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| Strydz |
Posted on 30-03-2016 15:08
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Christer wrote:
While it may just be your opinion, Ian, I honestly think it's an opinion you should change. If the author is anonymous, it'd be easier for them to take up controversial topics that could cause them to become shut out from the peloton. With them being anonymous, they can take up these issues with little risk of losing their job.
Are there issues with anonymity? Definitely! That's why we should be thinking critically. Should we dismiss something just because people are anonymous? Hell no. With such attitude, I wonder why you even bother using forums...
But do the articles really say anything that would put the riders involved in danger of losing there job? It's all basically gossip with anything of substance already well known. I'm not going either way with the anonymity as it's no big deal with the articles being so light on with anything of substance
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| johnnyjur |
Posted on 30-03-2016 15:13
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Omloop wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
He's been back since Monday 
I wish he'd say who he is. I don't have any reason to believe anything he says because he can't even give us his identity. It bothers me. If at the base he lies by not telling the truth, what else is untrue?
Like him judging Démare at MSR. Don't like it.
Zorro was cool, hiding his identity. But this guy is no zorro.
My guess would be Lars Bak.
Can't be him, he says his first race back after TDU was Omloop. Bak raced Great Ocean and then Paris Nice.
Can't find one single rider who fits those criterias of races the secret pro is listing
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 30-03-2016 15:15
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johnnyjur wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Omloop wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
He's been back since Monday
I wish he'd say who he is. I don't have any reason to believe anything he says because he can't even give us his identity. It bothers me. If at the base he lies by not telling the truth, what else is untrue?
Like him judging Démare at MSR. Don't like it.
Zorro was cool, hiding his identity. But this guy is no zorro.
My guess would be Lars Bak.
Can't be him, he says his first race back after TDU was Omloop. Bak raced Great Ocean and then Paris Nice.
Can't find one single rider who fits those criterias of races the secret pro is listing
He's so secret not even race organisations recognize him 
It's not one guy 
Also the point of inserting misinformation is something that bothers me. I get it, to protect the identity. But again, what are we supposed to believe, if he gives misinformation between the 'truth'. |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 30-03-2016 15:17
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I;m not defending the article as a whole but what about this is rubbish?
"It’s apparent in the peloton Nibali rides around thinking everyone should bow down to him. And his demonstration of cheating at the Vuelta shows us he thinks the rules don’t apply to him. That’s my opinion, and I’m not the only one who sees it this way."
Pretty much spot on
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 30-03-2016 15:21
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Nibali is a true racer. I don't have a bad word to say about him, he was right to call RCS out. I had done the same if my biggest goals, T-A and especially Il Giro, depended on weather and how big pussies the RCS is from a scale of 1-10. Nibali had some leverage and used it, I would be scared to death for stages 19 and 20 if I was him.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 30-03-2016 15:21
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The guy is subjective. Obviously.. It's his perspective. I don't get the point of critiquing his views on things because he doesn't provide any evidence, he is not trying to be judge he is not trying to get facts from both sides of the story. It's his view and his thoughts.
As for much of what he writes, I don't really get the fuss with this column. There's nothing of note he writes 99% of the time, just everyday stuff anyone can find if he reads cyclingnews or cyclingqoutes.
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| matt17br |
Posted on 30-03-2016 15:25
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As for much of what he writes, I don't really get the fuss with this column. There's nothing of note he writes 99% of the time, just everday stuff anyone can find if he reads cyclingnews or cyclingqoutes.
I share your very same opinion but I am pretty sure it's because it's words that come from someone that is as much as an insider as an experienced pro cyclist, that's all.
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 30-03-2016 15:26
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Strydz wrote:
I;m not defending the article as a whole but what about this is rubbish?
"It’s apparent in the peloton Nibali rides around thinking everyone should bow down to him. And his demonstration of cheating at the Vuelta shows us he thinks the rules don’t apply to him. That’s my opinion, and I’m not the only one who sees it this way."
Pretty much spot on
Clicking through the news, you hear the Extreme Weather Protocol is going be implemented at Tirreno. Great. The night before, also. This is put in place not only to keep us, the riders, safe, but to bond us together. It lets the riders, as a group, have a voice and stand together.
And then the former Tour de France champion decides “You know what, I’m better than this Extreme Weather Protocol, and we should be racing. I don’t care what the CPA has decided. Why should these rules apply to me?”
It’s apparent in the peloton Nibali rides around thinking everyone should bow down to him. And his demonstration of cheating at the Vuelta shows us he thinks the rules don’t apply to him. That’s my opinion, and I’m not the only one who sees it this way. This is rubbish generally.There was not even a snow and Nibali was saying it.And Secret Pro is bashing Nibz again. |
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| Christer |
Posted on 30-03-2016 15:30
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Strydz wrote:
Christer wrote:
While it may just be your opinion, Ian, I honestly think it's an opinion you should change. If the author is anonymous, it'd be easier for them to take up controversial topics that could cause them to become shut out from the peloton. With them being anonymous, they can take up these issues with little risk of losing their job.
Are there issues with anonymity? Definitely! That's why we should be thinking critically. Should we dismiss something just because people are anonymous? Hell no. With such attitude, I wonder why you even bother using forums...
But do the articles really say anything that would put the riders involved in danger of losing there job? It's all basically gossip with anything of substance already well known. I'm not going either way with the anonymity as it's no big deal with the articles being so light on with anything of substance
In this particular case, I don't think it'd be much issue. Unless the guy who wrote it is French or Nibali's team mate.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 31-03-2016 15:00
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Dauphine prologue. Pure madness.
Personally looking forward to the last 2 stages. Its not a super good route, but I like those last 2 including the insane prologue, obviously.
Reminded me of that the Suisse is also revealed. And thats pure madness. The last 5 stages are crazy, ups and downs. I desperately hope for Quintana to try to race this race, but I think the more clever thing to do would be RdS or not anything at all. Either way, Im sure he probably knows a bit more than me.
The trend is the very reduced ITT's. I don't really know what to make of it. |
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| lakebeach |
Posted on 31-03-2016 15:20
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That prologue is brutal!
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| Shonak |
Posted on 31-03-2016 15:34
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Holy moly, are they for real.  Pure ramp sprinting up those climbs, love it.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 31-03-2016 15:35
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The most intriguing is the Froome/Contador debate, it will be ferocious and the winner of le Tour will be declared after this stage. Trust me. |
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 31-03-2016 15:46
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Dauphiné route in full:
Not a huge fan of the route, although it does have a proper mountain stage and some well-designed medium-mountain stages - particularly the last one, a good illustration of what I like to call the 'Giro 2015 formula' (and of course that prologue!); it's lacking a time-trial and another mountain stage (only the Méribel stage really justifies that label). Good to see the disappearance of the Tour 'clone' stage that looked to be becoming customary, but it's worth bearing in mind that, as in keeping with recent Dauphine, often ASO likes to introduce some ideas they have for the Tour in the Dauphiné before implementing them in the Tour in the next few years (Finhaut-Emosson and Le Bettex being prime examples from this year's route). My bet is that the Méribel ski-station will be happy enough to cash up for a stage finish in the Tour perhaps next year or the year after, which would be good, but I can't help thinking that, having 'discovered' the climb to Frasses, it would link perfectly with the climb to Courchevel, representing not only an improvement on the classic Madeleine-Courchevel combo, but also a welcome return for a big Alpine climb with some history!
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 31-03-2016 16:41
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Riis123 wrote:
Dauphine prologue. Pure madness.
Personally looking forward to the last 2 stages. Its not a super good route, but I like those last 2 including the insane prologue, obviously.
Reminded me of that the Suisse is also revealed. And thats pure madness. The last 5 stages are crazy, ups and downs. I desperately hope for Quintana to try to race this race, but I think the more clever thing to do would be RdS or not anything at all. Either way, Im sure he probably knows a bit more than me.
The trend is the very reduced ITT's. I don't really know what to make of it.
Awesome, I stayed in Les Gets a few years ago on holiday. That climb is brutal, really is Will be fun to see it again and how they tackle it (I'm guessing... faster ) |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 31-03-2016 18:09
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I don't think you should aim at making races such as Suisse and Criterium Dauphine balanced, but I agree on your thoughts, Stromeon.An ITT wouldn't have bad, especially since Dauphine likes to mirror the stages coming up in the Tour, so a decently hilly ITT woulda been super prep. The stage over Madeline could be brutal, it really could, and we will se lots of action on the last stage.
But generally, for those races, bring on some crazy mountains. The more mountains and fewer flat stages the better IMO. |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 31-03-2016 20:26
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I just checked three Wikipedia Velo d'Or pages to see if the award was already given out by now. Froome has won it and I'm just asking myself what Valverde has to do more to get it one day.
https://fr.wikipe...9lo_d%27or
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 31-03-2016 20:57
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Shonak wrote:
I just checked three Wikipedia Velo d'Or pages to see if the award was already given out by now. Froome has won it and I'm just asking myself what Valverde has to do more to get it one day.
https://fr.wikipe...9lo_d%27or
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On a serious note, not a big fan of Valv.Piti myself but he definitely deserved it last year. Kristoff or Degenstache 2nd. Froome.exe shouldnt be even close to winning it.
Tommeke not winning in 2012 is disgraceful too. |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 31-03-2016 23:08
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Shonak wrote:
I just checked three Wikipedia Velo d'Or pages to see if the award was already given out by now. Froome has won it and I'm just asking myself what Valverde has to do more to get it one day.
https://fr.wikipe...9lo_d%27or
Win Tour
On a serious note, not a big fan of Valv.Piti myself but he definitely deserved it last year. Kristoff or Degenstache 2nd. Froome.exe shouldnt be even close to winning it.
Tommeke not winning in 2012 is disgraceful too.
Froome obviously didn't deserve it, but he would probably have been the 3rd or 4th on my list considering he won Dauphine + 2 stages and TdF + 1 stage against the most fierce competition you will find in the stage races. He also beat Contador in Andalucia in some epic battles, but I bet that really mattered in the end anyways.
Valverde should obviously have won the price, I can't see how anyone in their right mind can disagree with that, but I don't have a big problem with Froome winning it.. the problem become when a rider like Nibali 2014 wins it |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 31-03-2016 23:36
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Ian Butler wrote:
johnnyjur wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Omloop wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
He's been back since Monday
I wish he'd say who he is. I don't have any reason to believe anything he says because he can't even give us his identity. It bothers me. If at the base he lies by not telling the truth, what else is untrue?
Like him judging Démare at MSR. Don't like it.
Zorro was cool, hiding his identity. But this guy is no zorro.
My guess would be Lars Bak.
Can't be him, he says his first race back after TDU was Omloop. Bak raced Great Ocean and then Paris Nice.
Can't find one single rider who fits those criterias of races the secret pro is listing
He's so secret not even race organisations recognize him
It's not one guy
Also the point of inserting misinformation is something that bothers me. I get it, to protect the identity. But again, what are we supposed to believe, if he gives misinformation between the 'truth'.
Obviously it's not one guy, but this one mentions that fact about his race plan within one article.
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