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| joselesm |
Posted on 05-10-2011 11:10
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How to sustain a breakaway either in group or solo? |
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| tyriion |
Posted on 05-10-2011 12:16
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It's very hard. Basically when the peloton wants to they always catch the break. So it's as much luck as skill getting a breakaway to the finish line.
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| M3d3k |
Posted on 05-10-2011 12:49
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It is very annoying that in 90% you can not have your rider in breakaway even if he is about 40 min behind in general, they always riding like mad, but than you don't send your rider and break is in 10km like 3-4min ahead... Really stupid... |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 05-10-2011 13:15
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@joselesm:
It is not up to you to make a sucessful break away or even win the stage from the escape group. The peloton decides if the want to chase the escaped riders or not. Like in real cycling in some stages the chances are higher for a successful break away.
But there are other reasons why you should send a rider to the break away:
- Win intermediate sprints and maybe even the point jerseys
- Force the peloton to do some work (chase the break away)
- Have a relay (although this real life mountain tactic does not work that well in the game)
@M3d3k:
I never have problems to send a rider to the break away. Maybe I have to try twice or send another rider but finally it is possible.
I really wonder if you have ever watched a cycling race. How often would you say does the first attack get away?
And don't you think that the game would be rather boring if the AI would just let go all of your riders?
Edited by Lachi on 05-10-2011 13:22
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| dienblad |
Posted on 05-10-2011 14:01
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Lachi is right, but it is frustrating that after 10 unsuccesful aattemps, you don't send a rider in the 11th one and that one succeeds.... But that also happens in real cycling.
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| baia |
Posted on 05-10-2011 17:38
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Get in breakaway isn´t a problem......problem is to survive it.
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 05-10-2011 18:12
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I hardly ever go in breakaways. If I do it's simply so I can pick up some intermediate sprints or points in the mountain-classification. I think I've only seen three or four breaks make it to the finish. Some other ones have made it, but I don't count them because they were caught in the last km. |
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| dienblad |
Posted on 05-10-2011 18:50
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cactus-jack wrote:
I hardly ever go in breakaways. If I do it's simply so I can pick up some intermediate sprints or points in the mountain-classification. I think I've only seen three or four breaks make it to the finish. Some other ones have made it, but I don't count them because they were caught in the last km.
Well, look at the upcoming stage in my story, sometimes it happens 
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 05-10-2011 19:05
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Well, it can happen quite frequently in the last week of a GT if there are some stages that doen't end in a mountain finish. Since my team isn't in the WT I participate mostly in 4-5 day races and I rarely see a break make it in. In the end of a GT however, the teams are usually so tired or have lost so many riders that they can't work efficiently. |
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| kwkke10 |
Posted on 05-10-2011 19:05
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With me, it happens a lot. I dont know why, but i saw atleast 20 breaks survive when i have a riding within
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 05-10-2011 19:23
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kwkke10 wrote:
With me, it happens a lot. I dont know why, but i saw atleast 20 breaks survive when i have a riding within
Quite the same to me. I didn't see 20 yet because I haven't been playing on my career for a long time (I'm on April beginning of the 1st year). Still, in P-N and T-A more than half of the stages I'd say were won by the breakaway, and I usually had a guy in it. It's strange, with 30 km left the gap is down to 1'30 but it stops going down about there, then the break wins the stage. (just for the record, I have patch 1.0.4.4 installed). So some flat stages were given out this way for the escapees. However when it really mattered, in the most hilly stages the peloton would catch them.
Oh yeah, and in the most important race of the season so far, MSR, the breakaway looked pretty much under control with 60 kms left, but two escapees attacked up the cipressa, and the peloton would never get them again. The rest of the group was caught. A lone attacker on the Poggio made it to the 2 leaders and won the race. Actually one of the two escapees was reeled in by the pack, because he was the one starting the sprint. He was passed by about 15 riders I think. Now this is quite unrealistic.
Edited by lluuiiggii on 05-10-2011 19:41
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| Humlesnur |
Posted on 05-10-2011 19:32
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I also experience that breakaways from the beginning survive realistically often, even sometimes on major classics (Milan San Remo) and in the start of stage races making the break away riders take over the GC.
The peloton cannot always reel in the breakaway even if it is trying. A technique you can use is to get 2 riders into the breakaway. Initially you make both riders relay on the same speed as the other riders in the breakaway. When the peloton starts to catch up significantly on the last 50-40 km you put your one rider on around 90 and just exhaust him completely pulling the breakaway group. When he can no longer lead on a high speed you attack with your other rider. If no other rider is with you, put him on 90-95 and 99 in the end. If other riders are with you then hold position for a while till you're ready to attack again and then attack. If the other riders are really strong, and you reckon you cannot get rid of them then relay and make ready for a group sprint in the end.
The above obviously does not always work and esp. on flat stages it is difficult, but on hilly stages, even those where the favourites will try and take time on each other, I have had some success with this when using riders not in the GC.
On mountain stages you often see the AI put reasonably strong riders that are doing badly in the GC in breakways around halfway through the stages or with 100-80 km left. These riders catch up the breakways and takes over them on the last ascends and sometimes take the win. If you spot this attack you can join and get a free ride (by holding position behind the AI) to the breakaway and past it before you eventually attack. This could be done with a stron helper on a day where you don't expect a big race among the favourites or by a KoM contender looking to get the extra points on the last summit.
However, again this cannot be expected to happen often, but it gives a relatively good chance on stages that are otherwise very difficult to win with an early breakaway. |
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| Housies |
Posted on 06-10-2011 08:24
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I played an interesting World Championship last weekend that includes some breakaways.
I was playing Belgium in my 3rd season. At that point there was not only Gilbert in my team but alsp Baugnies who had 85 in hil and 3 more riders with hill stats in 80+. I had all 3 big favorites in my team...
I suspected every other country would look to me to take back all break aways. So I did send a minor rider (although he had 79 on hil) away in the break. This break immidiatly took a big lead as no other country wanted to respond. But as I was not certain to win with my rider, I did take back the break away with my star team (even Gilbert helped out).
At the moment we took the break, I attacked with another minor rider and he escaped on his own (80 km to go).
None of the other countrys responded so this guy is now the world champion 
So I guess, if your steam is super strong and has all favorites, the AI will never chase breakaways? |
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| dienblad |
Posted on 06-10-2011 08:38
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@lluuiiggii: The MSR-thing is pretty common in PCM. Some favourite (eg Pozzato) attacks with 60km to go, and it doesn't matter if 4 full teams are chasing him, he stays up front....
It's frustrating that sometimes no breakaway can stay away, or that they get caught before they can get away... Also that sometimes, no team wants to chase the frmed breakaway, but that also happens in real cycling...
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 06-10-2011 16:48
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dienblad wrote:
@lluuiiggii: The MSR-thing is pretty common in PCM. Some favourite (eg Pozzato) attacks with 60km to go, and it doesn't matter if 4 full teams are chasing him, he stays up front....
It's frustrating that sometimes no breakaway can stay away, or that they get caught before they can get away... Also that sometimes, no team wants to chase the frmed breakaway, but that also happens in real cycling...
Actually the escapees who attacked up the Cipressa (still before being caught) had been in the breakaway since the beginning of the day (or, better say, since the peloton let them go), so, something like since 260 kms to the finish. There were some attacks by the favorites on the flat terrain coming with about 50, 40 kms left but the peloton didn't let any of them be successful. They failed, however, to catch the early break, so that's really strange.
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| Bartosz95 |
Posted on 05-09-2012 15:01
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What if I break away with some guy and put others in front of peleton? What if I try slow down peloton some how, will it work? |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 05-09-2012 16:34
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You cannot slow down the peloton unless it is a very small road and you block the road totally. |
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| Rabobank is Best |
Posted on 14-10-2012 06:19
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I play on normal with Geox-TMC and have realized that in smaller tours it is quite possible to have a successful break-away on mountain and hill stages. In the vaults cyclists a Andalucia I had the same rider get two podium finishes in two stages in a four or five man breakaway.
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