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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 13-04-2014 16:33
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You just wait. Wiggins to be 83 cobbles in 2 years  |
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| ikaros33 |
Posted on 13-04-2014 17:42
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Alakagom wrote:Stybar could be on edge 78/79.
But shouldn't he actually get an even higher value, more than Terpstra, who was far worse than him in on the cobbles in last years Paris-Roubaix and then again this year, and only won because of the tactical situation after the last cobbled section (obviously you still need the legs for that, but thats more about stamina and especially flat [where he should really be among the top 5] than cobbles), the same way as last year, where he was also dropped and then came back on the tarmac to finish third? Stybar on the other hand was the only one capable of following Cancellara and Vanmarcke last year until he was stopped by a spectator and this year again he was easily able to follow them. He might not have the big results, because he got unlucky in Roubaix last year and everything came back together this year and he didn't get as many opportunities in other races as Terpstra, but on the cobbles of Roubaix he was one of the best for two years in a row with no one being able to drop him.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 13-04-2014 17:45
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Well results have to be taken into account, PCM AI doesn't have most amazing logic and Terpstra is unquestionably the rider of the spring. He won two classics and podiumed in others. Tersptra beat Stybar in all the cobbled classics this spring and Stybar only had one good result.
No matter what he should be one of the strongest and definitely third after Cance and Vanmarcke, any other way and he will never get such results in PCM.
While your point makes some sense, there is a line between PCM stats and real life.
Edited by Alakagom on 13-04-2014 17:50
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 13-04-2014 17:46
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Well, Terpstra had a great comeback in the last phase of the race(also before the OPQS & Sky vs group ahead part), so I'm not so sure about that. 79 COB would suit Styby yeah, but he's not better than Terpstra.
Also, putting out a strong attack like this requires a lot of energy. If he really sucked, he wouldn't have that much energy.
Edited by Jesleyh on 13-04-2014 17:47
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 13-04-2014 17:57
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Upping Terpstra's flat and stamina would be more realistic then upping his cobble stat in my opinion.
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 13-04-2014 18:00
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Ollfardh wrote:
Upping Terpstra's flat and stamina would be more realistic then upping his cobble stat in my opinion.
I totally agree with ikaros33 and you here.
Stybar = Terpstra -> COB
Stybar > Terpstra -> SP, ACC
Stybar < Terpstra -> STA, FL, TT, REC...
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 13-04-2014 18:05
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Well, it's PCM, it doesn't work like that 
Both could use a small COB boost, I agree, but Terpstra a COB stat higher, I suppose.
What the heck has TT & REC to do with it, btw.
Also, keep in mind that Terpstra was the strongest OPQS cobbler in De Ronde as well.
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| Aleakez |
Posted on 13-04-2014 18:05
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Hushovd showed he is as good as old days, he deserves and upgrade, ashame that he most likely deserves a stamina downgrade tho
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| MartijnVDD |
Posted on 13-04-2014 18:51
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I think Hushovd deserves 76 in cobbles, as well as Devolder.
Hushovd's hill stat should be decreased though. He's quite fat, imo.
Edited by MartijnVDD on 13-04-2014 18:52
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| Selwink |
Posted on 14-04-2014 07:52
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What do you think about Van Emden and Tankink? I thought about 74 for both, or something like that?
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 14-04-2014 09:12
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That's what Alak thought as well
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 14-04-2014 14:01
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cobbles stats
Cancellara 81
Vanmarcke 81
Terpstra 80
Boonen 80
Sagan - 79
Degenkolb - 79
Stybar 79
Geraint Thomas - 79
Van Avermaet 79
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 14-04-2014 14:06
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I would like to know what Wiggins, Demare, De Backer, Gaudin and Martinez will have please.
Wiggins won't be amazing, but he has been solid on cobbles in the past and then did this in Roubaix.
Demare i find hard to stat myself, especially when comparing him to Degenkolb, Bouhanni and Kristoff who i view as around the same overall talent level.
De Backer was awesome in Roubaix.
Gaudin didn't have a great final result in Roubaix, but was very active and was ok throughout the classics season.
Martinez surprised me in Roubaix and was with the serious groups for quite a long time. He's come on some good steps this year with Europcar
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| atlanta |
Posted on 15-04-2014 05:33
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Guess i was right about Contador Jesleyh. He deserves a big boost |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 15-04-2014 06:17
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@Atlanta
Conta has had a +1 MO & +1 HI.
@TMM
I'll look them up, but I think:
Wiggo 77
Gaudin 76(or 77)
Demare around 73/74
De Backer 75
Martinez 72
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| MartijnVDD |
Posted on 15-04-2014 09:22
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Doesn't Démare have 75 right now? I don't think he should be decreased... |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 15-04-2014 17:09
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Yeah, Demare was at 76, my mistake
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| xXMajesticoXxx |
Posted on 20-04-2014 15:57
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Hello,
i would actually up Gilberts Hill to 81.
And i also believe that Kwiatkowski deserves 79 on hill and 74/75 on sprint after seeing him sprinting for victory in a bunch sprint in the TDF 2013 and lately in Pais Vasco.
Gerrans/Valverde should be 80 on hill
1.Gilbert 81
2.Rodri 81
3.Gerrans/Valverde 80
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 20-04-2014 15:58
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I don't think any changes should be made yet without knowing what happens the rest of the week, especially with Purito crashing out, but it's definitely looking towards something like that (With a lot of others in there somewhere too)
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 20-04-2014 15:59
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If nothing, Gilbert deserves absolutely the best ACC stat.
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