rankings update
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| Margh Norway |
Posted on 12-02-2017 13:40
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Thanks for reporting, Tamijo, superb coverage of the Deutschland Tour!
Really liked the way you presented the route before you turned to the racing of each stage. It's a pity the (anonymous) profile pic didn't even mention from where to where the stage is going anymore.
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| ember |
Posted on 12-02-2017 13:52
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We obviously got less than we came for, which is a pity, as I had a slight, slight hope of challenging for at least a PT podium and maybe even the rankings win with a great race here. Still, third place here feels somewhat better than what Boasson Hagen actually deserved seeing how he raced, so I can't really complain.
Big congratulations to OlegTinkov! Nothing can stop Trofimov in beast mode, not even a super Ponzi.
And last, but not least, a huge thank you to Tamijo for doing the reports here. Very much appreciated, hopefully it helps to keep the season going, as it has been a great one up to this point considering speed and quality reporting. |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 12-02-2017 13:53
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Bit disappointing from Lutsenko, thanks for the reports.
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| Roman |
Posted on 12-02-2017 17:07
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Big thanks for superb reports, Tamijo!
Congrats to Russia, great win for both Trofimov and Tinkoff.
From out point of view it was quite a decent race for Sagan and a really bad one for Howard. One podium and then nothing, not really what I hoped for here. Final races of the season will be tough for us.
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| DubbelDekker |
Posted on 12-02-2017 18:31
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Very happy with the amount of breakaway exposure we generated and with Hofland's KoM fight, even though he narrowly lost to Olsson.
Ginanni's GC is something I'm less thrilled about. 8th is not bad, but for a rider of his calibre it's pretty meh. The relegation battle remains interesting.
Thanks for the reporting Tamijo; it was great!
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