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AI ? more like AD
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| Koener |
Posted on 15-08-2012 16:24
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Playing a career with BMC on pcm daily database.
in my second season Milan Sanemo i send Moser away on the Poggio to force the pack to pull harder so it will drop some sprinters........
No team chases him so Moser wins with 4 min ahead
The pack shuffels over the Poggio with all 187 riders in the pack, ok i like Moser to win MSR on his 21. But then until 800 m the pack refuses to sprint so i do it. Result 1 Moser 2 Van Aevermaet 3 Blyth ????? 4 Hushovd(all mine) i like a bit of glory but this is too much.
i've noticed this sprint issue a couple of times when you pull off something ai doesn't expect.
Oy yea AD - Artificial Dumbass
Also LBL, San Sebastian and Lombardia always have the same scenario
the teamleaders attack and the peloton does nothing even the teams that don't have somebody up there.
In stageraces if you dare to put one man in the pursuit, the other teams back off and you do it alone....(old issue PCM 10)
Also in the tours, the semifavorites attack rediculous 5meter attacks up to 5 times in a row. And they all do it (of top 20 riders)
i played everything from the 1e PCM
The old people are right -in the old days everything was beter-
(except graphs)
Anyway up to the next race (cobblestoneclassics no complaint there)
Oh yeah Joseph Dombrowski won Lombardia (read Moser, same story)
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| Whomario |
Posted on 15-08-2012 16:42
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did you "send him away" by just increasing his effort on "dot" ? If so, i believe that´s an exploit that has beeen around since like the very first versions of the game ... |
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 15-08-2012 16:43
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I also had kinda the same, with Patch 1.2.0.0, playing with France in the WC. With 5 kms to go, the peloton was all together, then I attacked with my leader (can't remember who now) and the peloton stopped to 30 km/h and later took quite a long time to start sprinting (after we entered the 3 last kms). In the end France made 1-2-3, really bugged.
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| Koener |
Posted on 15-08-2012 17:33
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Whomario wrote:
did you "send him away" by just increasing his effort on "dot" ? If so, i believe that´s an exploit that has beeen around since like the very first versions of the game ...
No at the base of the climb i attacked but since he's no favorit 'they' do nothing. Also this messes with ai sprinttactic. Same as with Dombrowski in Lombardia, if it's a unknown but fairly strong guy it works. or doesn't work (considering the realism you expect from AI)
So its actually good if your attacker has no star on the loadingscreen 'favs'
Not in stageraces though.
I guess AI hasn't changed since 2008, mayby only for the worst
Edited by Koener on 15-08-2012 17:37
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| Whomario |
Posted on 15-08-2012 17:43
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Ah, ok. Might not have come across it as Classics in general are an afterthough to me, i tend to concentrate a lot more on the stage races, |
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| diogo288 |
Posted on 15-08-2012 18:09
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lluuiiggii wrote:
I also had kinda the same, with Patch 1.2.0.0, playing with France in the WC. With 5 kms to go, the peloton was all together, then I attacked with my leader (can't remember who now) and the peloton stopped to 30 km/h and later took quite a long time to start sprinting (after we entered the 3 last kms). In the end France made 1-2-3, really bugged.
Happened the same to me in some sprint finishes, the pack simply "stoped". |
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| Koener |
Posted on 16-08-2012 12:33
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Another issue i just discovered is that if the favorites jump (giro d'italia this time) even on a flat stage, the pack will chase at a very low pace.
I put some of my guys in the relay and they take back 30 sec each turn, but this does not inspire the others in the chase,
allowing Contador to take 3 min on a 5km flat stretch.
Closed down the stage (i am no cheater but this is ridiculous)
'second run i put my men on relay without allowing others in the chase
redult - even a whoose on the flat like rabotini (alone) takes 2 min against phinny, ballan and cummings relaying at 90.
So the favs altough inferiour on the flat then my train just steamroll away ?????????
İ suspect the fav's get superpowers during their raid (E-dope???)
Sometimes with this fav's jump (in classics) the pack stops riding forming a Berlin wall where your men cannot even penetrated to take the front.
When they finally scissled tru the wall you're looking at 3 min on 3-5 k.
It's a pity coz i always felt choosing to jump or just let your team wheel in the escapees (do or die situations) was a great part of the tactical game
Now there is but one option, jump with the fav's.
If your fav is a bit weaker your team could use this jumps as a tactic to weaken stronger opponents after you took them back.
Ahhh '12 graphs with '10 ai would be my turn on
or maybe i live in the past and should just adapt to the new strategy
Take 3 of this stage i will bite my pride and jump too
Edited by Koener on 16-08-2012 12:52
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 16-08-2012 12:39
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what patch and db are using?
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| roturn |
Posted on 16-08-2012 12:50
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What are your option settings?
Do you maybe play with inactive AI in multiplayer?
In earlier PCM`s this also meant inactive AI in single player. ^^
So you should try to don`t have this one.
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| misar82 |
Posted on 16-08-2012 18:30
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Flat stage (stage 2 Giro 2012) The main pack walls together before 5 km to finish, no sprint, the main stage favorites (Petacchi, Goss...) enjoying the ride at the back of the pack, then 3 movistar seem the only ones to realize the finish is near and start the sprint...Lastras wins! with 34 second advantage over pack wtf???
"Between me and Eddie Merkcx we have won all the classics. I won the Paris-Tours, he won all the rest"
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 16-08-2012 19:24
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what db?
what patch?
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| misar82 |
Posted on 16-08-2012 19:27
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TheManxMissile wrote:
what db?
what patch?
PCMdaily Expansion pack and db, latest patch, difficulty hard, career mode
"Between me and Eddie Merkcx we have won all the classics. I won the Paris-Tours, he won all the rest"
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 16-08-2012 19:29
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misar82 wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
what db?
what patch?
PCMdaily Expansion pack and db, latest patch, difficulty hard, career mode
do you have inactive ai in multiplayer ticked?
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| misar82 |
Posted on 16-08-2012 19:34
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TheManxMissile wrote:
misar82 wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
what db?
what patch?
PCMdaily Expansion pack and db, latest patch, difficulty hard, career mode
do you have inactive ai in multiplayer ticked?
well, I have it unticked as I actually thought by not ticking it remained active (as it reads "multiplayer passive AI" ... should I have it ticked?
"Between me and Eddie Merkcx we have won all the classics. I won the Paris-Tours, he won all the rest"
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 16-08-2012 19:36
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misar82 wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
misar82 wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
what db?
what patch?
PCMdaily Expansion pack and db, latest patch, difficulty hard, career mode
do you have inactive ai in multiplayer ticked?
well, I have it unticked as I actually thought by not ticking it remained active (as it reads "multiplayer passive AI" ... should I have it ticked?
pelli said that if ticked then it can also impact single player
its odd
i've not had any of these such issues and i've got to 2014...
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| misar82 |
Posted on 16-08-2012 19:39
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TheManxMissile wrote:
misar82 wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
misar82 wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
what db?
what patch?
PCMdaily Expansion pack and db, latest patch, difficulty hard, career mode
do you have inactive ai in multiplayer ticked?
well, I have it unticked as I actually thought by not ticking it remained active (as it reads "multiplayer passive AI" ... should I have it ticked?
pelli said that if ticked then it can also impact single player
its odd
i've not had any of these such issues and i've got to 2014...
Yeah, wierd stuff, at least it doesnt happen that often, thanks anyway m8
"Between me and Eddie Merkcx we have won all the classics. I won the Paris-Tours, he won all the rest"
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| Koener |
Posted on 17-08-2012 01:39
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Thanx roturn i will try this,
anyway i use latest patch and pcm daily (The best).
I know i am whining a lot, but this game and pcm databases gave me years of fun and i had my hopes very high for 2012.
So i feel a bit dissapointed by the outcome and the fact that the latest patch is taking so long.
As my wife said i had to be more optimistic, so i just assume they want to get it 'right'
Oh about the tactics, clearly the effort number (when holding position)
is way more important then before, adjusting that on the right time helps a lot.
Still i wouldn't be me if i found something else.
Why is my luitenant sneaking away with other groups instead of protecting me, this happend a lot in my giro. Tiptoieng slowly further until the group brakes and he's with the leaders and i am not
I suspect he is doing a Froomy because he wants to be leader.
No seriously, is there a way to prevent this ???
Koener
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| SweatyViking |
Posted on 17-08-2012 20:19
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I'm doing a Tour with Sky right now, first mountain stage, Wiggins drops into the grupetto and loses 15 minutes without any effort taken to stay in the peloton... |
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 18-08-2012 03:09
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SweatyViking wrote:
I'm doing a Tour with Sky right now, first mountain stage, Wiggins drops into the grupetto and loses 15 minutes without any effort taken to stay in the peloton...
Isn't it possible you used the command to take position next to a rider and that specific cyclist dropped, so Wiggins dropped too? It is just a guessing, tho, because I never use that command, but if I remember correctly, I have seen someone mentioned this happens if you use that command and the target cyclist drops.
Disclaimer: The above post reflects just the personal opinion of the author and not a fact. But if you read it, you must accept it as the ultimate truth.
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| Koener |
Posted on 18-08-2012 12:27
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SweatyViking wrote:
I'm doing a Tour with Sky right now, first mountain stage, Wiggins drops into the grupetto and loses 15 minutes without any effort taken to stay in the peloton...
i am afraid this is because, the number of your effort is way more important to stay in the pack, then it used to in previous pcm's.
in 2010 you just put 50 and he would stay in front till almost the end.
in a mountainstage look at your weakest rider, when he is getting red flashing of his effort make all of them higher.
Or make them 75-80 on climbs and 85 on the last climb
Also bring your whole team to the front in the first km so they won't be dropped so easy, as they will always return to their front spot even after fall or flat tyre.
But does somebody know what to do if your domestique leaves without protecting you. If the group brakes he always is in the first.
Ok i should make sure my leader is there too
Is it important they have the same effort ?
Edited by Koener on 18-08-2012 12:29
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