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Imladrik
What you all think of yesterday?

Kind of a PCM result, with favorites losing much time on the flat, and Turgis 4th in a sprint.


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Nemolito
Sadly haven't been able to watch and neither will I today, so looking forward to see some stuff during the week. Seemed like it was a rather easy sprint win for Philipsen, also thanks to a great lead-out with those two names ahead of him. Definitely hope Merlier can also do something later. At least favourite-wise the logic at the end of the tour already seems to be respected, with Vingegaard and Pogi well ahead of the others already Pfft
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Tamijo
Good stages so far, but sadly way to many crashes.
 
Ulrich Ulriksen
Seemed like a lot of pushing both at the sprint point and in the finale, the crashes seemed inevitable.

Merlier a deserving winner, really smart sprint.
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AbhishekLFC
Even before this stage ends, always felt like they shouldn't have such a long TT in the opening stages of a Grand Tour as it reduces the competitiveness of the climbs. Just 2-3 riders really remain in contention by the end of the first week itself.
 
Ollfardh
Well yeah, but unless you make it 7 flat stages, Pogacar will always gain time in the first week.

Add cobbles? Pogacar will take minutes on the competition.
Add more hills? Pogacar will take more boni seconds and more people will lose time
Start with a proper mountain? Pogacar in yellow and probably only Vingegaard is within a minute.
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Tamijo
In theory it is still quite open after 11 stages, between the top 9. But I agree that with the situation we got these days, it is most likely going to be two-sided after today.
I believe the route have been a success, with few completely sleepy moments, hats off to modern cycling, the riders really do all they can to make it interesting. Poga have raced a little more defensive than we are used to see, but it is not up to him to attack in this situation, so that is understandable. Visma, as I see it, have done what they can, on those relative short uphill stretches. Remains to be seen if it had any effect.
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baseballlover312
Never know what could happen with crashes or a random bonk though. Still a lot to play for.
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Tamijo
Ya that is always a risk.
Anyway I guess we can conclude after today, that Pogi is buy far better than anyone, I this TDF.
 
baseballlover312
Yeah, definitely not a question in terms of ability.
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baseballlover312
Is Remco sick or is he just abandoning the race cause his GC is gone?
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Tamijo
He abandoned because he was “empty”, actually quite refreshing to see that even a top riders is a human being and sometimes haven’t got it.
 
baseballlover312
Tamijo wrote:

He abandoned because he was “empty”, actually quite refreshing to see that even a top riders is a human being and sometimes haven’t got it.


Call me old fashioned but I don't think I agree with that. It's fine if he doesn't have it, but I have a hard time believing Remco Evenepoel could not manage to sit in the grupetto for a few days if he's not injured or ill. Then he could still be around to go for a stage later in the race if he recovers, and bring something to his team in the biggest race of the year.

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Team management's quotes here are kind of telling. On one hand, they say it might save energy for future goals, but on the other hand, he has no eyes on the Vuelta and his only remaining major goal is the WC, several months away. That argument feels like cope/PR spin. Ilan Van Wilder said it best, "It's not nice for him, but it's also not nice for the team and his teammates," Van Wilder said. "So of course we are sad, because we worked really hard to be here to support him."

Feels like, given his race program for the second half of the year, he didn't need to climb off that quickly and let down his team absent a a physical ailment. He's a team leader, several other riders have dedicated their seasons to him, and he is supposed to lead by example.
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Ulrich Ulriksen
Just not sure Remco has what it takes to be a GT rider, feels like he ought to refocus on being a great one-day and one week racer. But I guess that isn't where the money is

Anyone but me irritated by a breakaway ending in a 1-2 for the two dominant GC teams in the race?
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baseballlover312
Ulrich Ulriksen wrote:

Just not sure Remco has what it takes to be a GT rider, feels like he ought to refocus on being a great one-day and one week racer. But I guess that isn't where the money is

Anyone but me irritated by a breakaway ending in a 1-2 for the two dominant GC teams in the race?


Unfortunate reality is there are just a few teams head and shoulders above the rest right now, and the way Pog especially is riding, breakaways will only be let go if UAE/Jumbo think they can win from it. Unfortunate as a spectator, but not sure we can expect much better.
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Tamijo
I agree Ulrich, it is fine that they set riders ahead on the tough mountain stages and it sometimes end in a win. but taking away the opportunity for others on those “simpler” stages is kinda shitty. This kind of thinking will further expand the gap between the two top teams and the rest of the world tour, making the entire season even more predictable than it already is.

Regarding Evenepool I can see your point baseballover, he is well paid, and many depends on him, just not sure he could bring anything if he stayed in the tour, maybe it’s is just time both the rider the team and the press, take of some pressure. Clearly he is not “the third” at least has not been in 2025.
Anyway I find it a little harsh expecting him to finish the last week in the grupetto. He is a young riders still and he clearly need someone to work with the mental side of cycling. Personally I never really liked him a lot, but I still hope he will transfer to another team, getting a fresh start. I hope Ineos will take him, not sure Bora is a great idea.
 
Ulrich Ulriksen
Tamijo wrote:

I agree Ulrich, it is fine that they set riders ahead on the tough mountain stages and it sometimes end in a win. but taking away the opportunity for others on those “simpler” stages is kinda shitty. This kind of thinking will further expand the gap between the two top teams and the rest of the world tour, making the entire season even more predictable than it already is.


Yeah, it feels like they didn't need to be in this break, they could all of taken a day off and sat in the peloton and let others have the spotlight. Still I guess hard to tell Tim Wellens he should miss out on a TDF stage win to let others have chance.
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Tamijo
Talking about INEOS, very interesting transfer this year. Out of 28 riders starting 2025, so far only 19 is on contract in 2026, including already a few new youngsters. With some rather famous names retiring, probably quite expensive contracts ending making room for new riders. Would be nice to see the team revitalized over en coming seasons.
 
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