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Giro del Trentino Discussion
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| redordead |
Posted on 09-04-2023 05:54
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Welcome to the 11th edition of the Giro del Trentino. It's only a three day event, but all three days are difficult and important for the final outcome:
a middle length TTT to start things off, a behemoth queen stage and a final mountainous day for the riders to wave goodbye to their beloved legs.
While the last day often goes to the breakaway and the team time-trial might only decide minor places, any one bad day can be crucial.
With that said let's look at some of the favourites:
| MO | HI | ST | RS | RC | AC | TTT |  Stüssi | 79 | 73 | 77 | 73 | 78 | 66 | ***** |  Schlegel | 78 | 77 | 71 | 74 | 76 | 75 | **** | | Masnada | 77 | 76 | 76 | 75 | 73 | 73 | ***** |  Alarcon | 81 | 70 | 66 | 69 | 68 | 73 | *** |  Kuss | 78 | 71 | 74 | 76 | 71 | 69 | **** |  Kozhatayev | 77 | 74 | 71 | 75 | 71 | 69 | ***** | | Warbasse | 78 | 75 | 75 | 73 | 72 | 65 | **** |  Talansky | 77 | 75 | 72 | 73 | 74 | 66 | ***** | | Mäder | 77 | 71 | 73 | 75 | 77 | 64 | ***** |  Aru | 78 | 74 | 74 | 75 | 76 | 70 | ** | | Ablenado | 78 | 67 | 73 | 77 | 77 | 65 | *** |  Schleck | 77 | 73 | 71 | 71 | 78 | 73 | * | | Vasyliv | 77 | 74 | 78 | 72 | 75 | 67 | * |  Iturria | 77 | 73 | 77 | 74 | 76 | 61 | * |  Barta | 76 | 72 | 71 | 74 | 70 | 67 | *** |  Antunes | 76 | 72 | 71 | 69 | 70 | 67 | *** |  Pedrero | 76 | 73 | 73 | 68 | 71 | 71 | ** |  Hoem | 77 | 72 | 74 | 69 | 74 | 62 | * | | Bonnin | 76 | 71 | 69 | 66 | 67 | 71 | ** |
Stüssi comes here as the best allround climber with a top notch TTT unit. He also has capable lieutenants like Masnada and Mäder who could both win the race on a good day. Schlegel will be counting on his great punch to gain time on others, especially on stage 2. Alarcon will need to do the same, but to an even greater effect.
Kuss and Warbasse should form a strong duo for McCormick. Kozhatayev and Talansky should be both solitary leaders of their teams and will be counting on their expert team time-trial setups to put them in a good position early on.
Some of the other climbers on the list are a notch below and also should be behind after stage 1. Don't be surprised to see some of these names hunting a stage victory on the final day.
Full startlist:
Spoiler | Svab | Jernej | Bianchi - Panerai | | Zordan | Andrea | Bianchi - Panerai | | Rota | Lorenzo | Bianchi - Panerai | | Fortunato | Lorenzo | Bianchi - Panerai | | Petilli | Simone | Bianchi - Panerai | | Larsen | Trond | Bianchi - Panerai | | Navardauskas | Ramunas | Bianchi - Panerai | | Colleoni | Kevin | Bianchi - Panerai | | Goncalves | Gaspar | Binance | | Kaczmarek | Jakub | Binance | | Antunes | Amaro | Binance | | Palyi | Csaba | Binance | | Benito | Miguel Angel | Binance | | Ikibe | Sota | Binance | | Wirtgen | Luc | Binance | | Thill | Tom | Binance | | Vasyliv | Yuriy | BNZ-Superhero Racing | | Schleck | Jordan | BNZ-Superhero Racing | | Orue | German Anibal | BNZ-Superhero Racing | | Miller | Nick | BNZ-Superhero Racing | | Erdenesuren | Munkhtulga | BNZ-Superhero Racing | | Batmunkh | Maral-Erdene | BNZ-Superhero Racing | | Kopfauf | Markus | BNZ-Superhero Racing | | Ramirez | Jhon Stiven | BNZ-Superhero Racing | | Laas | Martin | Bonduelle - Eesti Energia | | Pedrero | Antonio | Bonduelle - Eesti Energia | | Molard | Rudy | Bonduelle - Eesti Energia | | La Lavandier | Mathieu | Bonduelle - Eesti Energia | | Perez | Anthony | Bonduelle - Eesti Energia | | Bonnin | Thomas | Bonduelle - Eesti Energia | | Kangert | Tanel | Bonduelle - Eesti Energia | | Pajur | Markus | Bonduelle - Eesti Energia | | Iturria | Mikel | Bordeaux Métropole - Euskotren | | Doubey | Fabien | Bordeaux Métropole - Euskotren | | Bizkarra | Mikel | Bordeaux Métropole - Euskotren | | Simon | Jordi | Bordeaux Métropole - Euskotren | | Mottin | Hugues | Bordeaux Métropole - Euskotren | | Berthet | Clement | Bordeaux Métropole - Euskotren | | Renard | Alexis | Bordeaux Métropole - Euskotren | | Martin | David | Bordeaux Métropole - Euskotren | | Brändle | Matthias | BWT Hyundai N Cycling | | Kozhatayev | Bakhtiyar | BWT Hyundai N Cycling | | Ahmad Zamri | Muhamma Afif | BWT Hyundai N Cycling | | Stoenchev | Valentin | BWT Hyundai N Cycling | | De Luna | Flavio | BWT Hyundai N Cycling | | Jacobsen | Tormod | BWT Hyundai N Cycling | | Tusveld | Martijn | BWT Hyundai N Cycling | | Tzortzakis | Polychronis | BWT Hyundai N Cycling | | Alarcon | Jose | Caja Rural Cycling Team | | Quevedo | Xavier | Caja Rural Cycling Team | | Ablenado | Aberlardo | Caja Rural Cycling Team | | Konwa | Marek | Caja Rural Cycling Team | | Intxausti | Benat | Caja Rural Cycling Team | | Adriamihajanarivo | Herizo | Caja Rural Cycling Team | | Garcia | Jhojan | Caja Rural Cycling Team | | Olesen | Patrick | Carlsberg - Danske Bank | | Mestric | Matija | Carlsberg - Danske Bank | | Girmay | Biniam | Carlsberg - Danske Bank | | Forssell | Hugo | Carlsberg - Danske Bank | | Cannister | Goldwijnn | Carlsberg - Danske Bank | | Skjelmose Jensen | Mattias | Carlsberg - Danske Bank | | Lord | Samuel | Carlsberg - Danske Bank | | Eriksson | Jacob | Carlsberg - Danske Bank | | Bogdanovics | Maris | Eddie Stobart | | Moreno Hernandez | Salvador | Eddie Stobart | | Cimolai | Davide | Eddie Stobart | | Lovik | Asmund Romstad | Eddie Stobart | | Taillefour | Fabien | Eddie Stobart | | Savini | Daniel | Eddie Stobart | | Medvedev | Dmitri | Eddie Stobart | | Malacarne | Davide | Eddie Stobart | | Talansky | Andrew | Glanbia | | Craddock | Lawson | Glanbia | | Downey | Sean | Glanbia | | Brandt | Tyler | Glanbia | | Oram | James | Glanbia | | Cheyne | Jordan | Glanbia | | Cruz | Freddy | Glanbia | | Scotson | Miles | Glanbia | | Stüssi | Colin | Jura GIANTS | | Masnada | Fausto | Jura GIANTS | | Mäder | Gino | Jura GIANTS | | Rekita | Szymon | Jura GIANTS | | Basso | Leonardo | Jura GIANTS | | Marchewka | Krzysztof | Jura GIANTS | | Rowsell | Erick | Jura GIANTS | | Karatsivis | Panagiotis | Jura GIANTS | | Teuns | Dylan | Le Creuset | | Chevrier | Clement | Le Creuset | | La Lavandier | Maxime | Le Creuset | | Bidard | Francois | Le Creuset | | Balmer | Alexandre | Le Creuset | | Kmieliauskas | Rokas | Le Creuset | | Delbove | Joris | Le Creuset | | Garibian | Arman | Le Creuset | | Warbasse | Lawrence | McCormick Pro Cycling | | Kuss | Sepp | McCormick Pro Cycling | | Revard | Thomas | McCormick Pro Cycling | | Hoehn | Alex | McCormick Pro Cycling | | Mohammad | Fikri Azka | McCormick Pro Cycling | | Matte | Charles | McCormick Pro Cycling | | Mostov | Zeke | McCormick Pro Cycling | | Jallays | Welle | McCormick Pro Cycling | | Aru | Fabio | Pas Normal Studios - Mikkeller | | Prasad | Darshana | Pas Normal Studios - Mikkeller | | Juul-Jensen | Christopher | Pas Normal Studios - Mikkeller | | Taubel | Christoph | Pas Normal Studios - Mikkeller | | Vogt | Mario | Pas Normal Studios - Mikkeller | | Besada | Felix Emilio | Pas Normal Studios - Mikkeller | | Johansen | Julius | Pas Normal Studios - Mikkeller | | Price-Pejtersen | Johan | Pas Normal Studios - Mikkeller | | Barta | William | Philips - Force India | | Henttala | Joonas | Philips - Force India | | Leemreize | Gijs | Philips - Force India | | Stoltz | Yannick | Philips - Force India | | Van Dijke | Mick | Philips - Force India | | Galvan Ramirez | Oscar Samuel | Philips - Force India | | Croes | Jonathan | Podium Ambition | | Kelly | Jacob | Podium Ambition | | Morales Ortega | Jacob | Podium Ambition | | White | Connor | Podium Ambition | | Richardson | Zambezi | Podium Ambition | | Orosco | Kemp | Podium Ambition | | Molina Pagan | Luis | Podium Ambition | | Gonzalez | Abner | Podium Ambition | | Main | Kent | Project: Africa | | Kireva | Albert | Project: Africa | | Visser | Louis | Project: Africa | | Awuku | Frank | Project: Africa | | Kusi | Clement | Project: Africa | | Munyaneza | Didier | Project: Africa | | Broxham | Ricardo | Project: Africa | | Nzafashwanayo | Jean Claude | Project: Africa | | Schachmann | Maximillian | Staffbase - BHP | | Lietaer | Eliot | Staffbase - BHP | | Koch | Jonas | Staffbase - BHP | | Predatsch | Kevin | Staffbase - BHP | | Plapp | Luke | Staffbase - BHP | | Sunderland | Dylan | Staffbase - BHP | | Lipowitz | Florian | Staffbase - BHP | | Engelhardt | Felix | Staffbase - BHP | | Weiss | Martin | Tafjord Kraft | | Hoem | Bjorn Tore | Tafjord Kraft | | Blikra | Havard | Tafjord Kraft | | Haavardsholm | Ole | Tafjord Kraft | | Bugge | Vegard Robinson | Tafjord Kraft | | Lindau | Philip | Tafjord Kraft | | Schlegel | Michal | Tryg - Gobik | | Johannessen | Tobias Halland | Tryg - Gobik | | Frison | Frederik | Tryg - Gobik | | Omarsson | Ingvar | Tryg - Gobik | | Sleen | Torjus | Tryg - Gobik | | Iversen | Rasmus | Tryg - Gobik | | Nyoni | Similo | Tryg - Gobik | | Abolaji | Fatiu | Tryg - Gobik | | Lyu | Xianjing | Voyagin - Bird | | Shirota | Yamato | Voyagin - Bird | | Zardini | Edoardo | Voyagin - Bird | | Polnicky | Jiri | Voyagin - Bird | | Oka | Atsushi | Voyagin - Bird | | Kawasaki | Miori | Voyagin - 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| MacC |
Posted on 09-04-2023 10:59
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Thanks Red. Top 5 goal here for Glanbia.
I've gone all in for the TTT which might leave Talansky vulnerable for the Mountains
Good luck all
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 09-04-2023 13:42
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Last C2 outing of the year for us. Pure XP race. Skjelmose in a breakaway would be awesome.
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy |
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| Ulrich Ulriksen |
Posted on 09-04-2023 16:26
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Got the top TTT team (except for Kuss) here for round 5(?) round in the CT Stage race slugfest.
Jura has to be favorites but hope Warbasse or Kuss can get a top GC position and we can put in strong depth scoring.
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| Imladrik |
Posted on 09-04-2023 18:39
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I hope for the Vancouver repeat, but that might be hard. Hope on a good form by Itturia nonetheless.
Thanks for the preview and for the comung reports!
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| kandesbunzler26 |
Posted on 09-04-2023 21:18
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Our first race in ages and not much to hope for except some action from Teuns in a break.
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| Fabianski |
Posted on 09-04-2023 21:30
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We haven't achieved any goals this year, so the Top 5 goal here is a must. And we definitely should do it, having one of the best TTT units plus three of the strongest climbers. We'd obviously want to win the race, but unfortunately Stüssi has often struggled against some supposedly weaker climbers. Let's hope we don't phone it in here!
Thanks for the preview, red.
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 10-04-2023 06:42
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Barta is back to lead us in C2 once again. This race suits us less than the last one, so we're probably looking at a Top 15 as a realistic target.
Thanks for the preview red 
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| Imladrik |
Posted on 10-04-2023 10:35
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Welp, seems like we nearly dropped our GC leader...
Let's hope for better legs tomorrow, as 2 minutes is not that bad.
Thanks for the report red.
“...the secret of the Great Stories is that they have no secrets. The Great Stories are the ones you have heard and want to hear again. The ones you can enter anywhere and inhabit comfortably."
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| Fabianski |
Posted on 10-04-2023 15:22
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Not optimal to miss out on the win in our most important TTT of the year (given that it was the first stage), but I guess losing out to BWT's dream-team isn't something to be ashamed of. Congrats!
Hoping now for two good stages by Stüssi now, who *should* have the upper hand here (like he should have in Catalunya and Vancouver, both of which he didn't win). But with 7 teams finishing within a minute from the winner, the race is unfortunately way more open than I was hoping for it to be after the TTT...
Thanks for the report.
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| Ulrich Ulriksen |
Posted on 11-04-2023 01:50
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19 seconds is very manageable. Kuss dropped a few seconds but Warbasse stayed at the front. Big day tomorrow.
Thanks for the report, another great performance by BWT.
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| MacC |
Posted on 11-04-2023 08:27
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Exactly the result to be expected but it leaves me thinking getting a top 5 will be a tough ask of Talansky
BWT and Jura shaming Glanbia in yet another TTT
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| Imladrik |
Posted on 11-04-2023 19:39
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Thanks for the report, quite thrilling!
I wondered why it was Berthet we sent in the break, but he fought valiantly. I hope he can fight more tomorrow to at least contest this KoM jersey.
All in all, quite a good stage by the team, Itturia followed how he could, and Doubey also is in the points. Hopefully we can improve that tomorrow, maybe a top 10 still is possible, but the missed TTT surely hit us hard.
“...the secret of the Great Stories is that they have no secrets. The Great Stories are the ones you have heard and want to hear again. The ones you can enter anywhere and inhabit comfortably."
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| Fabianski |
Posted on 11-04-2023 20:02
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Yes, perfectly executed game plan by Stüssi! Winning this stage was crucial, as nobody could now overtake him just with finish line bonus seconds. However, tomorrow will be another really hard stage, and now I doubt we'll get much help from other teams. Keeping things together won't be easy, but we'll have to.
I clearly will never get how PCM decides which teams get great depth results, though, as especially Masnada's RDs are just wasted here, but I still prefer it this way. I guess McCormick must have similar feelings 
Thanks for the report, red, feels great to see that Stüssi finally got some love from your PCM  (hoping I haven't just jinxed it now ^^)
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| MacC |
Posted on 11-04-2023 20:21
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Congrats Fab, that was a real climbers' day
Not a great day for Glanbia but if we finished 8th and 9th overall I'd feel satisfied all the same
Thanks for he report, great quality as always
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 12-04-2023 00:34
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We got the Skjelmose breakaway we asked for, so I'm chalking that up as a win.
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| Ulrich Ulriksen |
Posted on 12-04-2023 01:50
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Nice ride by Warbasse and 2nd on the GC will be a good result if he can hold it but as Fab said, disappointed by the depth. No excuse for Kuss to lose almost 4 minutes in that field and the other guys weren't great either.
Hopefully we won't work too much tomorrow and let Jura kill themselves (sorry Fab). I do think that is one factor in who gets depth.
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| Jakstar22 |
Posted on 12-04-2023 03:42
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Not bad for Vasyliv. Hopefully he can get himself into the top 10 in GC
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| AbhishekLFC |
Posted on 12-04-2023 05:51
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Barta in 58th?? PCM really screwing with our leaders recently!
Congrats to Fabianski and thanks for the report
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| Nemolito |
Posted on 12-04-2023 07:46
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Big win for Stüssi. Interesting GC after two stages, and I assume it will not change too much anymore. I can see the breakaway taking the stage tomorrow, just like the legendary Seboka did in 2020.
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