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Giro d'Italia 2013 - Week 3
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| ruben |
Posted on 26-05-2013 10:04
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Spilak23 wrote:
The Colombians should unite next year
And to think the best Colombian wasn't even here. (quintana)
Quintana could have challenged Nibali uphill, but would lose ultimately in the time trial(s) |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 26-05-2013 10:09
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ruben wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
The Colombians should unite next year
And to think the best Colombian wasn't even here. (quintana)
Quintana could have challenged Nibali uphill, but would lose ultimately in the time trial(s)
Challenged, yeah, but I (still) don't think that Quintana is at Nibali's level on climbing. He's a bit close, yeah, but not yet on Nibbles' level. It's hard to estimate what is Nibali's level though, that would be easier if he would start in the TdF, along with Froome, Contador and also Quintana(?).
Edited by Jesleyh on 26-05-2013 10:09
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 26-05-2013 10:26
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His ascent times, or his SRM datas (they were published for in Trentino), should give you a hint of where he's at in terms of climbing.
I don't know for the Giro, but in Trentino already he showed climbing skills that could match any recent GT winner (around 6,2 W/kg during 35-40 minutes). |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 26-05-2013 10:28
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Smowz wrote:
Interesting the Cyclingnews article where Evans claims he lost second place due to a mechanical. Thought it was strange how he completely blew up, though he was struggling to hold Uran for sure.
Mind you Evans' Mechanical problem is down to him being born on 14th February 1977. Did he have this mechanical problem in the TT too?
Evans was honest about his MTT where he said that he didn't have the legs, Uran had the gap yesterday but Evans does let a gap go then work his way back. He was peddling a higher gear to the others so I don't doubt the story about a mechanical fault, Di2 systems are not having a good year so far. I personally think Uran still would have beaten Evans for 2nd on the podium anyway
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 26-05-2013 10:34
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I thought it was only Campy who'd been struggling with their electronic shifting (Valverde, Coquard, Wiggins, etc.).
I'm sort of glad that Shimano struggle too with their Di2.  But it's the first time I hear it about them. |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 26-05-2013 10:36
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Tjoertszc wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
Iguwell wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
Tjoertszc wrote:
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Surely the most convincing GT winner is one who looked like the strongest in the field, who looked unbeatable in any situation. On exactly none of the mountain stages did Wiggins look the strongest - he didn't convince me that Froome couldn't have dropped him whenever he so wished.
Cycling is a team sport. Froome would never have been allowed to do so. Nibali never threatened Wiggins last year - the team behind him was just too unbelievably strong.  You knew Wiggins had won just from the start.
You're right, he wasn't allowed to, but the point is. His own team-mate looked a lot better than him and probably could have won the tour last year by 10min+. So it wasn't convincing in that sense.
Exactly. Just because you knew he was gonna win didn't mean you were convinced he was the best candidate for it.
This was never the topic of diskussion. We discussed who had the most convincing win. Who was the best candidate didn't matter as the race showed a clear hierarchy from the start of the TDF.
Which means I wasn't convinced by the win (which is quite obviously the topic of diskussion). The most convincing win, as I detailed very clearly earlier, is the rider who looks most convincing as a winner. And Wiggins didn't do that as he got dropped by his own team-mate.
Exactly, his own team mate. Don't consider Froome in your argument, since it's pointless. You already knew at that point that he had won and didn't sat there and thought "Froome might take this from Wiggins". He could have lost even more time, but you were still certain that Wiggins was the winner right from the sport.
No matter how boring and dubious Wiggins' win was - it was certainly very convincing. With the TT in hand that suited him perfectly, you even knew he was going to win right as the profile was released.
The Tour'12 was tailormade to give Wiggins the win to increase to increase the popularity of cycling on the British Isles. No corruption implied - just pure financials on the behalf of ASO.
Gone through this before - I completely disagree with your definition of convincing. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 26-05-2013 10:59
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Jesleyh wrote:
ruben wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
The Colombians should unite next year
And to think the best Colombian wasn't even here. (quintana)
Quintana could have challenged Nibali uphill, but would lose ultimately in the time trial(s)
Challenged, yeah, but I (still) don't think that Quintana is at Nibali's level on climbing. He's a bit close, yeah, but not yet on Nibbles' level. It's hard to estimate what is Nibali's level though, that would be easier if he would start in the TdF, along with Froome, Contador and also Quintana(?).
I think you underestimate Quintana's pure climbing abilities. I doubt if even Froome can drop him on a long climb. We'll see in the Tour I guess |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 26-05-2013 11:13
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ruben wrote:
I think you underestimate Quintana's pure climbing abilities. I doubt if even Froome can drop him on a long climb. We'll see in the Tour I guess
Hopefully, though there's a big risk he might be forced to pace Valverde when he gets dropped on the climbs.
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| Iguwell |
Posted on 26-05-2013 11:16
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Gone through this before - I completely disagree with your definition of convincing.
It's not my fault you confuse the term convincing with the term ability. You never had to be the best to get a convincing win if something was certain. This was a waste of time. |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 26-05-2013 11:24
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Iguwell wrote:
Gone through this before - I completely disagree with your definition of convincing.
It's not my fault you confuse the term convincing with the term ability. You never had to be the best to get a convincing win if something was certain. This was a waste of time.
Whatever. |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 26-05-2013 11:26
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
ruben wrote:
I think you underestimate Quintana's pure climbing abilities. I doubt if even Froome can drop him on a long climb. We'll see in the Tour I guess
Hopefully, though there's a big risk he might be forced to pace Valverde when he gets dropped on the climbs.
Quintana might get a free role. That task is probably going to be appointed to Rui Costa. |
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| fickman |
Posted on 26-05-2013 14:31
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WTF Eurosport Germany is not going to show Giro live today at all  |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 26-05-2013 14:37
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fickman wrote:
WTF Eurosport Germany is not going to show Giro live today at all
Neither is Bein Sport here in US. They have for every single stage. WTF?
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 26-05-2013 14:38
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Face it, only the 300 last metres will be of any interest.
Can't you watch it on internet through Rai Tre (Rai 3) international ? |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 26-05-2013 14:42
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Anyone watching Giro right now over Tour of Belgium queen stage is mad. Lots of attacking racing.
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I've watched bit of Giro though and have to say - please employ Dan Lloyd as a commentator full time, much better than Quigley.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 26-05-2013 14:45
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Well, Universal sports has Tour of Belgium. That's pretty good right now. 
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| Kritzo |
Posted on 26-05-2013 14:48
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ruben wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
The Colombians should unite next year
And to think the best Colombian wasn't even here. (quintana)
Quintana could have challenged Nibali uphill, but would lose ultimately in the time trial(s)
That is not true. I don't know how, but Quintana won the Tour of Basque Country on the last TT. He was even better than Porte on the time trials, so I think that Quintana might have been a serious competitor for Nibali. Then again, it's only theoretical.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 26-05-2013 14:49
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That TT was very hilly, very technical and it rained.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 26-05-2013 14:49
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Kritzo wrote:
ruben wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
The Colombians should unite next year
And to think the best Colombian wasn't even here. (quintana)
Quintana could have challenged Nibali uphill, but would lose ultimately in the time trial(s)
That is not true. I don't know how, but Quintana won the Tour of Basque Country on the last TT. He was even better than Porte on the time trials, so I think that Quintana might have been a serious competitor for Nibali. Then again, it's only theoretical.
It was a hilly TT though
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Edited by Jesleyh on 26-05-2013 14:50
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 26-05-2013 14:50
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Kritzo wrote:
ruben wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
The Colombians should unite next year
And to think the best Colombian wasn't even here. (quintana)
Quintana could have challenged Nibali uphill, but would lose ultimately in the time trial(s)
That is not true. I don't know how, but Quintana won the Tour of Basque Country on the last TT. He was even better than Porte on the time trials, so I think that Quintana might have been a serious competitor for Nibali. Then again, it's only theoretical.
Flat TT -//- Technical, Wet, Hilly TT
Purito came Top 10 in similar TT last year in Tour of Basque, doesn't say much about his great ability in TT
However, Quintana is more than decent in TT's I'd say, and has lots to improve, he will only get better as well if he practices.
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