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| SotD |
Posted on 29-11-2016 19:17
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Vasyliv - You suck!
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| Bushwackers |
Posted on 29-11-2016 19:32
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Nice ride by Arndt there and Schleck. Amador seems clueless about attacking as he went way to early in the hilly stage and way too late here. At least he's riding strong and will hopefully keep the podium.
Thanks for the great pace and reporting Matt.
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| ember |
Posted on 29-11-2016 22:05
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Wow, amazing result by Galta! Also big congratulations to cio93 on the stage win and huge jump in the GC by Arndt. Just what the doctor ordered for Puma - SAP, I guess.
Galta's great stage obviously a very pleasant surprise. Absolutely brilliant effort, eventhough his daily form probably was worse than Arndt, he fought to the very end and got rewarded.
Considering Guldhammer, I must admit I hoped he would gap Morton quite seriously when I saw his attack, and then that Amador joined him, but he must have been competely emtpy towards the top of the climb seeing the gaps crossing the finish line. But that is fine, it's great to see him try like that!
Thank you a lot for the report, matt17br, which I must say was very entertaining from a Aker - MOT perspective!  |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 29-11-2016 22:35
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That's definitely a time gap in that photo but whatever, it mostly shows up Dombrowski's shitty descending. Still, if he's climbing like that, he could take over 2nd with some agressive riding tomorrow.
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| Roman |
Posted on 30-11-2016 01:47
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König - not bad!
Cink - really nice!
Vakoc - bye!
cio - congrats!
SN - where are you?!
matt - thanks!
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 30-11-2016 07:55
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Pathetic showing from Metinvest...apart fron the TT, we are useless here - 78 climber Karnulin is "fighting" for 25th spot and watch others attack. Why we never attack, i swear we had like three-four breakaway appereances whole year now...while there are teams which riders attack again and again, for example AKER is on the attack almost every second stage, every race. Why PCM, why?
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| OlegTinkov |
Posted on 30-11-2016 08:08
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Vesuvio back on track!
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| roturn |
Posted on 30-11-2016 17:12
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Don`t get why Olivier was losing such amount on Arndt and Kolesnikov. Quite disaapointing as he would have gained another spot I think if he kept contact. His stats should make him at least equal if not better than those 2.
Still top10 is what I wanted and I got it. So still not a bad race despite Groenewegen not having a good form. |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 30-11-2016 17:59
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1st in the U25 rankings and 3rd in all other competitions for Dombrowski, happy enough with that. Congrats to SN and big thanks to matt for the reports, top stuff.
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| Bushwackers |
Posted on 30-11-2016 18:03
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Great race matt, and congrats to SN. I'm thrilled to bring home 2nd at probably our biggest race of the season. Amador performed better here than he has against a lot of the PCT competition.
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| Mresuperstar |
Posted on 30-11-2016 18:47
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Thanks for the reports. A meh race from us. Happy the guys at least tried the breakaways. (And of course the TTT result probably saved this tour for us). A quiet race from L.W. but still a top 15 ain't terrible for him.
Hopefully we can be more attacking in the CdDL with Abal.
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| SotD |
Posted on 30-11-2016 19:08
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Well 23rd in the GC is pretty crap, and nothing else happened here, so it is quite a blow for us. I expected Vasyliv to get a top 20 here looking at the competition. Atleast Eibegger tried a bit and secured a little bit of extra points in the KOM...
Vesuvio with a huge result here, probably almost catching us in the PT rankings, definately making a huge jump towards being a top 5 contender.
In terms of us being able to get a top 3 in the end this was not a good race at all. Evonik had a pretty good race - Outscoring us easily, but Aker and Puma also had good races. Tinkoff luckily not getting that much on us...
Congrats to SN (if he's here) for the dominant win by Schleck. A great warm up for him before the Tour. He must surely be the favorite after having won two equally dominant GC races by now.
Thanks for the reports, they were of a very high quality!
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| knockout |
Posted on 30-11-2016 19:57
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I'm very happy with the race. Van Stayen was successful on the 3 stages he is suited for despite a miserable leadout . 2nd in the points classification is ofc nice as well with more mountain stages than flat stages. 
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| ember |
Posted on 30-11-2016 22:33
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That concludes a great race for us, without any doubt. I'm kind of over the moon!
Guldhammer gaining time on Morton and passing him in the GC was by no means a given, simply very happy with that. Also Galta ending the race in the top 10 is a massive overachievement thanks to the breakaway on stage 8. Add second place in the teams classification and top 5s in both the points and KoM classifications, we got way more than expected.
Though, it's somewhat very much needed looking at what's to come, as I expect close to minimum scoring in both the Dauphine and the Tour.
Thank you a lot for the quick and consistent reporting, matt17br, just keeping the season rolling!
Also of course congratulations to SN, Schleck making no doubts who is the king in the mountains here. |
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| SotD |
Posted on 01-12-2016 06:47
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SotD wrote:
Good effort from Hofer here - He should be leading the U25 competition - Why isn't he?
I'll just bump this, as I didn't get an answer. At this point any points in my favour will be needed
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 01-12-2016 07:11
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SotD wrote:
SotD wrote:
Good effort from Hofer here - He should be leading the U25 competition - Why isn't he?
I'll just bump this, as I didn't get an answer. At this point any points in my favour will be needed
He turned 25 in February and that is the reason i guess? I am not sure about exact rules.
Thanks for all the reports matt, perfect coverage. Except great win from Zmorka who was big favourite, only Guardini was solid. Karnulin sucked hard, we are most likely programmed not to attack...
Congrats to missing manager.
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| SotD |
Posted on 01-12-2016 08:21
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
SotD wrote:
SotD wrote:
Good effort from Hofer here - He should be leading the U25 competition - Why isn't he?
I'll just bump this, as I didn't get an answer. At this point any points in my favour will be needed
He turned 25 in February and that is the reason i guess? I am not sure about exact rules.
Thanks for all the reports matt, perfect coverage. Except great win from Zmorka who was big favourite, only Guardini was solid. Karnulin sucked hard, we are most likely programmed not to attack...
Congrats to missing manager.
Campero turned 25 in january and was 5th in the U25 competition at the Giro.
Normally we don't look at dates of birth in any scenario unless it's the Tour de l'Avenir. We haven't before anyway... So if we are, all of a sudden, we should make sure everyone knows. I have planned a fair bit of my season on U25 points - And more interestingly, I have bought SEVERAL talents in order to score U25 points in the future - Such as Lecuisinier, Coquard, Vasyliv, Le Gac and Gougeard - I even expected to train such riders to benefit even more from the U25 points, which for top riders can give quite a lot of extra points.
Lecuisinier and Coquard with 83MO and 83SPR could score somewhere in the region of 2-300 extra points through U25 rankings.
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 01-12-2016 10:14
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SotD wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
SotD wrote:
SotD wrote:
Good effort from Hofer here - He should be leading the U25 competition - Why isn't he?
I'll just bump this, as I didn't get an answer. At this point any points in my favour will be needed
He turned 25 in February and that is the reason i guess? I am not sure about exact rules.
Thanks for all the reports matt, perfect coverage. Except great win from Zmorka who was big favourite, only Guardini was solid. Karnulin sucked hard, we are most likely programmed not to attack...
Congrats to missing manager.
Campero turned 25 in january and was 5th in the U25 competition at the Giro.
Normally we don't look at dates of birth in any scenario unless it's the Tour de l'Avenir. We haven't before anyway... So if we are, all of a sudden, we should make sure everyone knows. I have planned a fair bit of my season on U25 points - And more interestingly, I have bought SEVERAL talents in order to score U25 points in the future - Such as Lecuisinier, Coquard, Vasyliv, Le Gac and Gougeard - I even expected to train such riders to benefit even more from the U25 points, which for top riders can give quite a lot of extra points.
Lecuisinier and Coquard with 83MO and 83SPR could score somewhere in the region of 2-300 extra points through U25 rankings.
I just took another look at the opening stage and he's at 65th on the young rider standings despite being top 10 on GC.
It looks like his bonus seconds were only applied to the GC standings and not to the Youth jersey standings which I guess means in theory you could end up with a GC winner finishing second in the youth jersey rankings which just seems wrong.
I don't know if it has been like this all season long as I've not been looking out for it but I would guess it would swap Morton and Dombrowski around when they were separated by 2 seconds on the youth jersey standings a little later on in this same race.
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| matt17br |
Posted on 01-12-2016 10:23
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Actually I might know what it is, the exports in PCM are always pretty weird so young and team standings are sorted by stage results instead of gc results, unlike the In the first stage, I always take the results from the stage instead of gc, because it's quicker and normally they're the same, but in this case I was wrong. In calculating the ranking point files, the issue will not be present, however.
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| SotD |
Posted on 01-12-2016 13:55
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Ahh right. Thanks guys.
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