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| ringo182 |
Posted on 17-11-2016 09:48
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alexkr00 wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
A tweet by Donald Trump is not evidence that millions of Americans believe global warming if a hoax.
The point is that it doesn't take millions to believe that, just the select few who make up those relevant governmental positions. And the fact that someone like that can be voted is quite a good showing of evidence that people are idiots.
But that is the point. You can't just assume that people are stupid because they believe something different to you. That is the whole problem.
By that thinking anyone of a different religion is stupid.
But global warming is not something that you believe or not. It's a fucking fact.
That's a completely different point and subject.
The point I am making is that people aren't stupid simply because they don't agree with you, which is what a lot of anti-Trump people say about Trump supporters.
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 17-11-2016 10:10
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ringo182 wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
A tweet by Donald Trump is not evidence that millions of Americans believe global warming if a hoax.
The point is that it doesn't take millions to believe that, just the select few who make up those relevant governmental positions. And the fact that someone like that can be voted is quite a good showing of evidence that people are idiots.
But that is the point. You can't just assume that people are stupid because they believe something different to you. That is the whole problem.
By that thinking anyone of a different religion is stupid.
But global warming is not something that you believe or not. It's a fucking fact.
That's a completely different point and subject.
The point I am making is that people aren't stupid simply because they don't agree with you, which is what a lot of anti-Trump people say about Trump supporters.
Doesn't really matter what the people think anymore. It matters what Trump and the people making policies think. And that tweet makes it clear what Trump thinks. Let's just hope there's enough wise heads to do the actual thinking.
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 17-11-2016 12:49
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Again, Trump won't be appointing people from off the streets. He will be appointing people at the top of their fields. They are intelligent people even if their beliefs and opinions differ to your own.
I expect many of Trumps outlandish claims/promises during the election campaign will be drastically amended once he is actually in power. It would cost billions to build a wall and deport all illegal immigrants for starters.
The underlying problem is the American political system. How can a man with absolutely no political experience have any chance of becoming the President in the first place? That is what needs to be looked at. In what other developed country can a person buy their way into leadership? That is what is truly stupid in all of this.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 17-11-2016 13:05
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ringo182 wrote:
Again, Trump won't be appointing people from off the streets. He will be appointing people at the top of their fields. They are intelligent people even if their beliefs and opinions differ to your own.
I expect many of Trumps outlandish claims/promises during the election campaign will be drastically amended once he is actually in power. It would cost billions to build a wall and deport all illegal immigrants for starters.
The underlying problem is the American political system. How can a man with absolutely no political experience have any chance of becoming the President in the first place? That is what needs to be looked at. In what other developed country can a person buy their way into leadership? That is what is truly stupid in all of this.
Outlandish to you 
As for the not having a political function so far, it's not exactly a bad thing.
In the Parliament elections that will be held next month, I'll vote for a party just like that (created less than one year ago), made by people who haven't been members of other parties before. By this point, it is clear that the old parties won't be reformed any time soon (parties which have at their roots 2nd level politicians from the Communist Party) and we need a major change in the political class.
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 17-11-2016 14:00
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alexkr00 wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
Again, Trump won't be appointing people from off the streets. He will be appointing people at the top of their fields. They are intelligent people even if their beliefs and opinions differ to your own.
I expect many of Trumps outlandish claims/promises during the election campaign will be drastically amended once he is actually in power. It would cost billions to build a wall and deport all illegal immigrants for starters.
The underlying problem is the American political system. How can a man with absolutely no political experience have any chance of becoming the President in the first place? That is what needs to be looked at. In what other developed country can a person buy their way into leadership? That is what is truly stupid in all of this.
Outlandish to you
As for the not having a political function so far, it's not exactly a bad thing.
In the Parliament elections that will be held next month, I'll vote for a party just like that (created less than one year ago), made by people who haven't been members of other parties before. By this point, it is clear that the old parties won't be reformed any time soon (parties which have at their roots 2nd level politicians from the Communist Party) and we need a major change in the political class.
Outlandish and crazy are two very different things 
I agree that new political parties/ideas are good. But there is a very big difference in new political groups starting from the bottom with no experience, as you describe above, and Trump buying his way into the most high profile political job in the World with no experience. I cannot believe that someone can do that in this day and age, in the self-proclaimed most developed country in the World.
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 17-11-2016 15:46
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AbhishekLFC wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
A tweet by Donald Trump is not evidence that millions of Americans believe global warming if a hoax.
The point is that it doesn't take millions to believe that, just the select few who make up those relevant governmental positions. And the fact that someone like that can be voted is quite a good showing of evidence that people are idiots.
But that is the point. You can't just assume that people are stupid because they believe something different to you. That is the whole problem.
By that thinking anyone of a different religion is stupid.
But global warming is not something that you believe or not. It's a fucking fact.
That's a completely different point and subject.
The point I am making is that people aren't stupid simply because they don't agree with you, which is what a lot of anti-Trump people say about Trump supporters.
Doesn't really matter what the people think anymore. It matters what Trump and the people making policies think. And that tweet makes it clear what Trump thinks. Let's just hope there's enough wise heads to do the actual thinking.
That tweet was from 2012. I don't know about you, but opinions can get changed due to facts. It could be that he doesn't oppose climate change anymore, but no. We just pull a 4 year old tweet out, to show how shit someone is...
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 17-11-2016 16:05
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Paul23 wrote:
AbhishekLFC wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
A tweet by Donald Trump is not evidence that millions of Americans believe global warming if a hoax.
The point is that it doesn't take millions to believe that, just the select few who make up those relevant governmental positions. And the fact that someone like that can be voted is quite a good showing of evidence that people are idiots.
But that is the point. You can't just assume that people are stupid because they believe something different to you. That is the whole problem.
By that thinking anyone of a different religion is stupid.
But global warming is not something that you believe or not. It's a fucking fact.
That's a completely different point and subject.
The point I am making is that people aren't stupid simply because they don't agree with you, which is what a lot of anti-Trump people say about Trump supporters.
Doesn't really matter what the people think anymore. It matters what Trump and the people making policies think. And that tweet makes it clear what Trump thinks. Let's just hope there's enough wise heads to do the actual thinking.
That tweet was from 2012. I don't know about you, but opinions can get changed due to facts. It could be that he doesn't oppose climate change anymore, but no. We just pull a 4 year old tweet out, to show how shit someone is...
Right. He has reformed completely.
He thinks climate change is real now. He doesn't think it's cool to grope women anymore. He doesn't think he'd like to have a sexual relationship with his daughter anymore. He has yuuuuge plans for everyone. Oh yes, Mexico will pay for the wall too! Everyone's invited to this 
I think this is better than any movie released this year!
Things just got real people!
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 17-11-2016 16:10
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At least the next 4 years will be interesting. I doubt he'll make it to a second term.
Wonder what the odds are on him being shot or impeached during the next 4 years?
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 17-11-2016 16:16
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ringo182 wrote:
At least the next 4 years will be interesting. I doubt he'll make it to a second term.
Wonder what the odds are on him being shot or impeached during the next 4 years?
The latter has already been predicted by one of the few 'experts' who also predicted a Trump win, so time will tell (if that is any indication at all!).
And about it being interesting, I doubt the Republican party, with its fundamentally conservative make-up, will let Trump have free reign over policy-making, as is the case with most Presidents tbh. He will have free reign over his mouth, which can cause a few toes to be stepped on. I think a lot of people are waiting to see if he changes the way he talks in public after taking the oath.
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| matt17br |
Posted on 17-11-2016 16:27
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Please guys avoid those quote pyramids :/
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 17-11-2016 16:56
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ringo182 wrote:
The underlying problem is the American political system. How can a man with absolutely no political experience have any chance of becoming the President in the first place? That is what needs to be looked at. In what other developed country can a person buy their way into leadership? That is what is truly stupid in all of this.
Every president buys himself in. Atleast Trump used his own money.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 17-11-2016 17:13
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How did Trump buy himself in? He spent much less money than most Republicans candidate do nowdays through primaries. He only started getting real donor money after getting GOP nomination. Trump had the social media presence plus the rhetoric to gather quick following and it spread from there.
GOP did everything possible in fact to make sure Trump wouldn't get nomination, but they realized that wasn't happening.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 17-11-2016 17:31
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Spilak23 wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
The underlying problem is the American political system. How can a man with absolutely no political experience have any chance of becoming the President in the first place? That is what needs to be looked at. In what other developed country can a person buy their way into leadership? That is what is truly stupid in all of this.
Every president buys himself in. Atleast Trump used his own money.
Yeeaaaaaaaaaaaaah, no.
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 17-11-2016 19:10
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Spoiler AbhishekLFC wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
AbhishekLFC wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
A tweet by Donald Trump is not evidence that millions of Americans believe global warming if a hoax.
The point is that it doesn't take millions to believe that, just the select few who make up those relevant governmental positions. And the fact that someone like that can be voted is quite a good showing of evidence that people are idiots.
But that is the point. You can't just assume that people are stupid because they believe something different to you. That is the whole problem.
By that thinking anyone of a different religion is stupid.
But global warming is not something that you believe or not. It's a fucking fact.
That's a completely different point and subject.
The point I am making is that people aren't stupid simply because they don't agree with you, which is what a lot of anti-Trump people say about Trump supporters.
Doesn't really matter what the people think anymore. It matters what Trump and the people making policies think. And that tweet makes it clear what Trump thinks. Let's just hope there's enough wise heads to do the actual thinking.
That tweet was from 2012. I don't know about you, but opinions can get changed due to facts. It could be that he doesn't oppose climate change anymore, but no. We just pull a 4 year old tweet out, to show how shit someone is...
Right. He has reformed completely.
He thinks climate change is real now. He doesn't think it's cool to grope women anymore. He doesn't think he'd like to have a sexual relationship with his daughter anymore. He has yuuuuge plans for everyone. Oh yes, Mexico will pay for the wall too! Everyone's invited to this
I think this is better than any movie released this year!
Things just got real people!
Do I really need to answer this?
Well, I do.
"He thinks climate change is real now."
You base that on a quote from 2012.
"He doesn't think it's cool to grope women anymore."
You base that on a quote from 2005.
"He doesn't think he'd like to have a sexual relationship with his daughter anymore."
You base that on a quote from 2015, which is quite new, so I will go deeper on that. He only said, that he thinks that his daughter is attractive and that he would, if he wouldn't be her father. Nothing wrong with that, if you think about it. He just said it as he thinks it is. As a man, he finds her attractive, which you can do as a father, but nothing more. Again, hyped by the media. Also, weren't you from Turkey? Quite an ironic thing to make fun of that, if you're from a country, were child marriage is accepted(it's forbidden by the law, but many muslims are not against it)
"He has yuuuuge plans for everyone."
You don't know what plans he has, do you?
"Oh yes, Mexico will pay for the wall too! Everyone's invited to this "
The wall itself isn't a big thing in my opinion, but yes, letting Mexico pay for it is stupid. He won't be able to let that happen. I hope the wall will happen, though. It's not that Clinton didn't want to build a "barrier"...
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 17-11-2016 21:34
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Haha whatever, it's creepy as fuck to say that about your daughter. Trump is the kind of guy that if you told him to go fuck himself he'd give it a try.
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 18-11-2016 00:36
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
Haha whatever, it's creepy as fuck to say that about your daughter. Trump is the kind of guy that if you told him to go fuck himself he'd give it a try.
You know what's not only creepy, but also cringeworthy as fuck? Seeing people on the internet, attacking a Person, they never met, they don't personally know, just by some of his opinions. I would never go with my daughter, but I would be able to look at her unbiased and make her compliments, totally without being dishonest. I would just say How I think it is.
But Well, you guys are probably a big part of Trumps success afterall. Loads of people are sick and tired of people in the internet attacking everything and everyone who is not conform with their opinion. They didn't vote for Trump. They voted against people like you, who are full of arrogance, whilst also not tolerating opinions(but on the other Hand you want yours to get tolerated).
I got Messages in Skype by people of this very Forum, that I should kill myself for fancying to vote for the AfD, because they are not tolerant. Are you even seeing the irony? I was asked to leave daily multiple times. Why am I not doing it? Because with me being here, you will atleast get a different opinion on certain topics, even if you are against them, but at least you heard them, which stops daily from becoming a big echochamber, where you just hear what you want to hear.
I'm not saying that politics belong everywhere, hence it is good that we have this thread, although I sometimes go out of boundaries. I understand that people don't like that. On the other Hand, certain Managers put their political Statements in the MG and Nobody cares. It's this Simple Twist of morale, which is nagging me. But since I strongly have the feeling, that Nobody bothers to read long Texts by me, I will not make this longer.
Just a quick Edit: "Haha whatever" is the best you could come up with? Great Argument.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 18-11-2016 01:02
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I'm sorry but he said he would date his daughter if she wasn't related to him, which insinuates he is attracted to her and only the label is standing in the way. If he wasn't attracted to her, he wouldn't possibly know that he would be if they weren't related.
I'm not sure why you're making that specific case out to be more than it is in the rest of your post. It seems pretty clear how weird it is to me. But hey, I hear plenty of girls are into the daddy kink, so maybe you could use that in your favor. 
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| Avin Wargunnson |
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Paul23 wrote:
"He doesn't think he'd like to have a sexual relationship with his daughter anymore."
You base that on a quote from 2015, which is quite new, so I will go deeper on that. He only said, that he thinks that his daughter is attractive and that he would, if he wouldn't be her father. Nothing wrong with that, if you think about it. He just said it as he thinks it is. As a man, he finds her attractive, which you can do as a father, but nothing more. Again, hyped by the media. Also, weren't you from Turkey? Quite an ironic thing to make fun of that, if you're from a country, were child marriage is accepted(it's forbidden by the law, but many muslims are not against it)
No, just no...this not normal by any means, when you have a child, it is your child and you dont simply have thoughts about them being sexually attractive...if you have, you are a pervert and dangerous being for your children. I am not saying this is very important for elections, but it tells something more about the person that can say something like that. Maybe these words are apealing for american rednecks, who bang their relatives for centuries and thus he had their vote.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 18-11-2016 07:24
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ringo182 wrote:
My point is that you can't just say a particular political viewpoint is crazy, or that half of a country is stupid because they do not believe the same thing as you.
Ehm...what?
Ofc you can tell that some viewpoint is crazy, from base of reason and past experiences.
For example we know, that common possesion of things like communism portraits it is crazy idea, at least if it should be brought to reality. (it sounds okay in theory, but is not possible to actually exist irl).
We also know, that firce nationalism is crazy and dangerous idea, nothing good has ever came from that political standpoint.
When somebody tells you that 9/11 was inside job, you know he is crazy...
When somebody tells you about moon landing being a fake, you know he is crazy.
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When somebody says team SKY is clean, you know he is crazy.
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 18-11-2016 08:13
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
ringo182 wrote:
My point is that you can't just say a particular political viewpoint is crazy, or that half of a country is stupid because they do not believe the same thing as you.
Ehm...what?
Ofc you can tell that some viewpoint is crazy, from base of reason and past experiences.
For example we know, that common possesion of things like communism portraits it is crazy idea, at least if it should be brought to reality. (it sounds okay in theory, but is not possible to actually exist irl).
We also know, that firce nationalism is crazy and dangerous idea, nothing good has ever came from that political standpoint.
When somebody tells you that 9/11 was inside job, you know he is crazy...
When somebody tells you about moon landing being a fake, you know he is crazy.
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When somebody says team SKY is clean, you know he is crazy.
There's a big difference between conspiracy theories and political viewpoints. Obviously conspiracy theories such as 911, the moon and Team Sky being on dope ( ) are stupid and crazy, but a conspiracy theory is not a political viewpoint/theory.
Also, communism and nationalism have failed before in some countries. But in others they are still working to this day. Is China not the biggest economy in the World? Certainly in the top two or three.
Just because it isn't the policy of your own country doesn't mean it is crazy. What is crazy to you is reasonable to someone else.
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