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| SweatyViking |
Posted on 17-07-2012 20:46
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If one team is doping, that's evidence that there is doping at the Tour... It's like a rolling snowball. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 17-07-2012 20:46
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The clean English-speaking teams against the Southern-European cheating teams. That's how they're connected. Well, at least in Wiggo and McQuaid's brains. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 17-07-2012 20:49
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SweatyViking wrote:
If one team is doping, that's evidence that there is doping at the Tour... It's like a rolling snowball.
so why must it be sky, and not say cofidis or bmc or garmin or ag2r or lotto or....
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 17-07-2012 20:51
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TheManxMissile wrote:
SweatyViking wrote:
If one team is doping, that's evidence that there is doping at the Tour... It's like a rolling snowball.
so why must it be sky, and not say cofidis or bmc or garmin or ag2r or lotto or....
We don't know if Sky is doping or not. There's only suspicious. Now with Schleck positive, 1st, RSNT is gonna get destroyed and the suspicous will grow. |
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| Andreas93 |
Posted on 17-07-2012 20:56
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The Sky bus is at Death Star(quote David Millar), no way you find any trace of doping.
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| CLURPR |
Posted on 17-07-2012 20:59
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Andreas93 wrote:
The Sky bus is at Death Star(quote David Millar), no way you find any trace of doping.
Until you find the hole which can blow it all up  |
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| SweatyViking |
Posted on 17-07-2012 21:35
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TheManxMissile wrote:
SweatyViking wrote:
If one team is doping, that's evidence that there is doping at the Tour... It's like a rolling snowball.
so why must it be sky, and not say cofidis or bmc or garmin or ag2r or lotto or....
It could even be Saur or Argos!
Seriously, there is something called probability. |
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| boork |
Posted on 17-07-2012 22:06
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Noone is saying other teams are clean. Just that Sky is top of the list of suspicious teams right now and since they are dominating the biggest race of the year are also the most relevant. |
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| pcm2009fan |
Posted on 17-07-2012 22:21
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SweatyViking wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
SweatyViking wrote:
If one team is doping, that's evidence that there is doping at the Tour... It's like a rolling snowball.
so why must it be sky, and not say cofidis or bmc or garmin or ag2r or lotto or....
It could even be Saur or Argos!
Seriously, there is something called probability.
Eww I hate probablities! Especially subjective probabilities.
At the end of the day no matter whether there's a 20% or 95% chance of something, there is a always a definite 100% instance/answer 
Piece together the genuine pieces of the puzzle if you want to and find a (reasonably) definitive answer, or you can speculate your life away and down the drain if you insist
Edited by pcm2009fan on 17-07-2012 22:22
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| Movistar |
Posted on 17-07-2012 22:27
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To see what Lance and Bruyneel did for so many years and were never "caught" the argument you are clean until pissing dirty doesnt work which is the biggest problem.
Because of the history of the sport and the insane toll it puts on riders bodies there will never be a day when all riders can prove they are clean.
Even if we see full blood values for every rider, with the human body and the constant advances in doping we will never really know.
I honestly think the riding and the tour was better when the riders were totally doped up so fuck it. Let them all do it and lets have superhuman feats on the mountains like we saw from Lance. Can anyone say they were not totally excited watching guys like Lance and Pantani just blowing up a mountain?
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| cio93 |
Posted on 17-07-2012 22:30
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pcm2009fan wrote:
At the end of the day no matter whether there's a 20% or 95% chance of something, there is a always a definite 100% instance/answer
Congratulations, you got the basic principle of quantum mechanics 
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 17-07-2012 22:33
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Movistar wrote:
I honestly think the riding and the tour was better when the riders were totally doped up so fuck it. Let them all do it and lets have superhuman feats on the mountains like we saw from Lance. Can anyone say they were not totally excited watching guys like Lance and Pantani just blowing up a mountain?
This is just stupid. Sport in general should be good for you health..not burning it out.
Just watch wresting..if you want more action
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 17-07-2012 22:34
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Movistar wrote:
To see what Lance and Bruyneel did for so many years and were never "caught" the argument you are clean until pissing dirty doesnt work which is the biggest problem.
Because of the history of the sport and the insane toll it puts on riders bodies there will never be a day when all riders can prove they are clean.
Even if we see full blood values for every rider, with the human body and the constant advances in doping we will never really know.
I honestly think the riding and the tour was better when the riders were totally doped up so fuck it. Let them all do it and lets have superhuman feats on the mountains like we saw from Lance. Can anyone say they were not totally excited watching guys like Lance and Pantani just blowing up a mountain? Yeah, I loved the Postal train so much. Big guys dropping actual climbers in mountains and setting up Lance for a massive crush of the opposition on the first mountain finish. That was so great and entertaining. *yawn*
Also, seeing the heavy Indurain slaughtering climbers in the mountains was... erm... great ? *yawns again*
Pantani was an actual climber, yeah, he belonged the mountains, so it was less shocking, visually. Still, climbing Alpe d'Huez like a moped didn't really look natural. Think nowadays' best riders would finish like 5 minutes behind him. And, it still looks like they're (much less heavily) doped.
Nah, that time is legendary, but it was boring, with usually no race before the last climb, especially in Armstrong's era, and then all G.C. favourites pacing up the climb as fast as they could.
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| pcm2009fan |
Posted on 17-07-2012 22:44
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Movistar wrote:
To see what Lance and Bruyneel did for so many years and were never "caught" the argument you are clean until pissing dirty doesnt work which is the biggest problem.
Of course. I think that evidence gets to a point where you can fairly confidently take a stance for/against a rider...
Even if we see full blood values for every rider, with the human body and the constant advances in doping we will never really know.
But yeah you'd be stupid to point blank accept figures in such complex and variable circumstances, hence the reason why I reckon we can only reach a "(reasonably) definitive answer"
I honestly think the riding and the tour was better when the riders were totally doped up so fuck it. Let them all do it and lets have superhuman feats on the mountains like we saw from Lance. Can anyone say they were not totally excited watching guys like Lance and Pantani just blowing up a mountain?
From a spectators point of view I'm defo. not against you here. But I reckon we should always at least aim towards the ideal from any situation, and naturally this encompasses preserving a relative degree of sporting integrity.
But then again, purely from a spectators point of view, how much/ how well this is done is thankfully not something that needs to impede our enjoyment of the sport.
Although this thread can stand as evidence that the topic still manages to get a lot of people worked over nonetheless! |
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| Movistar |
Posted on 18-07-2012 02:07
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From a spectators point of view I'm defo. not against you here. But I reckon we should always at least aim towards the ideal from any situation, and naturally this encompasses preserving a relative degree of sporting integrity.
But then again, purely from a spectators point of view, how much/ how well this is done is thankfully not something that needs to impede our enjoyment of the sport.
Although this thread can stand as evidence that the topic still manages to get a lot of people worked over nonetheless!
The question I then ask is, are the GTs honestly to hard for a natural human to compete and still create an exciting race? |
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| Movistar |
Posted on 18-07-2012 02:12
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Yeah, I loved the Postal train so much. Big guys dropping actual climbers in mountains and setting up Lance for a massive crush of the opposition on the first mountain finish. That was so great and entertaining. *yawn*
Also, seeing the heavy Indurain slaughtering climbers in the mountains was... erm... great ? *yawns again*
Pantani was an actual climber, yeah, he belonged the mountains, so it was less shocking, visually. Still, climbing Alpe d'Huez like a moped didn't really look natural. Think nowadays' best riders would finish like 5 minutes behind him. And, it still looks like they're (much less heavily) doped.
Nah, that time is legendary, but it was boring, with usually no race before the last climb, especially in Armstrong's era, and then all G.C. favourites pacing up the climb as fast as they could.
Ya because Armstrong had so many team members on Ventoux when he chased down Pantani?
So you are telling me seeing guys explode on the mountains from 10k out is not as exciting as viewer than seeing everyone wait until 1k or 2k to even try something. Guys like Pantani blew up the race so they could overcome their TT problems which made for very exciting riding this just does not happen today. |
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 18-07-2012 04:16
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Movistar wrote:
To see what Lance and Bruyneel did for so many years and were never "caught" the argument you are clean until pissing dirty doesnt work which is the biggest problem.
Because of the history of the sport and the insane toll it puts on riders bodies there will never be a day when all riders can prove they are clean.
Even if we see full blood values for every rider, with the human body and the constant advances in doping we will never really know.
I honestly think the riding and the tour was better when the riders were totally doped up so fuck it. Let them all do it and lets have superhuman feats on the mountains like we saw from Lance. Can anyone say they were not totally excited watching guys like Lance and Pantani just blowing up a mountain?
The problem with this thread is that some people completely forget about the basic principals of justice-system.
NO ONE and i can say this again NO ONE is presumed guilty, they are ALWAYS presumed innocent until proven guilty, its not that other way around. And this also goes for cycling
So despite some peoples clever remarks in the thread, Lance Armstrong and Team SKY are clean as new fallen snow.
Until they are either found positive.
Though the problem for Armstrong is apparently USADA is on a vendetta against him and do not care about evidence and want to convict him alone on testimony from doped riders who are only out to save their own skin. |
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 18-07-2012 04:23
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Jacdk wrote:
The problem with this thread is that some people completely forget about the basic principals of justice-system.
NO ONE and i can say this again NO ONE is presumed guilty, they are ALWAYS presumed innocent until proven guilty, its not that other way around. And this also goes for cycling
So despite some peoples clever remarks in the thread, Lance Armstrong and Team SKY are clean as new fallen snow.
Until they are either found positive.
Though the problem for Armstrong is apparently USADA is on a vendetta against him and do not care about evidence and want to convict him alone on testimony from doped riders who are only out to save their own skin.
Yes, that's how the justice-system works, and that's why Team Sky doesn't need to go on court prove their innocence. Legally, they're clean just like Armstrong, but this doesn't change a thing in the fact we can be suspicious after all the facts going around Team Sky and (some of) their riders massive improvement.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 18-07-2012 06:14
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Alakagom wrote:
Miguel98 wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Miguel98 wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
So, let's come back to Sky.
Any idea if one of their two G.C. leader will be going to the Vuelta this season ?
People are talking about, Froome, but apart from Henao and Urán, nothing is confirmed yet.
Well I am kinda sure Swift is going.
And Henao ? I am not 100% sure on him. In his first season in Europe doing 2 GT's might be too much. We'll know soon though.
Yeah, but the Portuguese commentators in Eurosport keep saying that Froome, Henao and Urán are gonna be in the Vuelta. Altough they don't talk about the possibility of Sky doping.
I kinda thought they wouldn't, it's bad to talk about doping on TV ( even more when there's no scientific evidence for it ) and damaging cycling reputation even more....
What I meant though, is that Sky's Vuelta squad should be rather discussed in News in July or something like that. This thread is supposed to be doping only
Yeah, hypocratical closing of the eyes is much better, czech tv is doing the same. This way doping will be tolerated forever...
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 18-07-2012 06:18
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Movistar wrote:
I honestly think the riding and the tour was better when the riders were totally doped up so fuck it. Let them all do it and lets have superhuman feats on the mountains like we saw from Lance. Can anyone say they were not totally excited watching guys like Lance and Pantani just blowing up a mountain?
This is just stupid. Sport in general should be good for you health..not burning it out.
Just watch wresting..if you want more action
Well, not a single proffesional sport is good for your health.Just a quick point, i dont agree with let them dope 
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 18-07-2012 06:18
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