Antoine Lavieu should get an increase in his MO, RES ans STA stat after today's stage in Criterium Internationale. Finished ahead of rider's like Taaramae, Voeckler, Hernandez who have better stats.
I am playing PCM2011 with the PCMDaily2012DBV1. Start date of the carreer is January 2012. I am now in September 2015, so three and a quarter year I've played so far.
I've gathered some stats data in the table below. I've listed the most important stats as they are now in my carreer, as well as how they were in the original DB. Each stat says the amount of riders on a certain stat level, as well as the cumulative amount of riders with a stat level equal or greater to it.
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Started Jan 1st 2012
PCMDaily2012DBV1 for PCM2011
Date: September 5th 2015: 3 and three quarters in.
As you can see, every stat has more than double the amount of riders over 80 in 2015 compared to the original db. The only exception to this is COB, where the numbers are similar. I do need to point out here though that one and a half year earlier in my carreer (early 2014), the number of riders with ≥ 80 COB was far higher. This is because of a high number of current Cobbled leaders reaching the age of 34, and therefore declining (Nuyens, Chavanel, Boonen, Cancellara, Vansummeren, Ballan all apply).
The end result is, that in late 2015, the entire peloton seems to be back on EPO :P
I will post screenshots of all the categories if you wish. Alternatively, I can send you my carreer.
About the leaders and their potentials. This matter is a bit 50/50. Some of the original leaders have declined normally. Others have inflated even more (Cavendish now has 85 SP, Boonen 84 COB, Gilbert 85 Hil, Martin 84 TT). Some have stayed the same.
Although this means that some of the best riders of before now have enormous stats, this is not the biggest issue. That is at the sub top riders. Many of them have grown from good stats (78-ish) to very good stats (81+). Examples are Uran, Vansummeren, Vandewalle, Keukeleire, Boasson Hagen, Hesjedal, and many, many more. There are so many riders with high stats in my carreer that the value of these stats is actually decreasing. While an outsider before would be somewhere around 78/79, and a good helper would be 75/76. outsiders are now 80/81, and good helpers are 78/77. Riders with 75/76 have become average and quite shitty. This indirectly affects leaders in my career as well: some of them have grown to 85, but others haven't, making them average leaders now (at around 80). They used to be one of the very best, but now they are one of the 20 very best.... you can see the problem.
Now, how to solve this. I think the key is not to lower everyone's potential. If this would be the case, then nobody would get high stats anymore, and when scouted riders would come of age, they would dominate everyone because their potentials would not be limited by the DB maker and therefore much higher.
I think the key is to assume that everyone who is the best of the world right now can not grow much further anymore, and to limit their potential to the level they are currently at. Next, I think the sub top, as well as the talented youths should be treated more carefully and their potentials should be generally be lowered (but not all of them of course). This avoids a huge influx of high level riders.
So to summarize:
1. Potentials do need tweaking in my opinion, as I am experiencing inflated stats.
2. Leaders in 2012 are mostly still competitive in 2015. Some have declined, some have grown to 84-85, some have stayed the same.
3. Leaders that have stayed the same since 2012 are now one of many many riders with stats at around 80-81.
4. The enormous influx of riders with stats over 80 is due to the growth of many outsiders as well as talented youths.
5. Therefore, I believe the potential of leaders should be capped at their current level for like 90% of them (exceptions would be like Sagan at 23 years old).
6. Therefore, I also believe that the potential of outsiders and talented youths is generally overestimated, and many of them should be lowered, to avoid a general stats inflation.
Edited by ShortsNL on 24-03-2013 22:23
ShortsNL wrote:
Now, how to solve this. I think the key is not to lower everyone's potential. If this would be the case, then nobody would get high stats anymore, and when scouted riders would come of age, they would dominate everyone because their potentials would not be limited by the DB maker and therefore much higher.
In fact it can be limited to the DB maker Just need some tweaking in the STA_region table, or even the young rider xmls, to have less chances of world class riders if there's a problem in careers concerning this (too much world class riders in few time). Something that could be considered as well for the next releases.
Agreed with the capping. When it comes to adjusting the young rider xml files, I already did that for the PCM Daily 2013 DB: https://pcmdaily.c...ost_680819
Unfortunately, the stat limits specified in these files do not apply to current, non-generated riders, so I'm afraid that there is no easy, generic solution to cap those.
There are new XML files, that limit that some, also because the way the game works, the best way to keep that from happening is to use a low rider evolution value when starting a career. If that value is low it will be harder for older riders to improve. If you are looking for long term realism to this game, that value needs to be around .2 or .3.
Also as blueprint said there are newer xml files out to help with this. I wrote the ones the 2012 db is using, and I have a new updated set, but they are separate from any DB (link in sig). Blueprint also has an edited set based on the ones for the 2012 db.
Unfortunately, the stat limits specified in these files do not apply to current, non-generated riders, so I'm afraid that there is no easy, generic solution to cap those.
He is wrong in this, the stat limits absolutely apply to the non-generated riders. Though the process is a bit different. When starting a career potential maxes are generated for each rider based on their potential and rider type. The potential maxes work just like they would with young riders, with one exception. The potential max must be equal to or greater than their current value. So they will have a better chance at getting higher values.
Kentaurus wrote:
He is wrong in this, the stat limits absolutely apply to the non-generated riders. Though the process is a bit different. When starting a career potential maxes are generated for each rider based on their potential and rider type. The potential maxes work just like they would with young riders, with one exception. The potential max must be equal to or greater than their current value. So they will have a better chance at getting higher values.
Are you sure about this? I've seen riders like Cavendish, Gilbert and Contador rise above the numbers that would be the maximum in my xml files, while in the DB their initial stats were within that maximum. I also noticed many riders with abnormally high potential on cobbles, which cannot be because of my xml.
Blueprint wrote:
Are you sure about this? I've seen riders like Cavendish, Gilbert and Contador rise above the numbers that would be the maximum in my xml files, while in the DB their initial stats were within that maximum. I also noticed many riders with abnormally high potential on cobbles, which cannot be because of my xml.
Yes, it still goes off the baseline of the XMLs but if the riders base stat is higher than the XML is designed to normally allow the game make arbitrary adjustments to make them fit.
Considering how he impressed in the Tirreno, 75 is OK. On the Prato Di Tivo he was 2 seconds behind Nibali, ahead of Contador, Horner, Poels, Uran, Purito, Kreuziger, Evans, Henao, Pozzovivo, Nocentini, Niemiec, Martin, Cataldo, Cobo, Sanchez, Brajkovic, Cunego, Mollema and Schleck, who are all 75+ climbers.
TTspecialist wrote:
FL 74
MO 70
HIL 74
TT 75
COB 74
That should suit perfectly,imo.
Let me ask you this: Would he be able to finish 4th at the Prato Di Tivo, on a hard mountain stage, against the climbers I have listed above, with 70 MO?
TTspecialist wrote:
FL 74
MO 70
HIL 74
TT 75
COB 74
That should suit perfectly,imo.
Let me ask you this: Would he be able to finish 4th at the Prato Di Tivo, on a hard mountain stage, against the climbers I have listed above, with 70 MO?
TTspecialist wrote:
FL 74
MO 70
HIL 74
TT 75
COB 74
That should suit perfectly,imo.
Let me ask you this: Would he be able to finish 4th at the Prato Di Tivo, on a hard mountain stage, against the climbers I have listed above, with 70 MO?
And what about fitness,moral?
Even with 99 Fitness, +5 and top moral he would not be able.
You gave him too high resistance. Secondary, I do agree with MO, he actually did much better on the mountain stage than the hilly ones where he just managed to avoid big time looses. But well, it was only one race. To really prove to us he will have to repeat such great performance soon again.
74(73)/74 MO/Hill sounds alright to me for now.
Edited by Alakagom on 31-03-2013 19:59
How abouts ome changes to COB stat ? I think a few riders deserve a small boost after these cobbled classics . Gatto and Kristoff i think they deserve the biggest increase(and ofc Kwiatowksi but he was mentioned before ) . Also Bozic and Roelands were over expectations , just like EBH , who managed to be in the main group .Popovych worked very hard for quite a long period I think at 66 is underrated . And Hushovd and Breschel I dont think they should hace Sagan's COB stat . Pozzatto and Chava dissapoiting .
Just need some tweaking in the STA_region table, or even the young rider xmls, to have less chances of world class riders if there's a problem in careers concerning this (too much world class riders in few time). Something that could be considered as well for the next releases.
