Now that we've all cleaned up all of this danish spunk off of our faces, how do you guys evaluate your nation's results in these olympics?
Portugal was pretty meh. We had a handful of really promising chances, but only got a bronze medal. Still I really appreciate our guys efforts.
Edited by Gustavovskiy on 21-08-2016 22:18
For Spain, medal's number is the same as in London (17), but going from 3 to 7 Gold medals is more than expected,
Most of gold came from previous silver or bronze in London or from superstars from that sport (Nadal and Marin), so most of them were kind of predictable to be at least bronze
Happy with what Spain has achieved in this Olympics
Gustavovskiy wrote:
Now that we've all cleaned up all of this danish spunk off of our faces, how do you guys evaluate your nation's results in these olympics?
Portugal was pretty meh. We had a handful of really promising chances, but only got a bronze medal. Still I really appreciate our guys efforts.
Objective was 8 golds and 25 to 30 medals in total, we got 8 golds and 28 medals. Where favourites failed to deliver - Nibali, Pellegrini, Zublasing, Fencing in general - outside picks made up for them thanks to some really unexpected golds such as the one we got in judo or the double we got in the female skeet. I'm quite bitter about not being able to celebrate a gold in volley for the first time at the Olympics, but hey ho.
The Netherlands can be summerized in one sentence, overall we did better, in focus sports we did worse
where we hughly invest in (swimming/judo/Equestrian) had "only" a bronze medal in judo. in comparisment we had 4 medals in swimming, 2 bronze in judo and 4 medals in equastiran in london and judo was already considered a hugh failure at london. also "sure thing" gold medals in Dumoulin at the TT, Schippers at the 200 meters, womens (and men's to an extant) field hockey teams and Zonderland in men's horizontal bar didn't happen so that kinda hurt us as well. #yurigate happend. in addition to that we have 10 4th places over all sports. only van Rijsselberghe (Sailing Men's RS:X) did want was expected was.
on the flip side, Wevers winning gold in balance beam, Lightlee winning gold in Keirin, Fontijn winning silver in boxing (first time we qualified for boxing since 1992), van den Berg had a great run in Archery, Van Gorkom's silver at BMX, we had a diver for the first time since 1992, Thorsdottir finishing 9th in all-around gymnastics finals (highest ever), Women's Handball placed 4th as did the women's volleyball. holland eight (rowing) got bronze. beach volleyball bronze for Brouwer/Meeuwsen
baseballlover312 wrote:
I mean it's not even really fair for me to take part in this kind of discussion.
Why not ?
Because they have won trillion of medals?
Anyway i would not change - what means 120 medals from Olympic games, when you have Trump vs. Hillary for president and such a large percentage of yours inhabitans live in poverty or are illiterate? Society oriented on success like no other, no wonder they win stuff - the children of rich people do.
Ehm, so that brings me to Czech Republic - 10 medals is nice for such a small country i guess, but just one gold is surprise and the value of medals is worst ever for our country. Especially canoeing was expected to be better, also our athletes are not top of the game anymore.
For Slovakia it was nice games, only four medals, but two golds+two silvers, three of these coming from canoeing, usual thing.
@Tamijo: He's from the USA, so we don't really need to hear something like "I was disappointed that we only got 51 more medals than any other country"
(bet you knew that already)
Some great surprises, a lot of near misses and some big let-downs too. There were huge expectations of the swim team and for the second Games in a row, they couldn't really live up to the hype. Cam McEvoy was expected to dominate in the men's 50 and 100 freestyle but finished outside the medals, similar with the Campbell sisters in the women's. Three gold medals (Mack Horton, Kyle Chalmers and the women's 4x100 freestyle) was still an improvement on the well-publicised failings in London, but isn't exactly what we hoped for. Canoeing and rowing had some strong performances again, Kim Brennan with a gold in the single sculls while Jess Fox got bronze after a silver last time in the slalom canoeing. Plenty of minor placings in all the aquatic events really, with the sailors again having a successful campaign.
Only one silver and a bronze for Anna Meares in cycling. It was probably our worst performance in a very long time, but bad luck certainly played a part in the BMX. Our team sports are usually strong, but only the women's sevens team came home with anything to show for it. Hockey and water polo teams were all knocked out early, while both basketball teams missed out after looking very impressive at the start.
On a more positive note, there were surprise gold medals won in both shooting and modern pentathlon which provided some of the biggest highlights of the Olympics. A young athletics team mostly showed that they could be stars of the future, with several finalists and two medals in the men's walk. Archery and equestrian medals showed that we are still able to compete well in those events too.
Overall, not as successful as some had hoped, but some great performances and lots to be excited about for the Gold Coast Commonwealth Games in 2018 and Tokyo two years after.
Great Olympics for GB, who are likely to continue to fund Olympic sporting events to the moon in the foreseeable future.
For me they were slightly disappointing in Rowing and Boxing (Women's boxing stull has threadbare competition) but only just underperformed in those. We are very lucky to have some amazing superstars such as Kenny, Trott, Farah, Brownlees. Not sure the nation deserves that sort of success given the way we act at times.
Watching this year I noted again how we really could do with some of these multiple medal winners toned down. If we are going to increase sports by including Golf, Rugby etc (which I think is quite a good idea) lets decrease these multiple medal winners.
Swimming, Athletics and Rowing are biggest culprits -
Swimming - Katie Ledecky is a fantastic long distance freestyle swimmer but three golds 200, 400 and 800 is pretty silly. Don't get me started on 'greatest Olympian ever' Michael Phelps, no doubt he is fantastic but he Butterfly + Medley + Relay + Freestyle medal are too many. (Why is there TWO Freestyle relays?)
Athletics - 200m is B final 100m, 5000m is essentially scaled down 10,000m. Runners are running these things as afterthoughts.
Rowing - We are missing the best against the best. Take away pointless coxless four and multiple person sculls and all the lightweight categories. It should not be about avoiding the unbeatables (The NZ mens pair for example)
I do understand Swimming and Athletics are seen as blue riband events but it seems strange that these events get ring fenced when track cycling and others for example has been forced to down size and some sports such as baseball/softball have been got rid of altogether.
One or two more observations:
- Boxing fell away for me with new scoring system. I know they are trying to move away from old amateur system but why use broken professional system which works okay for 8 + rounds but is silly for three/four rounds.
- That said the sight of many Taekwando gold medalist running away from opponent in last minute was stupid too.
- The Russia thing stained throughout, the hypocrisy/stupidity of US/Australian swimmers was underlined by later activities.
- Looks like Teflon Bolt is going to get through career with no worldwide doping case, despite three dirty relay golds partnering with is Jamaican drug mules.
- Brazilian fans remembered for me for booing of French pole vaulter and booing of gymnasts for scoring higher than their athletes. This is blatent poor sportsmanship disgrace.
- Rio has a fantastic beach and topography but peel back layer and you see a bit of shanty town. Brazil could well be heading for huge mess, legacy of WC/Olympics will be none I am dispappointed to say. Bit worried for paralympians (though frankly I find that pretty much unwatchable) I would imagine we may see many negative headlines from that.
Sport I enjoyed the most that I didn't see much of before was Sailing, looks like a really interesting tactical/ luck based minefield.
Never really been able to care about how many medals or how good/bad Denmark did in sports I barely know about. I mean, its fine and all, but at the end of the day, I really feel indifferent to it. Im not patriotic by no means, but I still expected myself to be glad or at least have some feelings. I simply can't root for people I really have no clue of who is just because they are Danish. I mean, are you supposed to do that? Root for someone because they are born in the same country as you?
I also think its sad to see the main channels more or less exclusively show sports where we are competitive and have a chance of winning, without some of the big hitter sports, obviously. I know its like that in every other country as well and it maybe because Im not to the nationalistic and patriotic side, but really, I just wanna watch some good sport. I honestly don't care if that person comes from Spain, Denmark or USA.
Fuglsang's medal was nice, I know him and he is a genuinely good guy (and looks formidable on the bike). The rest? Meh. I would trade all of it for a Valverde victory in Spain and Im not kidding.
I see that the dry British sense of humour doesn't translate to an international message board
Obviously GB did amazingly well. Will be interesting to see if we can keep it up.
The most impressive stat is that GB won gold medals in 16 of the 28 sports. Even America only managed to win gold in 14 of the sports which shows we are not a one trick cycling pony as some suggest.
baseballlover312 wrote:
I mean it's not even really fair for me to take part in this kind of discussion.
Why not ?
Because they have won trillion of medals?
I don't see why it is unfair to comment on the succes of you country (and the disapointments, here must be some) even if you get 120 medals.
First of all, on reason not to be proud !
and
For a country this size 120 medals is great, but not unbelivable.
Rank
Country
Medals
Population
Population
per Medal
1
Grenada
1
106,825
106,825
2
Bahamas
2
388,019
194,009
3
Jamaica
11
2,725,941
247,812
4
New Zealand
18
4,595,700
255,316
5
Denmark
15
5,676,002
378,4
6
Croatia
10
4,224,404
422,44
7
Slovenia
4
2,063,768
515,942
8
Georgia
7
3,679,000
525,571
9
Azerbaijan
18
9,651,349
536,186
10
Hungary
15
9,844,686
656,312
The Big Countrys :
Rank
Country
Medals
Population
Population
per Medal
19
Great Britain
67
65,138,232
972,212
30
France
42
66,808,385
1,590,675
35
Germany
42
81,413,145
1,938,408
42
Russian Federation
56
144,096,812
2,573,157
43
United States
121
321,418,820
2,656,353
45
Japan
41
126,958,472
3,096,548
76
China
70
1,371,220,000
19,588,857
My analyse would be that (besides the very small) UK did best.
Jamaica, France, New Zealand, United States and Denmark very good too.
Edited by Tamijo on 22-08-2016 09:26
Great Olympics for GB, who are likely to continue to fund Olympic sporting events to the moon in the foreseeable future.
For me they were slightly disappointing in Rowing and Boxing (Women's boxing stull has threadbare competition) but only just underperformed in those. We are very lucky to have some amazing superstars such as Kenny, Trott, Farah, Brownlees. Not sure the nation deserves that sort of success given the way we act at times.
Watching this year I noted again how we really could do with some of these multiple medal winners toned down. If we are going to increase sports by including Golf, Rugby etc (which I think is quite a good idea) lets decrease these multiple medal winners.
Swimming, Athletics and Rowing are biggest culprits -
Swimming - Katie Ledecky is a fantastic long distance freestyle swimmer but three golds 200, 400 and 800 is pretty silly. Don't get me started on 'greatest Olympian ever' Michael Phelps, no doubt he is fantastic but he Butterfly + Medley + Relay + Freestyle medal are too many. (Why is there TWO Freestyle relays?)
Athletics - 200m is B final 100m, 5000m is essentially scaled down 10,000m. Runners are running these things as afterthoughts.
Rowing - We are missing the best against the best. Take away pointless coxless four and multiple person sculls and all the lightweight categories. It should not be about avoiding the unbeatables (The NZ mens pair for example)
I do understand Swimming and Athletics are seen as blue riband events but it seems strange that these events get ring fenced when track cycling and others for example has been forced to down size and some sports such as baseball/softball have been got rid of altogether.
One or two more observations:
- Boxing fell away for me with new scoring system. I know they are trying to move away from old amateur system but why use broken professional system which works okay for 8 + rounds but is silly for three/four rounds.
- That said the sight of many Taekwando gold medalist running away from opponent in last minute was stupid too.
- The Russia thing stained throughout, the hypocrisy/stupidity of US/Australian swimmers was underlined by later activities.
- Looks like Teflon Bolt is going to get through career with no worldwide doping case, despite three dirty relay golds partnering with is Jamaican drug mules.
- Brazilian fans remembered for me for booing of French pole vaulter and booing of gymnasts for scoring higher than their athletes. This is blatent poor sportsmanship disgrace.
- Rio has a fantastic beach and topography but peel back layer and you see a bit of shanty town. Brazil could well be heading for huge mess, legacy of WC/Olympics will be none I am dispappointed to say. Bit worried for paralympians (though frankly I find that pretty much unwatchable) I would imagine we may see many negative headlines from that.
Sport I enjoyed the most that I didn't see much of before was Sailing, looks like a really interesting tactical/ luck based minefield.
I totally agree about the medal distribution. Although I like the 200m sprint, we could easily lose the 20km walk, 4x200 freestyle and lightweight rowing.
I don't think the Aussies should be lumped in with the stupidity of Lochte and co.. Josh Palmer got drunk to excess and justifiably wasn't allowed to march, but that's the only big indiscretion I can remember. Emma McKeon's temporary ban was really just a result of miscommunication and the AOC took responsibility for the nine athletes trying to sneak into the basketball game.
The Brazilian crowd's booing of some athletes competing against their favourites wasn't good to see, but not surprising given they are more used to behaving like football/basketball crowds. I'm personally still excited for the Paralympics but as you said there is so much potential for disaster there.
Never really been able to care about how many medals or how good/bad Denmark did in sports I barely know about. I mean, its fine and all, but at the end of the day, I really feel indifferent to it. Im not patriotic by no means, but I still expected myself to be glad or at least have some feelings. I simply can't root for people I really have no clue of who is just because they are Danish. I mean, are you supposed to do that? Root for someone because they are born in the same country as you?
I also think its sad to see the main channels more or less exclusively show sports where we are competitive and have a chance of winning, without some of the big hitter sports, obviously. I know its like that in every other country as well and it maybe because Im not to the nationalistic and patriotic side, but really, I just wanna watch some good sport. I honestly don't care if that person comes from Spain, Denmark or USA.
I often feel the same way about individuals competing for my country. Fortunately the coverage here has been better recently; often we get a little video package/backstory on our athletes who are competing which means that it's not just pure nationalism involved in supporting them.
I used to agree with the second sentiment too, but the counterpoint is that many people watching at home (some in remote areas with limited internet access) will want to be able to see their friends and family competing. When that is the case, I'm glad they show local athletes even when they have no real chance of success.
Having said that, I'm planning on watching the handball over the next few weeks because it was hardly covered at all on TV, so I do agree that most coverage isn't diverse enough.
Edited by OZrocker on 22-08-2016 09:54
I'm personally still excited for the Paralympics but as you said there is so much potential for disaster there.
The BBC are reporting that only around 10% of tickets have been sold to date, so if you think the attendance at the Olympics was bad then you haven't seen anything yet.
Riis123 wrote:
Never really been able to care about how many medals or how good/bad Denmark did in sports I barely know about.
I perfectly understand your point, but I just guess is human nature to bond with things close to you. Like Family, Town, Region (if large nation), Nation.
As long as it is not turning into fanaticism, hate and violence I believe it is fine.
It can be a good thing adding to a much needed cohesiveness in the modern society, where is it often the success of “my myself and I” in focus.
Riis123 wrote:
Never really been able to care about how many medals or how good/bad Denmark did in sports I barely know about. I mean, its fine and all, but at the end of the day, I really feel indifferent to it. Im not patriotic by no means, but I still expected myself to be glad or at least have some feelings. I simply can't root for people I really have no clue of who is just because they are Danish. I mean, are you supposed to do that? Root for someone because they are born in the same country as you?
And yet you have a picture of Rasmussen as your avatar and your username is Riis, unless by coincidence that is also your name
I think rooting for your own country is even more important in sports you know nothing about because who else are you going to support? Supporting a particular team or person is what makes a lot of sports interesting. I have no real interest in many sports Britain aren't competing in as I have no interest in who wins. If you don't care who wins then what is the point in watching judo or synchronized diving or horse dancing?
Obviously being over nationalistic is equally unhealthy/annoying, but there is nothing wrong with supporting the country you live in, whether or not you know anything about the athletes.
Riis123 wrote:
Never really been able to care about how many medals or how good/bad Denmark did in sports I barely know about. I mean, its fine and all, but at the end of the day, I really feel indifferent to it. Im not patriotic by no means, but I still expected myself to be glad or at least have some feelings. I simply can't root for people I really have no clue of who is just because they are Danish. I mean, are you supposed to do that? Root for someone because they are born in the same country as you?
And yet you have a picture of Rasmussen as your avatar and your username is Riis, unless by coincidence that is also your name
I think rooting for your own country is even more important in sports you know nothing about because who else are you going to support? Supporting a particular team or person is what makes a lot of sports interesting. I have no real interest in many sports Britain aren't competing in as I have no interest in who wins. If you don't care who wins then what is the point in watching judo or synchronized diving or horse dancing?
Obviously being over nationalistic is equally unhealthy/annoying, but there is nothing wrong with supporting the country you live in, whether or not you know anything about the athletes.
My surname is Riis and the avatar was from an avatar-bet between me and Shonak, altho Im defo a huge Rasmussen-fan. One of the few Danes I rooted for.
The nationalism and patriotism showcased especially during the Olympics is pretty depressing to me.
Riis123 wrote:
Never really been able to care about how many medals or how good/bad Denmark did in sports I barely know about. I mean, its fine and all, but at the end of the day, I really feel indifferent to it. Im not patriotic by no means, but I still expected myself to be glad or at least have some feelings. I simply can't root for people I really have no clue of who is just because they are Danish. I mean, are you supposed to do that? Root for someone because they are born in the same country as you?
And yet you have a picture of Rasmussen as your avatar and your username is Riis, unless by coincidence that is also your name
I think rooting for your own country is even more important in sports you know nothing about because who else are you going to support? Supporting a particular team or person is what makes a lot of sports interesting. I have no real interest in many sports Britain aren't competing in as I have no interest in who wins. If you don't care who wins then what is the point in watching judo or synchronized diving or horse dancing?
Obviously being over nationalistic is equally unhealthy/annoying, but there is nothing wrong with supporting the country you live in, whether or not you know anything about the athletes.
My surname is Riis and the avatar was from an avatar-bet between me and Shonak, altho Im defo a huge Rasmussen-fan. One of the few Danes I rooted for.
The Netherlands can be summerized in one sentence, overall we did better, in focus sports we did worse
- 10 medals is nice for such a small country i guess, but just one gold is surprise and the value of medals is worst ever for our country. Especially canoeing was expected to be better, also our athletes are not top of the game anymore.
it was nice games, only four medals, but two golds+two silvers, three of these coming from canoeing, usual thing.
(bet you knew that already)
