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Counting the time gaps (editor)
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| Anderis |
Posted on 27-11-2015 15:56
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Is there a way to change how big the time gap between 2 groups needs to be for computer to count it as 2 separate groups on the finish line? I know there was some room for editing it in PCM2010. Is it still possible in PCM2015 and how? |
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| roturn |
Posted on 27-11-2015 16:02
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It is possible but no longer in the DB.
You can change it in the stage files but only if you have the zcts editor file. |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 27-11-2015 16:03
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It is only possible if you have the zcts file I'm afraid.
EDIT: Zabel'd.
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| nkunku1244 |
Posted on 27-11-2015 16:05
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And how do i change in in the zcts file? |
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| roturn |
Posted on 27-11-2015 16:06
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Open them in the stage editor, go to stage info or route info and there you can change time gaps, mountain/hill ratio, wind/profile type etc.
Then rebuild all cities again and export. |
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| Anderis |
Posted on 29-11-2015 20:53
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My stage editor can't detect the stages that are in the game apart from few. Is this normal or am I doing something wrong? When I want to open an existing stage and I go to the folder where all stages are present, my stage editor detects only around 10 of them. The rest cannot be seen. |
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| roturn |
Posted on 29-11-2015 21:02
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The stage editor can only open .zcts files.
The stage files are .cds and .zces though. If you don`t have the .zcts files, you won`t be able to make any changes. You could ask the stage creator if he can send you the .zcts file. |
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| Anderis |
Posted on 29-11-2015 21:04
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Ahh, I see. I mixed up .zcts with .zces. So there's basically no option to lower the gap that is needed to count 2 separate times for groups in all stages I use in the game. It's a shame, because I think that 20 secs on flat stages is way more than needed considering how sprints usually pan out in PCM2015. |
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| clamel |
Posted on 09-12-2015 23:33
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What I have seen many (even most) stages have these TimeGap set to -1.
Please enlight me how this affect that speicifc race.
My thoughts are that many times you can see splits to almost 1km in the finish then they get the same time. It is a bit mad, and I might understand that this setting of timegaps could be the bandit causing this.
I thought that it to do with "scale" problem, as launching a full out sprint even before reaching the kite.
This time problem is more often on flat stages where it is almost impossible to get those vital 2-5 seconds on a late desperate charge (as van Avermat)
Just a thought. Should timegaps be set to 1-2 seconds on these flat stages, or am I misunderstanding this.
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 09-12-2015 23:40
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I would love to see these tiny time gaps. Especially races with a TTT and only flat stages would be much more realistic like that (Tour of Qatar, Denmark,...) Trying late attacks or destroying the peloton on the wind would be much more interesting and the flat stat might get a small boost through this, which I would love to see...
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| Anderis |
Posted on 10-12-2015 08:43
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As I said in the wishlist thread, I believe that demand for a certain set value for time gap to be counted came from the fact that in the previous versions of the game, the combination of sprint's dynamics and game's scale could cause some weird results on sprint stages, for example a bunch finish where 1st sprinter gets 5 seconds GC advantage on 2nd sprinter etc.
Now, when sprints look more realistic (riders finish more tightly) in 2015, there's no need to be so cautious IMO and the game would benefit from significant decrease in this set value. It was 20 secs on flat stages in PCM2010 IIRC, I don't know if it remains the same in PCM2015 but my opinion is that 4-5 secs could well be enough and I'm quite sure the set value is much more than that judging by the outcome of some races I had. |
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| roturn |
Posted on 10-12-2015 09:07
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Setting the time gap to 1-2s on flat stages would bring chaos.
There would be lots of gaps in the peloton sprint. The last guys of the peloton wouldn`t lose ~10s like in real but in PCM they would lose like 3min. Which is highly unrealistic.
Hence a minimum gap of 4-7s would be needed to avoid counting every single gap between two riders. This would probably still lead to problems at times as sprinters often open a ~5s gap but also pull a couple of GC riders with them. For example the yellow jersey. If this happens in a GT, then the 2nd - 10th in the GC would lose like 1min on a flat stage due to the sprinter gap.
So having it on -1 is surely not ideal. But on a flat stage this usually means 20s is needed for a gap. But it is still more realistic to a real peloton than lots of gaps on a sprint stage. In especially as the gaps would be 10x bigger than normally with only a few leadout riders dropping under the 1min mark in the final kilometers. |
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| clamel |
Posted on 11-12-2015 16:05
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But if -1 in the editor is equal to about 20 second gaps (gametime) for any difference on a sprint stage, wouldn't setting it a bit shorter kind of get haalf the way. Lets say 15 seconds.
My problem is perhaps only visual when a sprint looks kind of weird (perhaps better on pcm15) with 1 rider getting over the finish line when the rest of the bunch just ubder the kite. I would like to have such an event to result in a 5-10 second time win for the winner.
Then perhaps this is only dreams
The result you bring forward Roturn is surely not good. Then I rather stick with what ever happens. Guess most stages are set to -1 second.
Love to test it on criteriums shortly.
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| Vasilis |
Posted on 31-01-2016 17:07
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I do think gaps should be smaller. If riders are counted as being in separate groups as they cross the line, they should also be apart in the result. Just now a huge crash occurred during the sprint, but because of this, in my opinion, ridiculous 20s rule, every single rider that crashed finished in the peloton. Richie Porte would have liked that during last year's Giro. Yes, on sprinter getting a gap is a little crazy, but there will always be groups of riders who get dropped and lose half a minute or a couple. I get quite frustrated by a 19s gap between a group and a rider and then another 19s gap between that rider and the next group. It's impossible to rip the peloton apart during sprintgs like it happens in real races. I think it ought to be a 10-15s gap, and they should also apply the same gap rules to the finish as to defining different groups on the road. |
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