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PCMdaily DB Stat Discussion - PCM15
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| togo95 |
Posted on 19-02-2016 11:46
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Egan Arley Bernal's La Méditerranéenne performance would probably justify an increase in both his stats and potential. He seems to be adjusting to the pro peloton very quickly. |
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| Naxela |
Posted on 19-02-2016 14:36
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andyzz wrote:
Eddy the Boss is back!
Some suggestions regarding his stats?
Definitely small upgrades regarding his sprint, maybe 1+ up for now, since he has a kind of slow acceleration. He improved allot since coming into Quebeka with his sprint. As well maybe his endurance. His TT could be improved but i would give him a few more stages to prove that. Can't remember exactly how his climbing and Hil stats is like in the db but something like 73MO-75HIL? should be alright imo, his goals this year is to improve for the Olympics in RIO so he has done allot of training to get better in hills this year, so wouldn't be surprised he will be 76 in not long.
EDIT: Remember that his current stats were way too high for his performance the last two years, he finally seem to deserve them now.
Edited by Naxela on 19-02-2016 14:42
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| clamel |
Posted on 19-02-2016 23:47
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Time for a little notice on some that might fly under the radar.
Bert Van Lerberghe Topsport Vla.
In last DB you got him dead last of all in the team in sprints AND acc.
If you check out his results he on some occasions was the man for the team and got some nice results (top 10s). Even the start of this year. Not great, but he should be closer to Capiot and Salomein, since he often was with these guys in the business end of races.
You're the judge, and of course check how those races panned out, climbs, flats or what-nots.
Just giving you a hint. A rider the team use in the sprint-train at the finish should not be dead last in his team in those values IMHO.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 21-02-2016 02:39
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In answer to a few names mentioned here.
Thomas: One of the problerm riders in testing due to his all round high stats, we have reduced his ACC a bit and that seems to have made him a bit less dominant and hopefully he´ll ride less like Eddy Merckx now. His mtn stat of 79 is kind of perfect, so lowering that at the moment was not an option.
Bernal: Has had some all round upgrades of which the biggest has been in his hill stat.
EBH: Always promises a lot and his 77FL with 77SP and 76AC look good for now, his high TT and hill 75/76 make him a strong rider for week long tours. His mtn will either be 71/72 after Oman as he climbed well on Green Mountain. The big test though for EBH will be how he does in the spring classics and if he does well there then an upgrade in his STA will be a possibility as well in the future. EBH is a difficult rider to do stats for as he has no big weaknesses, but just tends to underperform a lot of the time in the bigger races.
Van Lerberghe; Well aware of how well he and some of the Topsport riders have done so far this season and there have been quite a few upgrades for that team. BVL in sprint and ACC has been upgraded to 73.
Edited by Tafiolmo on 21-02-2016 02:47
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| PeterRyder |
Posted on 21-02-2016 15:08
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I think Thomas with 79MO is an abuse...
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| Selwink |
Posted on 21-02-2016 15:49
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And why is that exactly? It would (general statement) be helpful if these ideas about stat changes could be backed up with reasoning.
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| miguejack |
Posted on 21-02-2016 16:21
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Man but you have to admit that Thomas is an absolute sir in the mountains but on the other hand I understand you. I think Thomas is one of the most hard riders to judge and decide his stats
Costa ~ Machado ~ Quintana ~ Gallopin
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 21-02-2016 19:53
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Thomas with a high mtn stat and low rec is the perfect combination for him at the moment. He can ride like a beast for week long tours, but has a severe achilles hill in a three week GT.
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 21-02-2016 19:58
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Dani Navarro 76 in Mountain, if he is ok (healthy), he will be near the best. He is not rider for 77/78, but I think he doesn't deserve 74/75.
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| miguejack |
Posted on 21-02-2016 20:03
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76 fits him in my opinion
Costa ~ Machado ~ Quintana ~ Gallopin
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 21-02-2016 20:21
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Dani Navarro´s on 75 but could go to 76 as he´s started the year well.
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| PeterRyder |
Posted on 21-02-2016 20:24
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I think Thomas at 79MO is too high because, at least imo, when we get to 79, we enter the GT winner contender spot, and I don't think Thomas is in that level. Also 79 will make him super OP i think, I would say 77/78 would be more fair.
Btw, what's Roglic and Amaro Antunes MO/HIL stats?
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| matt17br |
Posted on 21-02-2016 20:38
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PeterRyder wrote:
I think Thomas at 79MO is too high because, at least imo, when we get to 79, we enter the GT winner contender spot, and I don't think Thomas is in that level. Also 79 will make him super OP i think, I would say 77/78 would be more fair.
Btw, what's Roglic and Amaro Antunes MO/HIL stats?
I just can't emphasize enough how much we're testing stats in GTs, careers and such. Thomas is racing much like he does in real life and I can totally assure you 79 doesn't make him too OP. You have to take into account that PCM has got 13 different stats one has to look at, 9 of them affect in a way or another mountain stages. Thomas' REC for example will make sure he'll always have a bad day as Tafiolmo explained, and the 4 points difference compared to Froome/Quintana makes him not good enough to contend a GT anyway, let's be honest... Not to talk about his ACC, which has an incredibly huge effect in mountains and hills, and is far lower than the ones mentioned above.
So do you still think he's too OP?
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 21-02-2016 20:40
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I think 79 is fine to be honest.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 21-02-2016 21:13
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PeterRyder wrote:
I think Thomas at 79MO is too high because, at least imo, when we get to 79, we enter the GT winner contender spot, and I don't think Thomas is in that level. Also 79 will make him super OP i think, I would say 77/78 would be more fair.
Btw, what's Roglic and Amaro Antunes MO/HIL stats?
Amaro like Diaz for exmple is tricky to do. He rode very well at Algarve and that will be the highlight of his season. He´s rated 71 mtn and 69 hills, I looked at his previous results at CT level and they were nothing special.
Roglic at 73 mtn and 72 Hills rides at a higher level, so there will be room to improve him, which I probably will after his performance at Algarve.
Edited by Tafiolmo on 21-02-2016 22:03
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 21-02-2016 22:27
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I told some days ago, Geraint Thomas is fine with his secundary stats I only would give 1 less in mountain (78) |
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 22-02-2016 02:10
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AiZaK wrote:
I told some days ago, Geraint Thomas is fine with his secundary stats I only would give 1 less in mountain (78)
I´ve no idea why Thomas is being mentioned so often at the moment. he´s been on 79 mtn since the last Tour de France and nobody has stated that it´s been a problem. In fact he´s just won Algarve ahead of higher mtn stat riders like Contador, Pinot and Aru. If he was beating these riders in a GT then there would be an issue but certainly not in a week long tour.
Edited by Tafiolmo on 22-02-2016 02:17
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| irdalopez |
Posted on 22-02-2016 12:40
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Hi!!!! newe Stats:
Roglic?
Luisle Sánchez?
Roy Jans???
Campenaerts?
Hollenstein?
De Tier?
Søren Kragh Andersen?
Jesús Herrada sp acc???? |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 22-02-2016 12:47
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irdalopez wrote:
Hi!!!! newe Stats:
Roglic?
Luisle Sánchez?
Roy Jans???
Campenaerts?
Hollenstein?
De Tier?
Søren Kragh Andersen?
Jesús Herrada sp acc????
Sorry, but I think the DB guys have better things to do then to list the stats of a random bunch of riders.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 23-02-2016 17:21
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As said by Ollfardh, everybody working on the DB is working to the meximum.
@Irdalopez
Every single one of the riders on your list has had stat upgrades.
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