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| ruben |
Posted on 24-07-2013 18:26
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the country ranking is weird, but it's not like Belgium would have had any advantage with or without meersman
In the CQ ranking of 2013, they are only 9th. Simply not a good year for the Belgians. Too many top riders having a bad season
1. (1) Esp Spain Europe Riders 7038
2. (6) Gbr Great Britain Europe Riders 6347
3. (2) Ita Italy Europe Riders 6185
4. (4) Ger Germany Europe Riders 5503
5. (5) Fra France Europe Riders 5351
6. (10) Col Colombia America Riders 5008
7. (8) Ned Netherlands Europe Riders 4772
8. (7) Aus Australia Oceania Riders 4707
9. (3) Bel Belgium Europe Riders 4515
10. (9) Usa United States America Riders 3343
11. (12) Sui Switzerland Europe Riders 3126
12. (20) Svk Slovakia Europe Riders 2747
13. (17) Pol Poland Europe Riders 2389
14. (11) Nor Norway Europe Riders 2251
15. (14) Slo Slovenia Europe Riders 2217 |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 24-07-2013 18:28
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My main point was that stage wins give much too little points compared to GC's
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| BritPCMFan |
Posted on 24-07-2013 19:38
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Spilak23 wrote:
The points system really sucks.
Meersman (the best Belgian this season) his points don't even count for our Country points. So he isn't one of our top 5 points scorers
Same for Argos and Kittel being so low on the rankings
fosforgasXIII wrote:
The latest standings after le Tour de France. I fear Froome on #1 is there to stay.
Nibali has Pologne, Vuelta and Lombardia were he is top favourite so think he will overtake him
How does that work, the country thing. I knew that it was only top 5 riders from each country, which makes sense otherwise you could potentially end up with top riders missing out on WCs because some countries have a ton of pretty good ones.
Why doesn't Meersman count for Belgium if his the top point scorer for Belgium? My first two thoughts would be is he WT (OPQ so yes). Then, maybe you only score points for country if you team is the same nationality (I'm sure thats wrong since there aren't any columbian WT teams, but Omega are Belgian so its not that either.)
Also, I don't think its wrapped up for Froome. Nibali is a threat, but so is Purito. His right up there again, going to ride the Vuelta too so will prolly pick up nice points for a podium + some stage wins.
I don't think Sagan will get it. He could do Gilbert style but I doubt it, he needs a good rest I think. His was great at the Tour, but he wasn't the same as early season and hasn't had a proper break after that massively long campaign. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 24-07-2013 19:42
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BritPCMFan wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
The points system really sucks.
Meersman (the best Belgian this season) his points don't even count for our Country points. So he isn't one of our top 5 points scorers
Same for Argos and Kittel being so low on the rankings
fosforgasXIII wrote:
The latest standings after le Tour de France. I fear Froome on #1 is there to stay.
Nibali has Pologne, Vuelta and Lombardia were he is top favourite so think he will overtake him
How does that work, the country thing. I knew that it was only top 5 riders from each country, which makes sense otherwise you could potentially end up with top riders missing out on WCs because some countries have a ton of pretty good ones.
Why doesn't Meersman count for Belgium if his the top point scorer for Belgium? My first two thoughts would be is he WT (OPQ so yes). Then, maybe you only score points for country if you team is the same nationality (I'm sure thats wrong since there aren't any columbian WT teams, but Omega are Belgian so its not that either.)
Meersman is not our best point scorer but has had the best season so far winning stages in Catalunya and Romandie + coming very close in Dauphine.
4 WT stage wins plus the points jersey in the Dauphine is worth less than Hermans finishing 5th in Down Under.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 24-07-2013 19:42
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ruben wrote:
the country ranking is weird, but it's not like Belgium would have had any advantage with or without meersman
In the CQ ranking of 2013, they are only 9th. Simply not a good year for the Belgians. Too many top riders having a bad season
1. (1) Esp Spain Europe Riders 7038
2. (6) Gbr Great Britain Europe Riders 6347
3. (2) Ita Italy Europe Riders 6185
4. (4) Ger Germany Europe Riders 5503
5. (5) Fra France Europe Riders 5351
6. (10) Col Colombia America Riders 5008
7. (8) Ned Netherlands Europe Riders 4772
8. (7) Aus Australia Oceania Riders 4707
9. (3) Bel Belgium Europe Riders 4515
10. (9) Usa United States America Riders 3343
11. (12) Sui Switzerland Europe Riders 3126
12. (20) Svk Slovakia Europe Riders 2747
13. (17) Pol Poland Europe Riders 2389
14. (11) Nor Norway Europe Riders 2251
15. (14) Slo Slovenia Europe Riders 2217
Ridiculous to see Germany in 4th while not even in the Top 15 in the ranking that counts...
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| ruben |
Posted on 24-07-2013 20:02
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Yep it's ridicolously unfair to sprinters |
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| BritPCMFan |
Posted on 24-07-2013 21:16
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Maybe instead of more points to stage wins (which presumable there is some silly reason they don't want to up them), maybe you could give WT points for final Green/Polka (and their equivalents) placings. IIRC you don't get any points for those jerseys ATM. |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 24-07-2013 21:17
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I completely agree with that. Would give more meaning to those two jerseys outside the 3 GT's, especially the KoM one.
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 25-07-2013 00:55
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I can see why they pich the best 5 for the country ranking to protect smaller cycling nations, but I don't get it why they do this with the team ranking as well. All the teams have approximatly the same amount of riders, so yeah if Sky or Movistar are better than Vacansoleil or Euskaltel, let them have more points.
And there definitely should be more points for stages, it's unfair for sprinters or sprinter teams like Lotto or Argos (or nations like Germany). Most WT races are already sprinter unfriendly (Catalunya, Basque, Romandie etc.), so let them have more points in the races they can score. |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 25-07-2013 02:01
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fosforgasXIII wrote:
I can see why they pich the best 5 for the country ranking to protect smaller cycling nations, but I don't get it why they do this with the team ranking as well. All the teams have approximatly the same amount of riders, so yeah if Sky or Movistar are better than Vacansoleil or Euskaltel, let them have more points.
And there definitely should be more points for stages, it's unfair for sprinters or sprinter teams like Lotto or Argos (or nations like Germany). Most WT races are already sprinter unfriendly (Catalunya, Basque, Romandie etc.), so let them have more points in the races they can score.
It's so teams don't have to sell their domestiques for points. And so domestiques are happy giving up their own chances, knowing that they will still have a job next year.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 25-07-2013 09:53
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I think it's perfectly normal that stage wins give far less points than GCs, they are far less important after all. I wouldn't mind if they gave points for the secondary classifications though, as long as they were equivalent to roughly 1/2 stage wins in that race.
For me the biggest problem with the qualification system for the worlds is that, for some mysterious reason, only races from January to August count, so cyclists from some country might as well win Vuelta, both Canadian races and Lombardia, and that would be worth 0 points. Ridiculous.
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| Lachi |
Posted on 25-07-2013 10:29
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ruben wrote:
Yep it's ridicolously unfair to sprinters
I thought it is because MSR does not count because Ciolek is not PT. |
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 27-08-2013 14:18
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Standings after San Sebastian, Pologne, Eneco and Vattenfall.
individual ranking:
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| krisa |
Posted on 27-08-2013 14:21
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two weeks was Belgium not in the top ten it cost us two places at the world champ. UCI must change their rules
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 27-08-2013 14:29
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Colombia still hanging on to 2nd 
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