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A couple of questions
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| 7thGalaxy |
Posted on 04-07-2014 13:05
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Hi
I've got 2 questions about pcm 13.
First up - In career mode I've just had a team promoted from CT to PCT. I suddenly can't seem to get invites to any races at all - my season is looking really thin on the ground. Will this go away if I win a couple of the bigger tours?
Secondly - I'm building a mountain specialist team. What's the best way of forming a 'team sky' style train on the front, to push the pace up and drop off the peloton? I tend to put my leader on dot, with a rider protecting him. That protecting rider gets knackered really quickly, so it's not ideal really. Is relay a good way of doing this? With your leader on relay but lower effort it'd keep him protected, then have one on the front on higher dot, so he stays there until exhausted, then drop him off and use up the next one.
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| Lachi |
Posted on 04-07-2014 13:54
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I am not sure what you are asking. Did your team got promoted to PCT? Or did you edit your team into the PCT? Generally the game should create a race plan for your team at the start of the season giving you enough races to participate in. You then have the possibility to ask for more invitations in the start of each period. But you cannot expect to get invitations to the Pro Tour races with a weak team, so you should concentrate on PCT races.
I doubt you can build a Sky train with a PCT team because the AI riders will just overtake them. But you can put the weakest mountain rider on infinite relay and the others on short relay to build a mountain train. As soon as the first one is out of energy, put the next weakest on infinite, and so on.
I would never put a leader on short relay. Either put him on hold position or individual effort (the dot). Short relay is only useful to pull a group, and you surely don't want to do that with your leader.
And always protect your leader. Of course you drain the energy of the helper but it is better then draining the energy of your leader. Generally you shouldn't make your leader ride faster than the stage favorites. It is better to save energy for the final sprint or for a short attack just before the sprint.
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| 7thGalaxy |
Posted on 04-07-2014 14:56
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Thanks for answering
My team got promoted to PCT. I've been given a race schedule, but it's a bit thin on the ground - fewer races than the previous year. I'm not attempting to get into UCI WT races - only 2:1 and 2:2 around Europe. In the previous year I got some of the requests for an invite accepted, this year none at all.
You can build a sky train of sorts, I've picked up a couple of stunning young climbers who can easily pull away from the competition. It depends if the UWT teams are in a race or not, or who they've sent, of course.
With regards to the short relay & protection. If I put a leader into the short relay with effort less than the others, he will stay protected by the others at the back of the relay, but at the front of the peloton - which is where you want him to launch an attack from.
Will he be less protected there than on dot/hold position with a rider designated to protect him?
I notice you can protect riders in the relay - is this worthwhile?
Thanks
Edited by 7thGalaxy on 04-07-2014 15:26
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| Lachi |
Posted on 04-07-2014 15:57
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Instead of editing a double post, you can just delete it by ticking that option below the message.
Of course you can put your leader on short relay but you gain nothing from it. Put him on dot if you want to regulate his speed or put him on hold position. (If you use the hold position at the end of the train, he stays there. And if you set his effort high enough, he will follow AI riders, who possibly overtake your train, which he wouldn't if you put him on short relay.)
Like I said, you should always protect your leader, no matter if you use short relay, hold position or dot. Even if the gains are minimal, each bit of yellow and red bar can give him an advantage at the end of the stage.
BTW: Attacking is a waste of energy. If you have a mountain train, then use it so that your leader reaches the summit without attacking. If you cannot prevent AI riders from attacking then you can use the dot and raise the effort. (Use dot at 99 and your rider will ride as fast as the attackers but the speed can be regulated better with the dot.)
Edited by Lachi on 04-07-2014 15:58
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| samdiatmh |
Posted on 04-07-2014 19:32
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I always find that "trains" are fairly hard to do, and normally the guy being reeled in from the break seems to always end up blocking in my leader when the main contenders attack
I like to keep them all near the front anyway, then have my leader run a relay command (being protected by my 3rd best climber) and then it becomes my 2nd best climber when he is spent (normally I move it to dot around 85 at this point) and then watch the field be left behind
also be wary of how far you've got to go, you can leave late if your leader is fresh and the mountain is steep
*remembers pulling back 2 mins in the final 5kms of a TDF stage trying to protect the yellow after I foolishly let Contador go*
attacking actually only works against you, as the AI then respond to it, the best way to make a gap without a response is dot-99, but you won't be able to maintain it for long
basically I feel that the protect command is the difference between normal and extrem mode, but it's a godsend in the classics (means that I never get the "Mapei" achievement though) |
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| Tricky |
Posted on 12-09-2014 11:39
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Long time lurker, first time commenter.
I'm having the same issues as 7th Galaxy with race invites.
I'm playing with Drapac, and I've been promoted to ProConti level for season 14. I can't get any acknowledgement of my invite requests to any races at all - I've been applying for 2.HC, 1.HC, 1.1, 2.1 races so I can make sure my riders are peaking for my sponsors goals.
Has anyone else found the same issue, and any ideas on how to fix it? |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 12-09-2014 12:06
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Tricky wrote:
Long time lurker, first time commenter.
I'm having the same issues as 7th Galaxy with race invites.
I'm playing with Drapac, and I've been promoted to ProConti level for season 14. I can't get any acknowledgement of my invite requests to any races at all - I've been applying for 2.HC, 1.HC, 1.1, 2.1 races so I can make sure my riders are peaking for my sponsors goals.
Has anyone else found the same issue, and any ideas on how to fix it?
Can you explain your problem better? Maybe with some screenshots?
Edited by matt17br on 12-09-2014 12:06
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| Lachi |
Posted on 12-09-2014 15:22
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The easiest solution for assigning your team to the races is using my season planner. It can be found somewhere in this subforum. |
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| Tricky |
Posted on 13-09-2014 08:08
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matt17br wrote:
Can you explain your problem better? Maybe with some screenshots?
I'll try and get a decent screenshot, although I'm not sure it will help.
At the start of the season I've got the usual races that are pre-assigned on Jan 1st. However any other race that I apply for, I don't get an invite for. I can understand if its World Tour or 1.2, 2.2 races, however this applies to all HC and .1 races.
As an experiment, I applied for all 1.HC, 2.HC, 1.1 & 2.1 races between 1/4 & 31/5, and didn't get a single invite.
A repeat of the experiment here.
Screenshot 1 shows all the 1.HC, 2.HC 1.1 & 2.1 races selected between 1/6 - 31/7.
Of those races, only Tour of Qinghai Lake replied with a yes (screenshot 2) - which based on the previous experiment I wasn't expecting. It also happens to be a race I'm not interested in (clashes with a sponsor requirement).
This is despite being the top Continental team in both the Continental and CQ ranks.
DB I'm using: PCM Daily.
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| Tricky |
Posted on 13-09-2014 08:09
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Screenshot 2:
(sorry for the multiple posts - not sure how to embed an image instead of having to link from elsewhere)
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| Tricky |
Posted on 13-09-2014 08:10
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Screenshot 3:
(again, sorry for the multiple posts - not sure how to embed an image instead of having to link from elsewhere)
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| Tricky |
Posted on 13-09-2014 08:15
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Lachi wrote:
The easiest solution for assigning your team to the races is using my season planner. It can be found somewhere in this subforum.
Thanks for the reply Lachi - I just had a hunt around for it and couldn't find it.
Are you talking about your editor that is in the downloads PCM 13 downloads area? |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 13-09-2014 08:59
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Tricky wrote:
Lachi wrote:
The easiest solution for assigning your team to the races is using my season planner. It can be found somewhere in this subforum.
Thanks for the reply Lachi - I just had a hunt around for it and couldn't find it.
Are you talking about your editor that is in the downloads PCM 13 downloads area?
No, he's talking about this: https://pcmdaily.c...d_id=23698
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| Tricky |
Posted on 13-09-2014 09:38
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I'm a little confused - will that work on PCM13 as that's the version for 12?
Thanks for your help though Matt  |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 13-09-2014 09:43
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Tricky wrote:
I'm a little confused - will that work on PCM13 as that's the version for 12?
Thanks for your help though Matt
Ooops!
https://pcmdaily.c...d_id=30725
This is the '13 version 
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| Tricky |
Posted on 13-09-2014 09:48
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Brilliant. I'll give it a go.
I'll have to season plan from halfway through though |
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| Tricky |
Posted on 13-09-2014 11:20
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So far so good Seems to be working a treat |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 14-09-2014 00:11
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Yes, that's the correct link to my latest planner, which should be working for PCM13 and PCM14.
Using my planner, you can send your team to any race, but you still have to apply for Wildcards to the Word Tour races. |
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| OZrocker |
Posted on 14-09-2014 09:15
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I think part of the difficulty in getting race invites as Drapac is because there are almost no Australian races in the database. In my first season on continental level I've found that you get almost no invites, and I think the invites are based your team's talent, nationality and popularity of local riders. I got a couple of invitations from Dutch races (probably because I have Floris Goesinnen) but aside from that it is hard to get many races into the calendar.
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| Lachi |
Posted on 14-09-2014 11:41
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In this case, the easiest solution would be to change the nationality of the team to an european country just before asking for invites and then changing it back as soon as you got them. |
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