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| matt17br |
Posted on 11-09-2014 13:14
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Shonak wrote:
Italy certainly isn't some black sheep. The higher the number of (junior) riders, the more likely it is that some of them dope. As far as I can tell, Italy still holds most professional riders in peloton, and surely there's a huge number of junior talents as well. Besides, isn't Italy a county with some of the most strict doping controls?
Which reminds me, cycling fans like to say that cycling has stricter and more frequent controls compared to other sports. This seems to hold true for various countries as well within cycling. No reason to bash Italian committes, who seem to be at least doing their job, when they catch dopers on a frequent basis. Contrary to some other nations it seems.
Basically quoting everything.
Pantani was a great example of this. The italian justice persecuted him for a long time. We easily shift from an extreme to another here... And it is sometimes frustrating.
I'm fairly sure that Pantani won't ever been persecuted in that way if he was f.e. Spanish.
We don't appreciate champions, but if they do something worng, well, we throw shit on them.
Brambilla was summoned by an Italian court for what is happened at the vuelta and probably will be sanctioned.
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Posted on 11-12-2025 13:38
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| Inferio |
Posted on 11-09-2014 18:37
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felix_29 wrote:
Inferio wrote:
Well, the situation I know best is Czech and Slovak Republic. Second hand information from my aboard racing mates is that at least Poland, Germany and Italy are quite similar.
The substance topic is really generally much over the line to talk in the peloton. Personally, as an average performing rider, I have never been offered anything. Specifically, I've known a few riders were using testosterone (exceptionally popular amongst track riders). But in most cases I don't know specific substance (e.g. my doctor who was helping some guys with this always talks about "shit", of course never revealing what he is applying or to whom). So what is most popular amongst junior peloton - that I'm not really able to answer.
Did not expect to get into this debate, I just thought big part of us raced as juniors and are aware that this is the world we live in.
Mentioning Germany with Italy is hilarious. I'm not saying there's no doping among the German juniors, but i'm confident that the number is quite small. I've been racing with with some of the top riders and had teammates who did races for as part of the national team and they (=teammates) all said that the top German riders were clean.
Among Dutch riders, the use of asthma spray was common, doesn't mean they were doping, though. Italians had a bad reputation and Russians were rumoured to have a good "medical" support, too.
I don't want to be misunderstood. One or two of my friends talking what they know about situation in Germany is what I know, I didn't really wanted to say the level is similar to Italy. I can't compare it, only very few people can, because it's a topic nobody wants talk about and nobody does. Only the most stupid rider would share information about his programme with anyone but his doctor, trainer and closest team-mates.
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 11-09-2014 18:40
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Inferio wrote:
Only the most stupid rider would share information about his programme with anyone but his doctor, trainer and closest team-mates.
One of the most accurate sentences I've read on this forum. People here seem to believe in what riders say about doping in news or in interviews. It's all BS.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 11-09-2014 18:48
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Yup, that's a very good point. 90's standard? I can't believe that. But as clean as the media tries it make it? Not at all. |
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| jacobjc88 |
Posted on 11-09-2014 19:34
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matt17br wrote:
Why all the things that I hear of the Italy are always shit? 
What a fucking reputation 
I can remember the exact thing, but once Totti said something like:
"It is only 99 % of the Italians the give the rest a bad reputation"
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 12-09-2014 08:16
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Alakagom wrote:
Valentin Iglinskiy tested positive for EPO at Eneco Tour 2014. Already admitted he took it by himself without any involvement from the team.
Will this suddenly and magically decrease performance of Maxim Iglinsky. Like it happened with Schleck brothers when Frank was tested positive |
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 12-09-2014 09:08
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Nin1388 wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Valentin Iglinskiy tested positive for EPO at Eneco Tour 2014. Already admitted he took it by himself without any involvement from the team.
Will this suddenly and magically decrease performance of Maxim Iglinsky. Like it happened with Schleck brothers when Frank was tested positive
I wouldn't be too surprised. |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 12-09-2014 09:51
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But it's not like Maxim has done anything remotely noteworthy or suspicious since L-B-L 2012, so Maxim non-performing in future can't really be interpreted as a sign in my opinion since he's non-performing for two years now.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| roturn |
Posted on 12-09-2014 09:57
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That was my thinking as well. He clearly "regressed" since LBL and will most likely continue like this becoming a domestique only. |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 12-09-2014 10:06
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Today Italy will release its 16 riders' selection for Ponferrada!
Spoiler Probably:
Nibali
Aru
De marchi
Caruso G.
Caruso D.
Quinziato
Bennati
Trentin
Visconti
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Colbrelli
Pozzato
Nizzolo
Vanotti
Zardini/Cataldo
Gasparotto/Cataldo
Rabottini/Cataldo
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 12-09-2014 10:22
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I remember how we were discussing those Iglinskiy/Gasparotto results in 2012, that we needed to wait a few years to see how credible they would be 
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| matt17br |
Posted on 12-09-2014 12:19
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Italy preselection! Here we go!
Fabio Aru (Astana), Daniele Bennati (Tinkoff-Saxo), Damiano Caruso (Cannondale), Giampaolo Caruso (Katusha), Sonny Colbrelli (Bardiani-CSF), Alessandro De Marchi (Cannondale), Enrico Gasparotto (Astana), Vincenzo Nibali (Astana), Giacomo Nizzolo (Trek Factory Racing), Filippo Pozzato (Lampre-Merida), Manuel Quinziato (BMC), Matteo Rabottini (Neri-Alé), Matteo Trentin (OmegaPharma-QuickStep), Alessandro Vanotti (Astana), Giovanni Visconti (Movistar) and Edoardo Zardini (Bardiani-CSF).
I guessed them all 
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 12-09-2014 17:37
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DOPING POSITIVES GALORE
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 12-09-2014 17:47
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Zardini inc. |
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| Dusen |
Posted on 12-09-2014 17:51
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Riis123 wrote:
Zardini inc.
My thoughts as well. |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 12-09-2014 18:49
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Miguel98 wrote:
DOPING POSITIVES GALORE
Fuck it -.-
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 12-09-2014 19:00
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Miguel98 wrote:
DOPING POSITIVES GALORE
Casting my mind back to the 2012 Giro stage where he beat Purito on an uphill sprint after being in the break all day
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| CountArach |
Posted on 12-09-2014 23:47
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Only a month after his positive he is provisionally suspended. That's actually quite a good quick turnover. Chapeau UCI.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 13-09-2014 00:07
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Do people still fall for EPO?
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| CountArach |
Posted on 13-09-2014 00:18
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cio93 wrote:
Do people still fall for EPO?
That was my first thought. It is such an amateur mistake.
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