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2015 Giro d'Italia - Week Three (24th - 31st May)
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 30-05-2015 16:42
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Anyone else spot the wild Pellizotti in 8th?
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| Kritzo |
Posted on 30-05-2015 16:42
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Jacdk wrote:
As to Astana´s tactic well, Vino have always been a black moraled guy, so sure Aru a italien rider winning stages might bring them more PR and give Aru a gift for staying with them. But in the grand scheme of things, its poor tactics , poor sportsmanship and just poor in general.
Vino was not in the car though. It must have been Martinelli.
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Posted on 30-05-2015 16:43
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Jacdk wrote:
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Jacdk - Are you delusional? He had 0% chance to take pink when they called him back... He would have taken the stage and the blue Jersey but to Astana its worth more to get Aru a stage win on the Queen Stage and 2nd in the GC, its all about the $
Ahh, so the 2:22 he lost to Aru was again a mirage?
Considering that at the point of landa´s pull back Landa had over a min to Contador, had over 30secs to Aru so if he had gone.
Well, if you cant see the writing then you need to learn to read.
He didn't lose 2:22 up the last climb though, he lost 2:22 in total... Landa went more or less full gas up the last climb and he took about 1:30 on Contador up there, so if he went for it solo he still only would have been about 3 minutes ahead, which is still over 2 minutes from pink...
Contador rode even with Landa on the descent which meant Landa had 0% chance to get pink, so Astana made the decision to pull him back to get Aru into 2nd and also try to win the Queen Stage with Aru which is a good business decision from Astana since Aru is a golden goose from a marketing point of view.
Is that fair to Landa? Not really but he just has to deal with it.
Can you tell me where you bought the crystal ball you have? because otherwise you might need to tone down the rhetoric a bit. And not try to be so sure that Landa couldn't have taken the Rosa.
At the point of the descend Landa had 1:45 to Contador , that's almost 2min even before the climb and if Landa didn't as it showed give everything, there is a chance of him gaining the time he needed. Would he have gotten it? well noone can tell. But the chance was there
As to Astana´s tactic well, Vino have always been a black moraled guy, so sure Aru a italien rider winning stages might bring them more PR and give Aru a gift for staying with them. But in the grand scheme of things, its poor tactics , poor sportsmanship and just poor in general.
If i am 100% sure there was no way, then i will say that i think that was the case.
Yeah he had 1:45, then he pushed on and lost some time on Contador, by the time he started arguing with Zakarin it was about 1:30. The last climb was also a pretty simple climb where it's much harder to take time then in the longer steeper climbs. How would he take over 3 minutes on Contador on the Sestriere climb? That's impossible unless he has about 5 mechanicals and a broken leg.
Call it whatever you want, it's good business which is all that mattered to Astana. I'm just guessing now but maybe they have already had contract talks with Landa and KNOW he won't resign? |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 30-05-2015 16:44
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Landa would have not taken the maglia rosa had he continued. Please...
He was more than 5 minutes down on Contador before today. Would have needed more than one mechanical problem for Contador for that to happen...
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 30-05-2015 16:45
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Kritzo wrote:
There was a real chance that Landa could have taken pink. He was 1'44" ahead Contador on the descent and stopped riding hard, went to discuss with Zakarin and then stopping completely.
Such a hollow win for Aru.
Landa went hard on the descent and actually lost time to Contador, when the steep part of the downhill was over he started arguing with Zakarin and kept on arguing for a few KMs then Martinelli probably realised he could never get pink so he called him back. |
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| JoeArmstrong13 |
Posted on 30-05-2015 16:46
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Spilak23 wrote:
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Have you seen anything from il Giro before today?
Yeah and they've looked suspicious for the whole Giro.
Then why this:
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just think it's strange how Astana haven't looked a strong team
I meant in the season so far 
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| kioMsU |
Posted on 30-05-2015 16:48
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Landa is really good. For me he`s better than Aru, but idk why Astana wants Aru to be 2nd. Landa was only one who was in battle with Contador. He should have team in which he can be Leader. |
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Posted on 30-05-2015 16:48
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Landa is really good. For me he`s better than Aru, but idk why Astana wants Aru to be 2nd. Landa was only one who was in battle with Contador. He should have team in which he can be Leader. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 30-05-2015 16:51
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JoeArmstrong13 wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
JoeArmstrong13 wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
Have you seen anything from il Giro before today?
Yeah and they've looked suspicious for the whole Giro.
Then why this:
JoeArmstrong13 wrote:
just think it's strange how Astana haven't looked a strong team
I meant in the season so far
So dominating all season is less suspicious then dominating in one race for which you've peaked?
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 30-05-2015 16:51
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gotlandrules wrote:
If i am 100% sure there was no way, then i will say that i think that was the case.
Yeah he had 1:45, then he pushed on and lost some time on Contador, by the time he started arguing with Zakarin it was about 1:30. The last climb was also a pretty simple climb where it's much harder to take time then in the longer steeper climbs. How would he take over 3 minutes on Contador on the Sestriere climb? That's impossible unless he has about 5 mechanicals and a broken leg.
Call it whatever you want, it's good business which is all that mattered to Astana. I'm just guessing now but maybe they have already had contract talks with Landa and KNOW he won't resign?
So where did you get the crystal ball?
Fact is that you have zero idea and its moronic to even begin to claim that there was no chance. Every cycling expert who have years of experience and more than you all say in consensus that there was a chance.
And i dont really care about sound business from Astana, this is a sport and they should have let Landa try for the rosa now they finally had a cold Contador. |
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 30-05-2015 16:55
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Jacdk wrote:
gotlandrules wrote:
If i am 100% sure there was no way, then i will say that i think that was the case.
Yeah he had 1:45, then he pushed on and lost some time on Contador, by the time he started arguing with Zakarin it was about 1:30. The last climb was also a pretty simple climb where it's much harder to take time then in the longer steeper climbs. How would he take over 3 minutes on Contador on the Sestriere climb? That's impossible unless he has about 5 mechanicals and a broken leg.
Call it whatever you want, it's good business which is all that mattered to Astana. I'm just guessing now but maybe they have already had contract talks with Landa and KNOW he won't resign?
So where did you get the crystal ball?
Fact is that you have zero idea and its moronic to even begin to claim that there was no chance. Every cycling expert who have years of experience and more than you all say in consensus that there was a chance.
And i dont really care about sound business from Astana, this is a sport and they should have let Landa try for the rosa now they finally had a cold Contador.
Oh come on, you don't need a crystal ball to use common sense. Virtually he was almost _4_ minutes behind Contador when he was pulled back by Martinelly... Thats FOUR minutes, on a climb which is relatively easy in the Sestriere... If anyone is a moron it's you, just because you like Landa more then Aru. Running a cycling team is a business, deal with it. |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 30-05-2015 17:29
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Well at some point Landa had 1.40 to Contador and about 1 minute (?) to the chasing group, thats when he started arguing with Zakarin to relay which obviously would help Zakarins chances, but it turned out he was blasted anyways, so you couldn't really expect much there - worth a try tho. Landa had to gain 5.15, so 5.15-(1.40 + 10 bonus seconds) clocks in at 3.25 in 15 kilometres. Even at that point, the chances were not that good but considering the state of Contador, it WAS possible. I still blame Martinelli for that one and to some extend, I honestly also blame Landa. Why wouldnt he just ignore the orders? He would certainly gain much more respect from that since basically everyone would be able to understand him doing that, not to speak of the stage win, possible 2nd overall and the KOM jersey and the little chance of the Maglia Rosa. We obviously dont know about his contract offers and the situation in general and maybe, just maybe, he likes Astana and wants to continue there, hence his extreme loyalty towards the team in this Giro..
All in all, it just leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth and I like both Aru and Landa. Shouldnt end like that after such a good Giro. |
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| Andrew |
Posted on 30-05-2015 17:31
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But what is the point on pulling him back, why not go for the chance, it wouldnt cost astana anything, since Landa was only togeather with a pretty tired guy, who was been in a breakaway all day, he easyly could drop on the last climb |
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 30-05-2015 17:33
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Andrew wrote:
But what is the point on pulling him back, why not go for the chance, it wouldnt cost astana anything, since Landa was only togeather with a pretty tired guy, who was been in a breakaway all day, he easyly could drop on the last climb
Point was to get the stage win and 2nd overall with the more marketable guy, atleast that's what i think... |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 30-05-2015 17:44
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| Shonak |
Posted on 30-05-2015 17:44
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Well, they wanted Aru for Giro all along and they probably promised Landa leadership for Vuelta in return. If he ignores team orders than he may piss of the team too much and he ends up with an empty season schedule for the second part of the season. Not much point in that, especially when you already have two stage wins. Maglia Azzurra will be picked up by him in one of his future Giro endeavors. 
It's a shame but like people said, Aru is more marketable in his home race. Although one have to wonder if someone who makes such a sufferface is marketable to anything bar carnivale masks. 
Edited by Shonak on 30-05-2015 17:45
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| deek12345 |
Posted on 30-05-2015 18:30
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Alakagom wrote:
can you translate please |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 30-05-2015 18:32
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deek12345 wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
can you translate please
He is waiting so he can become maglia nera (last place in GC)
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| deek12345 |
Posted on 30-05-2015 18:35
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ahh thx |
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 30-05-2015 18:44
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Contador won the Giro, although Aru and especially Landa was better in the mountains. Now Contador an excuse for losing big to Froome, Quintana and Nibali in the Tour. |
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