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Always a race that throws up a surprise or two, the KBC De Panne continues on the MG calendar for the ninth consecutive season. Pieter Vanspeybrouck brushed off an otherwise under-par season to win this race last year, despite not winning any stage. The three editions before that has been won by the rider (Lebris, Baugnies, Summerhill, in reverse order) who won the difficult first stage, which is also true for the 2012 edition won by Niels Albert. The 2013 edition was won in the TT by Ian Bibby. This just goes to show the variety that this race throws up.

pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/and.png Summerhill787359767269837073
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/cdb.png Vanspeybrouck767162787172826769
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/vlv.png Stallaert776758766880817976
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/min.png Zepuntke726965797264817265
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/kul.png Baugnies787262807373806573
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/ubs.png Spengler746462727376826170
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/cfe.png Nolf746664777269806371
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/cad.png Ferreira736863747069797169
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/del.png Breen777068727271787372
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/xr0.png Debesay757472757970776978
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/nrh.png Van Keirsbulck727151757363787068
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/cdb.png Sinkeldam747564747068776868
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/ubs.png Bohli746870797565777468

2015 champion, pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/and.png Danny Summerhill, starts as the top favourite for this race. He is the premier Northern Classics rider in the PCT division, after making the drop this transfer season. He is also the best over the hills among 80+ cobbles riders!

Last year's winner pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/cdb.png Vanspeybrouck looks to be the nearest challenger to pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/and.png Summerhill. He will be hoping to not lose any ground to his rival on the cobbles or in fact, the hills on Stage 1, and look to use his slightly better TT skills on the final stage to gain an advantage.

The rider hoping that the stages turn out to be a reduced bunch sprint among the favourites, has to be pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/vlv.png Stallaert with his sprint skills. He is weak, however, against the clock and will need to have a decent lead before the final stage to not lose too many positions there.

pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/min.png Zepuntke and pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/kul.png Baugnies are similar in overall ability but seem to inverse of each in terms of non-cobbles skills. While pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/kul.png Baugnies is better in the hills and in acceleration, pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/min.png Zepuntke holds the edge in the sprints and in the time trial.

pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/ubs.png Spengler would be a strong podium contender if not for his weaker set of skills elsewhere. pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/cfe.png Nolf, too, is similar.

Among the others, pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/xr0.png Debesay and pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/cdb.png Sinkeldam are the strongest on the hills among the favourites while pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/ubs.png Bohli is the fastest barring Stallaert. pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/nrh.png Van Keirsbulck is a strong overall rider but his TT skills leave a lot to be desired. pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/del.png Breen and pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/cad.png Ferreira, on the hand, could be a surprise factor, if they are taken lightly by their rivals.

pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/vvg.png Chatarunga726767797268777068
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/and.png Bakari595554595659826160
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/min.png Albert746856747270776266
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/vvg.png Kulppi736761736969776570
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/cfe.png Laporte737362727474757273
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/ubs.png Grand726563747068776565
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/del.png Van der Haar777266707269757270
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/xr0.png Rowe786665767079757980
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/vlv.png Sweeck736868717262767071
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/itd.png Kosic726661747067775964
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/azt.png Orue696464777056785358
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/kul.png Drucker736467736970767373
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/min.png Lindeman736460726966767476
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/cfe.png Gaudin736766756769765669
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/nrh.png Kumara746754747065757167
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/ubs.png Fouquet746765747168756864
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/min.png Flaksis706556757066766162
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/and.png Eeckhout726154717161776457

A big list of outsiders because of the varied nature of this race. Former winner pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/min.png Albert is among these along with the mercurial pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/and.png Bakari. A lot of all-rounders among the names on this list with pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/cfe.png Laporte and pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/del.png Van der Haar standing out for their puncher capabilities.

Top Sprinters
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/min.png Drapac718079
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/lpu.png Van Asbroeck758078
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/ubs.png Reinhardt717984
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/xr0.png Rowe787980
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/nrh.png Perera717980
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/azt.png Keough737979
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/lpu.png Peeters727977
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/lpu.png Pelucchi747977
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/vlv.png Stallaert777976
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/vvg.png Vanderaerden727975
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/del.png Kreder737880
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/kul.png Tewelde747877

A weak sprinter field have traveled for this race for the one flat stage on offer. pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/min.png Drapac and pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/lpu.png Van Asbroeck start as favourites for the win on stage 3. It is doubtful that either will be in contention for the GC at that time, unless we have an uncharacteristically mild first couple of stages.

pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/vlv.png Stallaert is the only sprinter who is also among the favourites.

Time Trial Specialists
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/vvg.png Kittel8181
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/ubs.png Dillier8079
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/vlv.png Haugard7979
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/and.png Mottin7979
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/min.png Janse van Rensburg7878
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/kul.png Mullen7878
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/del.png Ignatiev7878
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/cfe.png Li7878
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/kul.png Gretsch7779
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/cdb.png Steensen7777
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/vvg.png Pokälä7776
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/kul.png Martin7776
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/cad.png Christian7775
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/min.png Kiflay7677
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/vlv.png Ludvigsson7675
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/ubs.png Schär7575
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/del.png Gallopin7574
pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/azt.png Ortega7573

pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/vvg.png Kittel is the top favourite for the TT on the final stage. pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/ubs.png Dilier is expected to be his nearest rival. pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/vlv.png Haugard and pcmdaily.com/images/mg/2019/Micros/and.png Mottin are the others who look the most likely to challenge for the win on the final stage.


Last NameFirst NameTeam
SummerhillDannyAndorra Cycling Project
MottinHuguesAndorra Cycling Project
BakariAmadouAndorra Cycling Project
Dahl-OlsenGunnarAndorra Cycling Project
SakalaYanjananiAndorra Cycling Project
EeckhoutKevinAndorra Cycling Project
GalievUlugbekAndorra Cycling Project
KeoughLukeAzteca - NBCSN
MannionGavinAzteca - NBCSN
OrueGerman AnibalAzteca - NBCSN
StetinaPeterAzteca - NBCSN
OrtegaSergioAzteca - NBCSN
EgidioChristianAzteca - NBCSN
CorwinDadleyAzteca - NBCSN
FerreiraRicardoCampari/Asahi development
KunshinAleksejCampari/Asahi development
ChristianMarkCampari/Asahi development
YamamotoMasakiCampari/Asahi development
MoschettiMatteoCampari/Asahi development
RocchettiFilippoCampari/Asahi development
VanspeybrouckPieterCarlsberg - Danske Bank
SinkeldamRamonCarlsberg - Danske Bank
KvistThomas VedelCarlsberg - Danske Bank
SteensenAndreCarlsberg - Danske bank
HaasNathanCarlsberg - Danske Bank
HansenJesperCarlsberg - Danske Bank
OstergaardNikiCarlsberg - Danske bank
BjelkmarkJonasCarlsberg - Danske Bank
NolfFrederikCarrefour - ESPN
LaporteChristopheCarrefour - ESPN
LiWen HaoCarrefour - ESPN
BerczPatrickCarrefour - ESPN
GaudinDamienCarrefour - ESPN
BanaszekAlanCarrefour - ESPN
GaldouneAmineCarrefour - ESPN
Van der HaarLarsDelvaux
ZariffNur AimanDelvaux
DomeneRamonIberia - Team Degenkolb
KosicNejcIberia - Team Degenkolb
GougeardAlexisIberia - Team Degenkolb
SolerMarcIberia - Team Degenkolb
CosnefroyBenoitIberia - Team Degenkolb
Garcia CortinaIvanIberia - Team Degenkolb
BernalEganIberia - Team Degenkolb
PhilipsenJasperIberia - Team Degenkolb
BaugniesJeromeKulczyk - Alitalia
MullenRyanKulczyk - Alitalia
DruckerJempyKulczyk - Alitalia
TeweldeJaniKulczyk - Alitalia
MartinTonyKulczyk - Alitalia
GretschPatrickKulczyk - Alitalia
GradekKamilKulczyk - Alitalia
CominelliCristianKulczyk - Alitalia
Van AsbroeckTomLierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam
SenniManuelLierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam
PelucchiMatteoLierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam
MosconGianniLierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam
PeetersKevinLierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam
SajnokSzymonLierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam
DewulfStanLierse SK - Pizza Ullo PCTeam
Janse van RensburgReinhardtMinions
Van KeirsbulckGuillaumeNENT Racing p/b Hootsuite
PereraMadushankaNENT Racing p/b Hootsuite
Van PoppelBoyNENT Racing p/b Hootsuite
KumaraAmith UdayaNENT Racing p/b Hootsuite
DurasekKristijanNENT Racing p/b Hootsuite
SmukulisGatisNENT Racing p/b Hootsuite
CoronelSamuelNENT Racing p/b Hootsuite
FoucheJamesNENT Racing p/b Hootsuite
MansillaLuis MiguelSignal Iduna
DupontTimothySignal Iduna
AbelouacheEssaidSignal Iduna
KalMiracSignal Iduna
NsengimanaJean BoscoSignal Iduna
Van EmdenJosSignal Iduna
NaesenLawrenceSignal Iduna
SiskeviciusPauliusSignal Iduna
SpenglerLukasTeam UBS
ReinhardtTheoTeam UBS
DillierSilvanTeam UBS
BohliTomTeam UBS
GrandArnaudTeam UBS
FouquetKevinTeam UBS
SchärMichaelTeam UBS
SchäppiMartinTeam UBS
KittelMarcelValio - Viking Genetics
ChatarungaSameeraValio - Viking Genetics
KulppiOlliValio - Viking Genetics
PokäläSamuelValio - Viking Genetics
VanderaerdenMichaelValio - Viking Genetics
BrynjolfssonKariValio - Viking Genetics
HänninenJaakoValio - Viking Genetics
PietikäinenSauliValio - Viking Genetics
StallaertJoeriVolvo acc. by Spotify
LudvigssonTobiasVolvo acc. by Spotify
HaugardPhan AgeVolvo acc. by Spotify
SweeckLaurensVolvo acc. by Spotify
AriesenJohimVolvo acc. by Spotify
BroersRemcoVolvo acc. by Spotify
TanfieldHarryVolvo acc. by Spotify
BuddingMartijnVolvo acc. by Spotify
RoweLukeXero Racing
DebesayMeksebXero Racing
HabtomMikielXero Racing
BesterShaun NickXero Racing
DavisonTomXero Racing
Ngamoki-CameronCarlXero Racing
HiguitaSergioXero Racing
SchomberNilsXero Racing

Riding a race from outside in hopefully, looking for some reasonable performances from Corwin and Orue on the cobbles, Keough for a shot at stage 3. Ortega just because there might be something in the TT for him and Egidio because he does it all reasonably well.

Don't tell Mannion or Stetina there aren't any mountains around here... had to convince them otherwise to get them to go.
Van Asbroeck always did well in this race, but almost all the big cobblers are here so he'll probably lose too much time
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
Much stronger startlist than Roma Maxima. A contender on all three terrains, just hope we get a good GC out of this.
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If we can organise two bunch finishes then Rowe and Debesay start to look like top 5/winners, the latter as best TT in the favourites and the former with bonuses. Hoping for a very good GC result for one or both, and hopefully some stage points along the way (stage win would be nice but focus is on GC)
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Stallaert was not good on those cobbles last time he raced hopefully he will delivery better this time and with such a weak sprintfield maybe he can do something on that stage without cobbles aswell!

Haugard I dont have high hope about here he has a good TT stat but lacks some support stats.
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Machado missing here as he's in Roma ,but I'm quite excited for this one, Summerhill's got work in his hands but seeing how he's ridden so far I'm confident. TT's is his flaw but looking at the list, so is most of his competition so goal is to have him take the race by the horns on the opening day, and try to get to the final TT in yellow to have a shot of winning it.
Another race destroyed by the AI...

Half the peloton gone in the first stage, and only 7-8 riders not completely fucked over.

SotD wrote:
Another race destroyed by the AI...

Half the peloton gone in the first stage, and only 7-8 riders not completely fucked over.

I'm thinking quite the opposite, as these are actually hill and the cobbels sections all (too) hard, but at least not unrealistic long, could provide for more rider able to hang within a reasonable time loss.
It surely can't be the ideal scenario to have 150 riders or so starting the race, and then after stage 1 out of 4 only 61 still remains with just 15 riders within 20 minutes of the leader.

Riders like Zepunkte, Spengler, van Aasbroeck, Bohli, van Keirsbulck, Breen, Stallaert are all effectively out of the race before it has even begun.

7 riders within 8 minutes of eachother.

Random hills, some with HUGE gaps, others with the entire peloton in s.t.
Sprint stages benefitting the sprinters in the region 5-20th pre-race favorite over the actual leaders etc.

It might not be the worst ever version of the game for the Man-Game, but it is a HUGE step backwards from the previous one. More testing should have made the give-away, not an actual season.

Wow what a stage! A shame Debesay couldn't hang on to the front guys, 8th won't be an awful kind of GC but he had the potential for more. Rowe dissapointing and needing a stage win or close to to make up for it, happy enough with Bester who should be good in the TT as well. Happy with Abelouache flying the Signal Iduna flag, forgot we were here but good to see a first PCT level breakaway for the year!

My reaction to the gaps, although doubtlessly weather-influenced, is that probably in PCM18 we don't need every cobbled section to be 5 stars?
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[ICL] Santos-Euskadi | The Life And Times | [PCT] i.imgur.com/c85NSl6.png Xero Racing
[CX] Listerijns & Kiwis

3x i.imgur.com/wM6Wok5.png x3
Wait, what? Should I laugh or cry about Stallaert loosing about 39 minutes...

I know he is worse on hills then Summerhill, Vanspeybrouck f.ex but seeing a rider like Nolf with worse hills stat and cobbles stat beeing up there fighting for podium with Stallaert a long way back make the hills stat not so relevant maybe...

Guess Joeri was at -50 at dayform or maybe riding with just one leg or something like that.

Anyways thanks for report.
So I'm guessing cobbles were set to 5 here as well? That's probably something we need to talk about for next year, this stage was perfect in the past, now it's just an overkill.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
SotD wrote:
It surely can't be the ideal scenario to have 150 riders or so starting the race, and then after stage 1 out of 4 only 61 still remains with just 15 riders within 20 minutes of the leader.

Riders like Zepunkte, Spengler, van Aasbroeck, Bohli, van Keirsbulck, Breen, Stallaert are all effectively out of the race before it has even begun.

7 riders within 8 minutes of eachother.

Random hills, some with HUGE gaps, others with the entire peloton in s.t.
Sprint stages benefitting the sprinters in the region 5-20th pre-race favorite over the actual leaders etc.

It might not be the worst ever version of the game for the Man-Game, but it is a HUGE step backwards from the previous one. More testing should have made the give-away, not an actual season.

You are absolutely right, I did not realize the stage was already posted, I was just guessing based on how the profile looked. And my guess was completely wrong, turned out to be 10-20 times harder than what I would expect.

A agree with all you arguments, as said my post was just a pre-race prediction not an argument about the 15>18 versions.

I'm all for making changes to save the season, both at profiles and rider database.
Edited by Tamijo on 31-12-2019 10:29
Always glad to see my rider do good, but otherwise a stupid race.
Well, that was a stage.

Lucky to have someone in the break and be in with a shot of a decent GC (provided the next stage is not even heavier). Zepuntke with a huge loss.

Thanks Abhishek for the report, congrats YJ!
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Thank God VSB made that selection. No logical reason the pack would just give up there, especially seeing as this isn't a classic but is raced on time. Baffling to say the least.

Luckily the team came to play, and VSB make the jump when it mattered. A stage win would have been nice, but we're shaping up for a great GC, and our domestiques are well above their grade here, with two ahead of the peloton. No complaints here.
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Thanks! This was definetely a weird affair, Summerhill took the win and I'm happy although somewhat reluctant as he was far from dominant and here we had ambition to take the lead permanently. Still, next stage means a new opportunity, and seeing how Eeckhout and Dahl-Olsen ridden I can be happy with the depth and support for yellow tomorrow, even if just with 4 riders at the start line.
Good work from Orue to be ahead of the peloton and make himself good in the end for an easy lead in the U23 which should just be reinforced by the next day.
That was a really cool stage! Shame for Luke Rowe though Sad
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