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| Bikex |
Posted on 12-07-2016 14:35
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Okay I'll let Luigi decide what he wants to do about it.
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I know last year I was critisized for posting the calendar so late, so I wanted to do it earlier this year, but obviously failed again at it. My current problem is that I don't have very much time at the moment as I have several exams coming up. The plan is to have the season start in mid August as until then I have enough time for all the db editing and other important stuff.
For those interested the calendar will stay similar to what it is now. Only Descente Pavee will be removed. Despite all the criticism Virginia Chrono Tour will stay a WT race the way it is now (maybe with a shorter TTT and without Points classification). I guess every WT team can afford 4 race days for 5 riders for the race. Deutschland Tour will be shortened to 8 race days and will be a race for the puncheurs, Guatemala will also be made shorter (5 or 6 race days) with TTs and Mountains, while Fuji will be a race for the pure climbers. Fleche Wallonne will be a WT race, Paris - Tours as well probably.
Added to the calendar will be trekbmc's Aleko Vitosa: https://pcmdaily.com/stagedb/stage.php...ge_id=2118 as a replacement for Descente Pavee. A CT.2 Cobbled stage race will be added: I thought about De Panne or Dunkerque. Richmond WC route and Rio Olympics route will become CT races. Giro Emilia and Tre Valle Varesine will be added as late season CT classics.
Maybe there needs to be one more WT and possibly CT stage race, suggestions are welcome.
As there are less U23 teams this season I thought about opening U23 races also for other teams if they can field a squad according to the U23 team regulations. Any thoughts about that?
For the xml files every race will have the standard icl or the icl sprint file:
Standard:
Spoiler | HC | Kat1 | Kat2 | Kat3 | Kat4 | | 1 | 25 | 20 | 12 | 7 | 4 | | 2 | 20 | 16 | 9 | 5 | 2 | | 3 | 17 | 13 | 7 | 3 | 1 | | 4 | 14 | 11 | 5 | 2 | | | 5 | 12 | 9 | 4 | 1 | | | 6 | 10 | 7 | 3 | | | | 7 | 9 | 6 | 2 | | | | 8 | 8 | 5 | 1 | | | | 9 | 7 | 4 | | | | | 10 | 6 | 3 | | | | | 11 | 5 | 2 | | | | | 12 | 4 | 1 | | | | | 13 | 3 | | | | | | 14 | 2 | | | | | | 15 | 1 | | | | |
| Intermediate | | FlatFinish | HillFinish | MountainFinish | | | 1 | 10 | -3" | 35 | 25 | 15 | 10" | | 2 | 7 | -2" | 28 | 20 | 12 | -6" | | 3 | 5 | -1" | 24 | 16 | 10 | -4" | | 4 | 3 | | 20 | 13 | 8 | | | 5 | 2 | | 17 | 11 | 6 | | | 6 | 1 | | 15 | 10 | 5 | | | 7 | | | 14 | 9 | 4 | | | 8 | | | 13 | 8 | 3 | | | 9 | | | 12 | 7 | 2 | | | 10 | | | 11 | 6 | 1 | | | 11 | | | 10 | 5 | | | | 12 | | | 9 | 4 | | | | 13 | | | 8 | 3 | | | | 14 | | | 7 | 2 | | | | 15 | | | 6 | 1 | | | | 16 | | | 5 | | | | | 17 | | | 4 | | | | | 18 | | | 3 | | | | | 19 | | | 2 | | | | | 20 | | | 1 | | | |
Sprint:
Spoiler Bonus Seconds:
| IS | Finish | | 1 | 7 | 30 | | 2 | 5 | 22 | | 3 | 3 | 16 | | 4 | 2 | 11 | | 5 | 1 | 8 | | 6 | | 6 | | 7 | | 4 | | 8 | | 3 | | 9 | | 2 | | 10 | | 1 |
I'd also like to hear some oppinions about all the points allocation. In the standard file I'll probably higher the points on a sprint stage still. For the Sprint file I still want to change something on the points rewarded, as with the current system the final points classification is very similar to the final GC in sprint stage races, often even the same. Which makes sense but it is pointless to have two almost identical classifications. Either I want to give only the top 3/5 points at the finish or points with the same difference, so 20,19,...,1 points for the top 20. I'm not sure which idea I prefer there.  |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 12-07-2016 14:36
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Hey guys sorry for my absence these last few days, my wifi has not been working since Friday morning and I can only use up my data plan to keep up with the world atm, and since it's only 1 gb I dispose of I can't really keep up with daily. Would just like to ask you guys to send me any offers that come to your mind about our riders and I'll eventually respond if my wifi comes back before I leave for a 2 weeks holiday,which is sadly pretty soon. Hopefully I'm not too late for the transfers when it is back.
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 12-07-2016 15:58
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For me the Dev Tour should stay the Dev Tour and don´t allow other teams to join that...
Also on races I´d like to be seen added: There´s Samu12´s Czech Republic Tour looking good...otherwise the Tour de San Luis or Tour of Slovenia could be interesting...in other terms the MG Tour du Faso could be interesting...
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| jserna735 |
Posted on 12-07-2016 16:15
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If a team can field a squad under the same rules as an U23 team, I feel they should be allowed in, as long as that team does not also have an U23 team.
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| knockout |
Posted on 12-07-2016 16:20
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Virginia Chrono Your : No Points or KoM classification !!!
I like the changes to the triple header a lot!
You're looking for another WT stage race? What about Tour of Qatar or World Ports Classic? 
A Big Thank You To All MG Reporters! |
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| OZrocker |
Posted on 12-07-2016 16:35
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From the transfer discussion topic...
SSJ2Luigi wrote:
are there multiple transfer rounds or does everything end on monday?
if so fuck my life, didn't want to go into transfers just yet but someone told me they end tomorrow and I paniced 
So I agree with those above, we should let Luigi decide.
@Bikex I don't have any concerns about not having a full calendar yet, so long as we know that it will likely be the same as last year with the few minor changes which you mentioned. Also if it helps for the U23 races, you could add a few national youth teams or even continental ones (i.e. South America U23, Africa U23 etc.).
The sprint stage races are an interesting one. I'd suggest you can try applying both those methods (top 3/5 only and 20-1) to some past races to see which one gives you the best points classification results.
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| Scatmaster111 |
Posted on 13-07-2016 01:21
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For the U23 races, maybe not field CT teams, but have additional national selections as OZrocker suggested.
My suggestions for another CT stage race would be Mzansi Tour or Tobago International Cycling Classic (I realise neither of those are UCI races irl but whatevs)
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| jserna735 |
Posted on 13-07-2016 03:50
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im good with adding just national teams, if need be, i can do an all Colombia U23 team.
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 13-07-2016 06:14
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If you are still looking at 1 more CT stage race, maybe we can have both de Panne and Dunkerque instead of choosing one of them.
As far as the U23s go, I'd go with OZRocker's idea of continental U23 teams, one for each of the 6 continents. This could be a good alternative to choosing particular countries for U23 teams.
Also, I was thinking if we could have a 1 day race before the actual season starts among only the newcomers of ICL. Sort of newbie pre-season bragging rights thing  . This will not have any impact on days raced off course.
Edited by AbhishekLFC on 13-07-2016 07:45
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| The Rider |
Posted on 13-07-2016 10:11
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Regarding the Vegata situation: I know Luigi wrote he was going to get rid of Majka and he had offers meeting min. but at the end of the day he missed the deadline to confirm the deal and if he lost Majka his team would be too weak for the WT, wouldn't it?! So I say he should keep him.
(If he loses Majka, presumable he goes to SAP who would then have 3 top WT quality riders compared to Vegata's 0.) |
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 13-07-2016 10:31
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I'm not really sure how Vegeta's situation is but I'll be happy with whatever decision is made (despite Luigi's random and unexplained disliking of my posts), I felt a bit ripped off by his lacking and very slow replies to my PMs to negotiate when I was holding up several managers waiting to see if a deal went through, but if he's away then that's fair enough I guess and it sounds like he's problem started when he misinterpreted me when I told him this round of transfers closed, so when he finally put him up it meant I couldn't afford Budyak and was forced to sell Auer fast (who I was hoping to wait with until I had confirmed Majka)
Is a little annoying though because I based this whole transfers around getting a leader and eventually settled on Majka where I lost Nieve and Auer to sign him. 
But as TR said, I do have Terpstra, Kwiatkowski, De Gendt and Nizzolo so it's hardly a disaster for us while it might be for Vegeta.
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| Bikex |
Posted on 13-07-2016 10:53
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I'm sorry for trekbmc and everyone else that had a bid on Majka, but Majka will stay with Luigi's team for now. As he told me by PM, you will be able to buy Majka in the second round, so it shouldn't be mess up too much for other teams. It is also not clear what bid Luigi would've accepted so planning on definitely getting Majka was risky anyways.
Also the issue with fjhoekie is solved. He paid an understandably high wage for Krasilnikau on whom noone else bid in the first transfer round so I let him take away some of that wage and put it on U23 riders so that he meets the U23 team regulations.
This is the DB after the Transfer round: https://www.mediafire.com/download/6cu...-R1.3.xlsx
Here is the file for FA round 2: https://www.mediafire.com/download/ci0...nts+2.xlsx
Same rules as for the first round.
The deadline for that is 48 hours. Teams that still will need to sign some U23 riders are told so in the file. But only for Celesio that will really be hard.
Edited by Bikex on 13-07-2016 11:17
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 13-07-2016 11:13
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thx for the file :) though I´m not happy with the result of this...Luigi had enough options to select a trade he likes or bother before on negotiating with people and answering PMs...instead the only thing I´ve seen him bothering is posting on "an even funnier topic", not even bothering to comment something here about the case all waiting for...& for him it´s the best possible outcome as the price for him will increase massively like that despite acting kind of against the rules - he´s somehow taken advantage of missing deadlines like this now
Spoiler I know my chances on taking Majka will go down rapidly by writing this, but it´s just my personal opinion on this case - no offense against you as a person Luigi, but the communication on this case was really improveable for me
but now we have a solution and the show can go on, thx bikex :)
I very much appreciate the solvement of the issue with fjhoekie. Great solution in my opinion!
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| Marcovdw |
Posted on 13-07-2016 11:14
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The DB and the file are the same link
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| Bikex |
Posted on 13-07-2016 11:18
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Oops 
Fixed the link. |
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| brewers90 |
Posted on 13-07-2016 14:55
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Easy round for me, this. Some teams in a real spot of financial bother though. It will be interesting to see how they get out of it.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 13-07-2016 15:12
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Please no more WT stage races, calendar is packed.
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| Vali |
Posted on 13-07-2016 17:31
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Very sorry about my absence these last few days. I was at a place without wifi, as rare as that may sound. 
Anyway as I see I've only got one of my targets with Cancellara, which means that my team is still seriously lacking some leaders and some riders in general to fill the minimum.
Credits to the_hoyle for my avatar. |
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| jserna735 |
Posted on 13-07-2016 18:38
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Not sure if anyone explained it already, but what is the scale for Scouting points?
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| Bikex |
Posted on 13-07-2016 19:27
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jserna735 wrote:
Not sure if anyone explained it already, but what is the scale for Scouting points?
The idea initially was that it would be a talent focus from 0 - 100 with 100 being 2000. This is rather pointless, though with the way scouting is now, so just put there what you think (each talent focus point gives 20), but you can also directly write into the cell that has the formula with that in it. |
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