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Expansion Pack: Stat Discussion
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 31-03-2013 20:26
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Well obviously there will be cobbled updates after Robuaix. I already did some, but Robuaix means end of cobbled classics so I can go through all of them and pickout riders that need increases and others that should decrease. Then after Ardennes, the hilly stats.
And after that with my update as of March 2013 of the PCT teams, we might release stat update after that. We'll see.
Edited by Alakagom on 31-03-2013 20:27
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| SweatyViking |
Posted on 31-03-2013 20:42
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74 RES should also be OK, he is a tough nut, he never cracked in the Tirreno, and kept going and going today in the Flanders. |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 31-03-2013 20:53
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SweatyViking wrote:
74 RES should also be OK, he is a tough nut, he never cracked in the Tirreno, and kept going and going today in the Flanders.
It'd put him as 3rd highest in that stat in the whole DB, alongside a.o. Wiggins, Gilbert, Froome and Purito...
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| SweatyViking |
Posted on 31-03-2013 21:01
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
SweatyViking wrote:
74 RES should also be OK, he is a tough nut, he never cracked in the Tirreno, and kept going and going today in the Flanders.
It'd put him as 3rd highest in that stat in the whole DB, alongside a.o. Wiggins, Gilbert, Froome and Purito...
Didn't consider the fact that the highest stat is 76 
Why is it like that BTW? We would probably see a lot more gaps and smaller groups if the whole scale was used. |
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 31-03-2013 21:13
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SweatyViking wrote:
Why is it like that BTW? We would probably see a lot more gaps and smaller groups if the whole scale was used.
It's in fact the other way around. According to people's experience when the game was released, decent gameplay was only achieved by lowering the resistance stats:
https://pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread....ost_533313
https://pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread....ost_547230
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| MartijnVDD |
Posted on 31-03-2013 22:15
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I've always thought Roelandts' stats were a bit low, but now that he's actually proven himself several times I think it's time to raise them.
He's shown he's worth more than 74 cob, imo. He did pretty well in almost every cobbled race since his bad fall (including Muur stage in Eneco Tour). 75/76 cob?
I'm not sure about his hill stat. He won a hilly stage in Tour Med and finished 8th in Tirreno 30% climb stage, but he shouldn't be too strong. 72/73 hill? |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 31-03-2013 22:35
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A lot of cobblers need updates, but I think the one that needs it most is Stijn Vandenbergh, he was there every race.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| TTspecialist |
Posted on 31-03-2013 22:38
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Flecha to 79COB and Boonen to 80-81COB (from what we've seen in this season) |
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| MartijnVDD |
Posted on 01-04-2013 08:07
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TTspecialist wrote:
Boonen to 80-81COB (from what we've seen in this season)
So if your preparation gets interrupted twice by illness and injury and you're forced to abandon twice due to a fall, you're less able to ride cobbled sections?
I thought he was quite impressive in E3, considering he had bad form, accelerated on the Taaienberg and finished 7th.
I don't remember Cancellara getting a drop in COB after his fall last year.
I agree about Flecha, though. |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 01-04-2013 12:35
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TTspecialist wrote:
Boonen to 80-81COB (from what we've seen in this season)
Don't forget to set Ballan to 50 cobble 
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 01-04-2013 13:35
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why do people insist on talking about the big name riders from the big name races?
I am 1000000% certain Alakagom knows about these riders and races and will give them appropriate stats
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 01-04-2013 13:48
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Okay.
In that case.
Maurits Lammertink(VCD)
I would give him a higher sprint value, and a bit higher hill value.
I explain:
He got 2 Vuelta a Catalunya Top 10's. One on a uphill sprint, one on a more downhill/flat one. I know that the field is weak, but your sprint is better than 60 if you can do that
Also, he got 9th in the Ronde van Drenthe, and 18th(not that bad) in Volta Limburg.
He was pretty good last year too(A lot of U23 races, and 7th in Rund um Köln)
My suggestions are:
FL 62 -> 67
HI 67 -> 70
SP 60 -> 67
ACC 63-> 69
Little bit better energy stats.
Also, I wanted to post stats suggestions for Elmar Reinders, a 20 year old Dutchmen, who's having a pretty good season in CT, but then I realised that he rides for Metec and is probably not in-game
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| SweatyViking |
Posted on 01-04-2013 19:26
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Yoann Bagot should get a FL and HIL boost to around 71 after his performance on today's hilly stage in Pais Vasco...
1 Simon Gerrans (Aus) Orica-GreenEdge 4:06:33
2 Peter Velits (Svk) Omega Pharma-Quick Step
3 Angel Vicioso Arcos (Spa) Katusha
4 Francesco Gavazzi (Ita) Astana Pro Team
5 Jacob Fuglsang (Den) Astana Pro Team
6 Sergio Luis Henao Montoya (Col) Sky Procycling
7 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Team Saxo-Tinkoff
8 Richie Porte (Aus) Sky Procycling
9 Nairo Alexander Quintana Rojas (Col) Movistar Team
10 Pieter Weening (Ned) Orica-GreenEdge
11 Tejay Van Garderen (USA) BMC Racing Team
12 Yoann Bagot (Fra) Cofidis, Solutions Credits
13 José Herrada Lopez (Spa) Movistar Team
14 Simon Spilak (Slo) Katusha
15 Rui Alberto Faria Da Costa (Por) Movistar Team
16 Alexsandr Dyachenko (Kaz) Astana Pro Team
17 Roman Kreuziger (Cze) Team Saxo-Tinkoff |
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| fickman |
Posted on 02-04-2013 16:28
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I notice Taylor Phinney has 74 in Sprint, isnt that to high? I mean Dumoulin has also 74 and im not sure that Phinney is as good as Dumoulin sprinting. |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 02-04-2013 16:32
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fickman wrote:
I notice Taylor Phinney has 74 in Sprint, isnt that to high? I mean Dumoulin has also 74 and im not sure that Phinney is as good as Dumoulin sprinting.
He's better than you might think, but he doesn't show it too often due to targeting classics rather than sprints.
https://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/...ceid=23998
https://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/...ceid=23976
https://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/...ceid=23153
https://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/...ceid=22733
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| fickman |
Posted on 02-04-2013 16:38
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My mistake I was only looking at the CQ Sprint Subranking where Dumoulin has 84 points while Phinney only has 28.
Edited by fickman on 02-04-2013 16:39
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| Smal |
Posted on 06-04-2013 11:43
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Alakagom, I think the potential stats need a massive overhaul altogether. I got 3 or 4 seasons into the game and there are just way too many riders with high stats, especially in MO, compared to the beginning of the game.
July 2015
https://gyazo.com/...fad98c1351
https://gyazo.com/...877ecc6587
https://gyazo.com/...668fa49a67
Jan 2013
https://gyazo.com/...a62ad6219b
(and I think a couple of those like Sánchez and Gesink could come down a point anyway, but that's another matter).
As you can see there's 3 and a half pages in 2015 before you get a rider with as low as 78 MO, which is ridiculous considering 78 MO starts on the second page of riders in the original DB.
It's not only down to that level either, there's loads of riders with higher mountain stats than they'll ever achieve between 73-77 as well.
To solve the problem I've gone through quite a lot of riders and lowered their potential to 3/4/5/6 and kept a few at 7 depending on their age and how promising they look. For example I don't think anyone over 30 years old or so should be having a potential of over 4 really as they aren't going to get much better. I've also gone and given the top couple of hundred climbers a limit to their MO stat so the DB doesn't become unbalanced. When you've got domestiques of a fairly decent age like Cataldo and people of that ilk getting to 78/79 MO the game doesn't play as well.
I also think the age decline option could be used better so some riders start declining earlier so it's better balanced.
I'll happily share the file for you to have a look at it if you can recommend somewhere decent to upload it.
Edited by Smal on 06-04-2013 11:46
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 06-04-2013 13:58
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Alakagom was talking about lowering potentials for current top-riders earlier, so he will look into it
And Gesink won't be lowered, a lot of discussion has already took place about him here.
Maybe he gets lowered if he ruins his Giro(+ TdF)
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| Kentaurus |
Posted on 06-04-2013 18:00
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Smal wrote:
Alakagom, I think the potential stats need a massive overhaul altogether. I got 3 or 4 seasons into the game and there are just way too many riders with high stats, especially in MO, compared to the beginning of the game.
Smal take a look at the XML flies in my sig, this will help some... otherwise the biggest thing you need to do when starting a game is lower the evolution slider down to .2 or .3, this will keep most of the veterans from ever reaching their full potential.
Otherwise you could change the potential of riders down, which wouldn't be too hard to do. In fact I've modified the DB and uploaded it for you. Every rider has 1 less potential.
Edited by Kentaurus on 06-04-2013 18:01
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| Dominik Nerz |
Posted on 07-04-2013 00:31
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Smal you are wasting your time if you think Gesink will ever get stats according to his performances. He could finish 100 at Giro and Tour and still get better stats than some guys in the top 10. If he crashes then he will keep his or even get better ones because we will never know what he could have done excuse and if not and he performs bad then he will keep his stats because hey he is just Robert Gesink. He is in the Database the Grand Tour winner that never was close to win a Grand Tour IRL and never will. |
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