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TdF'13 Stage 15 - Givors to Mont Ventoux (July 14)
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 14-07-2013 17:55
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Setzel wrote:
Can we start a Vuelta thread from now , so we can have what to discuss ? 
Problem is will the interesting riders even come.
Rodgriguez, Valverde, Contador and Sanchez.
Hopefully Sky stays the F.... Away and Froome doesnt want to win that also. |
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 14-07-2013 18:03
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Jacdk wrote:
Setzel wrote:
Can we start a Vuelta thread from now , so we can have what to discuss ?
Problem is will the interesting riders even come.
Rodgriguez, Valverde, Contador and Sanchez.
Hopefully Sky stays the F.... Away and Froome doesnt want to win that also.
I think Sanchez said somewhere he was trying for Giro-Vuelta this year, I cant find it though.
Valverde will do it, and Sky are having Henao as leader
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 14-07-2013 18:05
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Stromeon wrote:
I think Sanchez said somewhere he was trying for Giro-Vuelta this year, I cant find it though.
Valverde will do it, and Sky are having Henao as leader
Ok, so at least Sanchez will be there, now the question is will Contador, Valverde and Rodriguez start to save strength and focus on Vuelta instead.
Because i dont think there is any doubt that Contador will go to Vuelta now. Its just bad when he has a TdF in the legs. |
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Posted on 14-07-2013 18:06
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Stromeon wrote:
Jacdk wrote:
Setzel wrote:
Can we start a Vuelta thread from now , so we can have what to discuss ?
Problem is will the interesting riders even come.
Rodgriguez, Valverde, Contador and Sanchez.
Hopefully Sky stays the F.... Away and Froome doesnt want to win that also.
I think Sanchez said somewhere he was trying for Giro-Vuelta this year, I cant find it though.
Valverde will do it, and Sky are having Henao as leader
Wouldn't be surprised at all if Henao gets bumped to Froomestrong's water bitch for him to try a double. |
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| Rzrassman |
Posted on 14-07-2013 18:10
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Hey anyone thought that if Porte was not allegedly told to back off we might have been looking at another Sky 1-2 n Porte being in 2nd spot 2-2n1/2 mins up on the rest too.But Sky didn't want a repeat of last year n probably knew the audience would significantly reduce if that was the case.
Wouldn't be a bad guess to think they did that on purpose so that supporters would lose interest in the tour.
Maybe Teams need to change the tactics.Stop thinking about the mountains n attack sky on the Hilly stages.Cause it seems on the mountains everyone is 2nd best.
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| NTTHRASH |
Posted on 14-07-2013 18:14
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Froomebot.exe booting...ready to dominate.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 14-07-2013 18:15
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Porte and Kennaugh today and last Sunday were very reminiscent of the US Pystol train in 2005. Nowhere to be seen one day, climbing better than many leaders on the next mountain stage.
We all know how they did that. |
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| Malkael |
Posted on 14-07-2013 18:18
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Orica-GreenEDGE DS Matt White didn't mention anything about the food and drink situation being changed from the usual 20k mark. So thanks for bending the rules Team Sky  . |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 14-07-2013 18:25
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Then you hear talks, not necessarily about Sky, of riders taking crushed cafeine pills and other pain killers at the end of stages.
In 2007 or 2008, we also heard about the magic red powder that rider would put on their fingers before peeing and prevent anything from being found at a control (even what you'd find at a non-doped guy).
Gotta wonder what was in those bags... |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 14-07-2013 18:27
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David Walsh to TV2, telling how there are no doctors or anything - in contrast to Armstrong - putting Froome in connection with doping. "I've been through everything," Walsh said.
A shame watching Walsh putting his own integrity and reputation at stake like that.
Walsh is employed by Rupert Murdoch. He doesn't want to be out of a job.
But yeah, it's sad to see Walsh use the same excuses and dumb arguments he shot down with such objectivity and logic a decade ago in Armstrong
Edited by issoisso on 14-07-2013 18:27
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 14-07-2013 18:27
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This includes 1st attack “@ammattipyoraily: Mont Ventoux (last 6.68 km, 7.87 %, 526 m). Chris Froome: 18:57, VAM 1665 m/h, 5.97 W/kg [DrF].”
Much more to follow as a complicated last climb. SRM would be nice...
Edited by ianrussell on 14-07-2013 18:29
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| juszta |
Posted on 14-07-2013 18:28
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XxMillad24Xx wrote:
Fair enough if he [Andy] doesn't ride well, you can all laugh at me. 
Setzel wrote:
Can we start a Vuelta thread from now , so we can have what to discuss ?
Hopefully the Vuelta this year will match last year's level.  |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 14-07-2013 18:28
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5,9 seems legit, I'd say. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 14-07-2013 18:31
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issoisso wrote:
Stairs wrote:
David Walsh to TV2, telling how there are no doctors or anything - in contrast to Armstrong - putting Froome in connection with doping. "I've been through everything," Walsh said.
A shame watching Walsh putting his own integrity and reputation at stake like that.
Walsh is employed by Rupert Murdoch. He doesn't want to be out of a job.
But yeah, it's sad to see Walsh use the same excuses and dumb arguments he shot down with such objectivity and logic a decade ago in Armstrong
I was a bit saddened too to hear Greg LeMond after the stage. His French which was almost perfect has almost vanished, and he defends Froome as well.
Meh... |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 14-07-2013 18:38
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Ian Butler wrote:
5,9 seems legit, I'd say.
It's an hour of climbing, so no.
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| ruben |
Posted on 14-07-2013 18:49
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Aquarius wrote:
Porte and Kennaugh today and last Sunday were very reminiscent of the US Pystol train in 2005. Nowhere to be seen one day, climbing better than many leaders on the next mountain stage.
We all know how they did that.
Meh, Mollema said Kennaugh's pace was not really that hard or punishing to follow. Porte however, was unworldly. When Porte goes full.. nobody can follow |
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| Rzrassman |
Posted on 14-07-2013 19:04
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Aquarius wrote:
Rzrassman wrote:
Probably it a new compound drug.A question to the wise-men what if someone is found with a substance which is not banned by the UCI?Is he treated to have being doped?
UCI doesn't make the list of forbidden products. WADA does.
It's considered doping as long as it matches at least 2 of those 3 things :
1) it improves performances
2) it's potentially harmful for the user's health
3) it's again a spirit of fair competition
Now, before being caught with it, except if a police raid finds it (physically), the labs have to learn what is being used, then develop a test for it, get an agreement for it, and eventually start testing.
Apparently they've got a test for Aicar and self-transfusions now, but Gen5 EPO is still untraceable, and it's still unsure whether the Aicar and transfusion tests are being used at the moment.
(1) How will anyone be able to determine if the performance has been improved because of the particular substance found n to what extent is has improved the performance.It may take a long time before such conclusions can be made.
(2) I dont think the 2nd condition is practical cause only some1 stupid would risk there lives just to win a few races n the guys developing such substances would take due care.
(3) How can one define what is in the spirit of fair competition?
Can some1 plz explain that if ppl are aware of these new substances/techniques of transfusion why has the UCI done something about it.(especially in the light of the Armstrong revelation)
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 14-07-2013 19:04
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The moment he drops Contador, Froome has to slow down to take the next turn
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| Rzrassman |
Posted on 14-07-2013 19:09
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Aquarius wrote:
Then you hear talks, not necessarily about Sky, of riders taking crushed cafeine pills and other pain killers at the end of stages.
In 2007 or 2008, we also heard about the magic red powder that rider would put on their fingers before peeing and prevent anything from being found at a control (even what you'd find at a non-doped guy).
Gotta wonder what was in those bags...
Did any one see Kennaugh take a bag?? I only saw Porte n Froome-bot take them.
Edited by Rzrassman on 14-07-2013 19:10
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| Malkael |
Posted on 14-07-2013 19:17
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Got to give it to Contador, he could just fight for second position and ride his own race. However, the man is a winner and ain't going down without a fight, even if it could be to his detriment.
If he wasn't so keen on competing with Froome he could have ridden his own tempo and possibly moved up in to second today. Rather then running out of gas near the finish and getting caught by "everyone" to retain the status quo. |
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