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| solano |
Posted on 09-02-2012 07:29
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Apologies because I know that someone has answered this before but I can't find it anywhere.
Sometimes at the end of a stage there are clear gaps between riders (or groups of riders) and yet they are all given the same time.
How do I adjust the settings so that they are given different times?
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| Teddy The Creator |
Posted on 09-02-2012 07:45
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Pretty sure you can't change any settings to fix it and it's just one of PCM's common problems.
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| Lachi |
Posted on 09-02-2012 08:28
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The time games can be set in STA_stage. The game uses 20 sec for flat arrivals, 10 sec for hilly arrivals and 7 for mountains.
You could fiddle with that but you need to set at least 1 else all riders would get a different time like in TT. |
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| solano |
Posted on 09-02-2012 18:04
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Thanks Lachi.
Do the changes apply to all flat, hilly and mountain stages or would I have to change the settings for every stage of a race? |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 09-02-2012 18:11
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I guess you did not look into it yet, else you would not ask.
The column is called gene_f_time_gap and because it is in STA_stage, you would have to change it for every stage obviously. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 09-02-2012 18:12
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There's a setting for every stage in the DB. |
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| solano |
Posted on 09-02-2012 18:59
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Thanks again.
I'm not sure it's that important to have to change it for every stage.
If I lose a stage race by a few seconds though I may have to change my mind on this. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 09-02-2012 19:06
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In the PCM.daily DB, we have made a general change - flat stages are changed from 20 to 15, stages ending slightly uphill from 12 to 10 or 7, and mountain top finishes have been changed from 7 to 4.
You could do the same  |
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 09-02-2012 19:07
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solano wrote:
Thanks again.
I'm not sure it's that important to have to change it for every stage.
If I lose a stage race by a few seconds though I may have to change my mind on this.
Well the DB you're using have most probably already set these values to be the best as possible for gameplay, it's not that these are 'wrong' and you need to change them. You can occasionally change one or other if you disagree with the time gap for such stage (e.g. a flat one with 15 seconds but it has a hill suitable for attacks in the finish).
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| solano |
Posted on 10-02-2012 08:49
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I'm just using the DB that came with the game. That was because I started the game before I logged on here and realised that other DBs are available. By that time I didn't want to start all over again as I was enjoying my save.
It's not a major issue, but there have been times when I've worked hard, had a clear gap to a rival at the end of a stage, thought I was gaining some valuable seconds only to see that he's been given the same time.
Maybe I should just crash in the final 3km of each stage, save energy and get the same time.  |
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| dienblad |
Posted on 10-02-2012 08:57
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That last thing doesn't work... I've seen many crashes in the last 1-2 kilometres, and there were time gaps given...
Maybe there should be the option, that you can let on eof your rides crash, so he can cause a massive pile up, with a lot of riders losing time
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| Lachi |
Posted on 10-02-2012 10:04
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solano wrote:
It's not a major issue, but there have been times when I've worked hard, had a clear gap to a rival at the end of a stage, thought I was gaining some valuable seconds only to see that he's been given the same time.
I would recommend only using real life tactics. I mean, did you ever see a team captain attacking at the end of a flat stage while the peloton is preparing for a mass sprint? Cancellara tried it several times and was lucky once or so, but other riders just cannot gain time like that.
In mountain and hilly stages it should be easy to gain time by attacking on the last climb, but of course you cannot gain time against the best opponents because they can (and should) react to your actions. |
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| solano |
Posted on 10-02-2012 10:30
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I'm sorry, but I'm not sure why you think I'm not using realistic tactics just because I have a clear space betwween my rider and a rival. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 10-02-2012 12:41
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I was assuming, because I never had a problem to create a gap in PCM if there should be gaps compared to real life.
Taking the Tour de France as an example, could you show me one flat stage, where a contender for the overall classification created a gap to his rivals?
But I don't want to accuse you of something, just play the game like you want to. |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 10-02-2012 13:46
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Lachi wrote:Taking the Tour de France as an example, could you show me one flat stage, where a contender for the overall classification created a gap to his rivals?.
Vinokourov did it on the Champs-Élysées |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 10-02-2012 14:05
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So you just registered to say that?
But please give me a better example because he won the stage, but he did not create a gap.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/21e_éta...rance_2005
(m.t. means "same time" in case you don't understand French.)
Edit: And I would not recommend using Vino's tactic in PCM too often because the AI is just not programmed to react to it.
Edited by Lachi on 10-02-2012 14:08
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| fickman |
Posted on 10-02-2012 18:18
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One time Wigins had a crash and he was the leader of the race, so i pulled as hard as i could with the others sprinters teams. We were in the last 10 km of the race and the peloton manage to get a gap of 1:34 and when the results came Wigings was given the same time as the peloton. WTF??????? |
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 10-02-2012 18:53
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fickman wrote:
One time Wigins had a crash and he was the leader of the race, so i pulled as hard as i could with the others sprinters teams. We were in the last 10 km of the race and the peloton manage to get a gap of 1:34 and when the results came Wigings was given the same time as the peloton. WTF???????
For the gap to count it's not 15/20 seconds on the first rider of the group, but instead on the last rider. So very probably he was less than 15/20 seconds of the last rider of the group (assuming that was the gap for this stage).
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| fickman |
Posted on 10-02-2012 18:55
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Good to know lluuiiggii. Now i understand. |
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| solano |
Posted on 10-02-2012 21:35
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Lachi wrote:
I was assuming, because I never had a problem to create a gap in PCM if there should be gaps compared to real life.
Taking the Tour de France as an example, could you show me one flat stage, where a contender for the overall classification created a gap to his rivals?
But I don't want to accuse you of something, just play the game like you want to.
Does Miguel Indurain's break in 1994 (I think it was) in the Ardennes not count? He attacked, his rivals didn't react and he rode away with Johan Bruyneel. Just a thought.
Anyway, thank you for not accusing me of anything. I play the game the best I can and sometimes I win. Mostly I don't. I try to be realistic within the reality of a game. |
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