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Fitness Programs Discussion
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| titleist82 |
Posted on 15-12-2011 15:50
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One of the best part of PCM is in my opinion the season planning at the beginning of the year: optimizing riders' racing calendar and fitness schedule according to race profiles and riders' attributes.
I find pretty hard to find a balanced fitness schedule for a rider (e.g. A.Schleck) who targets both Ardennes Classics and TdF, or for a spriter who targets MSR and Grand Tour(s).
Which sort of fitness schedule would you recomend for these kind of riders?
Which kind of races would you target with a Breschel-type of rider (other than Flanders Classics, obviously)? |
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| yoejo |
Posted on 21-12-2011 23:34
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Not sure what you want breschel to be other than northern classic specialist. sprinter? in my pcm (I play with the official db where I think breschel has 76 in sprint and 82 in cobbles.end of 2012) tell me the stats and I can advise you.
anyway, prepare a rider to excel in ardennes classic as well as TDF is no problem.
I just want to make a think clear. I don´t use the "custom" schedule. Right? I always choose one of the prepared. so for ardennes i would say that you start using schleck a little bit in february, 1 or two race days. not so much. I have seen stories in this forum where they start racing their star riders in february a lot, which is unnecessary and crazy.
do parisnice or tirreno. he won´t be at his best or even good, but who cares. if you feel ardennes are more important, go for it.
after tirreno or pairsnice he should have around 75-80 in fitness. make sure he keeps that fitness somehow until gp al pais vasco. (tour of basque country) by the end of that stage race he should have around 90 in fitness. you should do well with him in that stage race too if you´re good.
choose a fitness program (do that in february) where the-most-green bar is shown in the beginning of april. in march there should be yellow and some little green. classics 03 or 04 I think.
after you have done fleche wallonne you need to change program so the green bar is in the end of april. make sure you dont forget to do that.
after LBL just change program to tour de france 02 or03. that will include rest in march and race upload with dauphine libere.
you with me?
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| sam1196 |
Posted on 22-12-2011 10:07
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there are already much threads about this. But Yoeyo explained it very well. What i did with Andy is just aiming for Le Tour only. Like Armstrong did. I made a custom training shedule with 3 weeks on max fitness. And it worked because all other riders are already tired from PN and TA and classics or even Romandie.
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| yoejo |
Posted on 22-12-2011 17:45
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ok sam1196, I have never tried that. I wonder if there´s any difference between having a rider that has max fitness and form for 3 weeks july for the first time, and a rider that maybe has max fitness for the second time. (the first time would then be the ardennes classics or maybe PN)
what´s your thoughts?
on the other hand, having a rider only for the tour is not good if you look at the economical side of it. if he only does the tour and he still costs between 700k-1m euro a year you will lose oney on him.
but that is a different kind of story.  |
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| Wiley |
Posted on 22-12-2011 18:19
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If find that if you break your team down into 8 man squads then assign wach squad a month to focus on then that squad will have very good fitness for the whole month, which can cover 31 race days of good form, a lot of points!!
Plus it means there peaks are spaced out so it avoids over-fatiguing your riders.
This also counts out focusing on jan and feb.
Plus i find just running all riders at full for the last week in october does no damage.
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 22-12-2011 19:09
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Wiley wrote:
Plus i find just running all riders at full for the last week in october does no damage.
But can't be less useful than another approach. For example: if you set your rider for lvl 6 in the last week of october, this means he'll need 3 weeks of lvl 5 before, and 3 weeks of lvl 4 before, and so it goes. That way it may happen that he reaches the lvl 6 week with maximum training fitness of 72, 73 for example. On the other hand, if that last week was a lvl 5 one, then he would only need 3 weeks of lvl 4, and such, giving him 3 easier weeks, and so he could reach the last week of October with max 75 or 76 training fitness.
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| Wiley |
Posted on 22-12-2011 23:09
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except that usually you have a rider peaking for the worlds or end of vuelta so it doesnt matter as they are up over 90 at the end of september, so it just holds then above 85, a competitive fitness level
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 23-12-2011 00:06
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Wiley wrote:
except that usually you have a rider peaking for the worlds or end of vuelta so it doesnt matter as they are up over 90 at the end of september, so it just holds then above 85, a competitive fitness level
In such races, specially classics, all details can make a difference  So yeah 4~5 fitness points can be the difference from a win or a 5th place.
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| Wiley |
Posted on 23-12-2011 00:17
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it works for me ... I won 5 out of 5 races in october with Moreno using this method ....
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| Neillster |
Posted on 23-12-2011 18:24
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My advise, and what I'm currently using for my team Sky is that I choose what riders I want for particular races. Normally that's the GT's, cobbles, classics etc. Usually I find I need most of the team fit for early March for Paris-Nice and Tirreno-Adriatico. Also try and see if you can match high fitness levels along with the riders favourite races for the best results.  |
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| yoejo |
Posted on 23-12-2011 23:33
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+1 on above. try to care about your five-six best riders the most and where they will peak during the season. although I don´t use the "custom" schedule in the training section. I always use of the prepared.
I never look at the which level they are on. I only care about their fitness to be over 90 when their top-race starts. I had garmin in 2012 and played in 1.600000 euros  and it´s not really a dream-team, even if it is one of the 5-6 best teams.
I wonder if there´s any difference between having a rider that has max fitness and form for 3 weeks july for the first time, and a rider that maybe has max fitness for the second time
no one has answered that yet. does any1 have a clue?
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 23-12-2011 23:40
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yoejo wrote:
I wonder if there´s any difference between having a rider that has max fitness and form for 3 weeks july for the first time, and a rider that maybe has max fitness for the second time
no one has answered that yet. does any1 have a clue?
Peaking for the first time or not will make no difference in how high will the rider fitness be, except for the fatigue, which can play a role if you have already peaked once (lower max training fitness in some points).
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| yoejo |
Posted on 24-12-2011 12:23
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Peaking for the first time or not will make no difference in how high will the rider fitness be, except for the fatigue, which can play a role if you have already peaked once (lower max training fitness in some points).
ye, that makes sense. |
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 24-12-2011 14:02
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yoejo wrote:
Peaking for the first time or not will make no difference in how high will the rider fitness be, except for the fatigue, which can play a role if you have already peaked once (lower max training fitness in some points).
ye, that makes sense.
Not sure if that was ironic, but reading it again, indeed I didn't expressed myself the way I really wanted 
Since you guys were only talking about peaking for the first and second time, and the word fatigue is never mentioned, I thought you could be talking about 'oh in a second peak the riders legs will be better/worse and so he won't reach the same amount of points, instead he'll reach more or reach less'. So what I said is that this doesn't matter; if there was no fatigue you could have 5 peaks in a year and them all would get your rider into the same fitness lvl, so the fatigue is the only factor changing anything between two peaks.
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| yoejo |
Posted on 24-12-2011 22:15
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Not sure if that was ironic, but reading it again, indeed I didn't expressed myself the way I really wanted
no, it wasn´t ironic. It did actually make sense. you can have 2 peaks when the rider is equally in best shape. Not sure how many peaks he can have though |
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| dcool |
Posted on 01-01-2012 11:46
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I'm planning my first season in PCM 11 (after my beloved savegame in PCM06 unfortunatly got deleted and unable to recover).
By making a custom fitness program, how high up can the "white bars" get up, before training fitness starts to come down (from 80)?
From my PCM06 experience, I was guessing about 50% fatique would be a safe peak, but would be nice to get a more accurate prediction from somone more experienced, so I dont miscalculate for e.g. in the last week of a tour...
Have searched the forums not finding an answer to the this question yet. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 01-01-2012 14:45
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As far as I know, the fatigue calculation is the same in all PCM games.
If the fatigue is 1000 or higher the training fitness will decrease.
But I never understood how you can see the limit of 1000 in the different interfaces of the game. |
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| dcool |
Posted on 01-01-2012 15:07
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Thanks Lachi I'll try to be quite conservative with my best riders (White bar at 40% of max), and then I can compare the graphs for the riders getting into shape early, and check when their max fitness starts to decline, and their corresponding white bars from the "evaluation function", and if nessasary make changes to the other fitness programs then. |
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