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| acac |
Posted on 16-12-2012 08:50
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Aquarius wrote:
But I guess guards in Israel are mostly there because of the Palestinian/Arab terrorist threat, not because you're fearing an Israeli would go nuts and slaughter dozen kids, right ?
their job is to stop anyone who isnt a student. if he is an israeli wearing an IDF uniform he cant come in with a gun. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 17-12-2012 07:47
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Country where you can buy gun in one shop and bullets just around the corner and you need guards and gates and metal things in schools is just pure brutal ffrom my point of view. Such a stupidity and people mixing it with democracy.
How can someone be surprised USA are just a laughing stock to me.
In Czech Republic nobody is killing like 20 children every year, because he cant buy a gun in supermarket, or dont have a mum who is having M16 in her shelf. Fucking States of America, you want stupidity, just go there. I say it again, so sorry to offended americans, but your country is the most stupid worldwide...
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| Lachi |
Posted on 17-12-2012 10:57
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Fucking States of America, you want stupidity, just go there. I say it again, so sorry to offended americans, but your country is the most stupid worldwide... Please think before you post. 95% of all Americans are just normal people like you and me. Of course most of them are stupid, but not more or less than in your or any other country. Your post, for example, does not show much brain excellence. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 17-12-2012 11:12
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I dont write they are not normal, i dont write all people are stupid there, but the level of state stupidity is above all what can be seen elsewhere in the world, thus i generalized.
Or differently, every country where you can buy gun and bullets in the supermarket is stupid for me and most people there need to be also stupid, when they are okay with it.
Also i cant think otherwise about people, who liberately vote someone like George Bush jr. with IQ 80 their president, he pretty much represented the country...
And i said sorry to who i offended, but i am just saying what i think (also you have much the same right to say i am stupid as you did, i have no problem with it). Also of course i dont think people who are here from USA are stupid, i also think you have to measure individuals, but i generalized because what i wrote above.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 17-12-2012 23:03
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I ahve never seen guns of bullets in my supermarket. What aisle can I find them? And Bush sucked! Don't judge everyone on him and us as stupid because of that. Don't say we're all fat slobs because a few of us are. Think about it this way. There are so many of us, that we have more screw ups than other countries for the more people. Don't stereotype, because that's all you're doing.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 24-01-2013 22:07
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Up this topic goes...
I'm quite pissed at how one-sided the national media behave these days regarding the Florence Cassez case. Only some internet media try to balance things.
For those who don't know the story, Cassez is a French woman who married or engaged a Mexican guy. That guy is an outlaw, I believe he's part of the local organized crime, and is specialized in kidnapping, blackmailing, etc.
One day in 2005, the Mexican cops raided her home, she was sent to jail, tried and condemned to 60 years of imprisonment, on the basis of testimonies that she'd have assisted the kidnappings of some people. She claimed she had no clue about her husband/boyfriend activities, and that didn't convince the judge and/or jury.
Her fate then became a national cause, with the various presidents claiming they were convinced of her innocence and pleading for a quick release. Almost every single media adopted that position too.
The Mexican government and media got mad at the French ones because they were equally convinced that she was involved in organized crime, and guilty of the charges.
During one of the many appeals, some people who had testified against her suddenly weren't sure any more that she had been involved. So, after one more appeal, it turns out there's not enough material in the case to hold a proper trial.
Cassez got released from prison and landed in France today.
All the media claim it's so great an innocent person eventually got released, the government is trying to get praises for that release, whereas the former one is insisting on how much it did for this to happen.
That's what makes me sick. She's not been cleared of any charge, it's just a lack of evidence. Who can really believe you can spouse or date a local leader of the organized crime without having a clue about his activities ?
Really, there's more than enough doubts about her to not make her a new national hero and fill the news with reports about how she was dressed during her first day on the domestic soil (no kidding). And how the heck would some government know more than a court about whether she was involved or not ?
Sometimes it feels like China here, it's not news in the media, it's propaganda. *yuck* |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 24-01-2013 22:17
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Governments. What's your opinion on the Hollande government. Well he is a socialist but to me it seems like he is doing some really stupid work. Haven't really followed the French news lately but think it is quite important for Belgium.
I have a question: How did the French media react to the fleed from rich men like Arnault and Depardieu?
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| miggi133 |
Posted on 24-01-2013 22:25
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Spilak23 wrote:
Governments. What's your opinion on the Hollande government. Well he is a socialist but to me it seems like he is doing some really stupid work. Haven't really followed the French news lately but think it is quite important for Belgium.
I have a question: How did the French media react to the fleed from rich men like Arnault and Depardieu?
Didnt Chavanel also "flee" France for financial reasons? I remember the guys on eurosport mentioning something like that
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 24-01-2013 22:28
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miggi133 wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
Governments. What's your opinion on the Hollande government. Well he is a socialist but to me it seems like he is doing some really stupid work. Haven't really followed the French news lately but think it is quite important for Belgium.
I have a question: How did the French media react to the fleed from rich men like Arnault and Depardieu?
Didnt Chavanel also "flee" France for financial reasons? I remember the guys on eurosport mentioning something like that
Could be but I don't think he had to pay 75%
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| acac |
Posted on 25-01-2013 05:41
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Aquarius wrote:
Up this topic goes...
I'm quite pissed at how one-sided the national media behave these days regarding the Florence Cassez case. Only some internet media try to balance things.
For those who don't know the story, Cassez is a French woman who married or engaged a Mexican guy. That guy is an outlaw, I believe he's part of the local organized crime, and is specialized in kidnapping, blackmailing, etc.
One day in 2005, the Mexican cops raided her home, she was sent to jail, tried and condemned to 60 years of imprisonment, on the basis of testimonies that she'd have assisted the kidnappings of some people. She claimed she had no clue about her husband/boyfriend activities, and that didn't convince the judge and/or jury.
Her fate then became a national cause, with the various presidents claiming they were convinced of her innocence and pleading for a quick release. Almost every single media adopted that position too.
The Mexican government and media got mad at the French ones because they were equally convinced that she was involved in organized crime, and guilty of the charges.
During one of the many appeals, some people who had testified against her suddenly weren't sure any more that she had been involved. So, after one more appeal, it turns out there's not enough material in the case to hold a proper trial.
Cassez got released from prison and landed in France today.
All the media claim it's so great an innocent person eventually got released, the government is trying to get praises for that release, whereas the former one is insisting on how much it did for this to happen.
That's what makes me sick. She's not been cleared of any charge, it's just a lack of evidence. Who can really believe you can spouse or date a local leader of the organized crime without having a clue about his activities ?
Really, there's more than enough doubts about her to not make her a new national hero and fill the news with reports about how she was dressed during her first day on the domestic soil (no kidding). And how the heck would some government know more than a court about whether she was involved or not ?
Sometimes it feels like China here, it's not news in the media, it's propaganda. *yuck*
I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you. If there were no evidence then there is no way to prove her guilty=no reason for her to sit in jail. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 25-01-2013 06:48
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Spilak23 wrote:
Governments. What's your opinion on the Hollande government. Well he is a socialist but to me it seems like he is doing some really stupid work. Haven't really followed the French news lately but think it is quite important for Belgium.
I have a question: How did the French media react to the fleed from rich men like Arnault and Depardieu?
I have news for ya! Every socialist is doing only the stupid work, because socialism is wrong...is this some new sort of Robin Hood thingy? With stealing from the rich and giving (there should be to the poor, but in many cases i have seen it is rather own pocket).
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 25-01-2013 11:24
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acac wrote:
I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you. If there were no evidence then there is no way to prove her guilty=no reason for her to sit in jail.
No reason for her to sit in jail, until there I agree.
But the media and politics are really getting obscene about here, they're making her a national hero. The French are seeing it 100 % white, and the Mexican saw it 100 % black until now.
Fact is the French don't know, and apparently the Mexican don't know either. They don't know because they can't, given there's not enough material to hold a proper trial.
Some humility on both sides would be more than welcome, and, if possible, actual news, or facts, is what I'd like to find in the media, not the crap I'm getting these days. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 25-01-2013 11:33
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Spilak23 wrote:
Governments. What's your opinion on the Hollande government. Well he is a socialist but to me it seems like he is doing some really stupid work. Haven't really followed the French news lately but think it is quite important for Belgium.
I have a question: How did the French media react to the fleed from rich men like Arnault and Depardieu?
First of all, my opinion is not worth more than my next one's, so don't take it for what it's not.
Frankly, I thought it'd be worse, so I'm rather seeing the half full glass than the half empty one these days.
It's always the same thing when the left wing party becomes in charge. As an opposition party they're very much to left, ideologically. When they become in charge they're much more reasonable, and have a more central position.
So, they're doing politics. Managing their partners on the left, and doing what they have to do which is being more liberal (giant leap here), or said otherwise, when in charge, they have to deal with reality, which is not their concern when being the opposition.
That's how they come up with smart reforms as well as counter-productive ones (the most notorious one here being the 75 % tax on the incomes above 1 M€ - turns out it wasn't constitutional).
In the end, I don't think it'd have made such a big difference on my everyday life, had the right-wing stayed in charge. |
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| Daggen |
Posted on 26-01-2013 16:16
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I'm so fucking pissed on the Russian government. I can't see how their fucking parliament could pass a law on not allowing homosexuals to protest for their cause. My aunt is homosexual and married to her girlfriend and I'm proud to have a homosexual aunt.
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 26-01-2013 16:21
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I wish there where some Russians on this forum so we might get a word from someone who is living there.
I live in Northern Norway so what happens near the Russian border concerns me in some part. The picture portayed through the media is that of a slight return towards the far stricter Russian/Soviet government of old.
There are many people from Russia who comes to Norway to study, but who never returns. They decide to stay here for different reasons, mostly the greater opportunity.
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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Posted on 26-01-2013 16:24
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Yeah me too, and it would be interesting to hear what a objector to homosexual marriages think |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 26-01-2013 16:48
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I don't really consider myself an objector, but as the debate about homosexual marriage takes place in France at the moment, one of the argument that I find rather valuable is that marriage is the union of a man and a woman in order for them to have children.
Seen that way, homosexual marriage doesn't make sense.
Of course this has nothing to do with the fact they can love each other, live together or have some sort of civil union.
Russia ? They're a parody of democracy that has more to do with totalitarianism and plutocracy (power by those who own the money), with archaic ideology and a manly president nostalgic of the USSR imaginary greatness.
Could you expect something smart by a government that faked the elections (presidential and senators/congressmen), and who've already issued laws to de facto forbid major demonstrations ?
They're very much like Islamic regimes when you think about it (religion aside), making a living out of the richness of their soils.
Really, I'm gutted by the Germans here, who're usually prone to defend human rights but conspicuously forget Russia because of the many trade contracts they have together. |
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| Daggen |
Posted on 26-01-2013 22:56
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Aquarius wrote:
I don't really consider myself an objector, but as the debate about homosexual marriage takes place in France at the moment, one of the argument that I find rather valuable is that marriage is the union of a man and a woman in order for them to have children.
Seen that way, homosexual marriage doesn't make sense.
Why shouldn't they be allowed to get married? Because of some fairy tales (aka the bible). Your argument about it being a union between a man and a woman is really weird. Homosexual couples can have babies too.
I think people should be allowed to get married, no matter who or how they have sex? |
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| Rauling |
Posted on 26-01-2013 23:45
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Daggen wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
I don't really consider myself an objector, but as the debate about homosexual marriage takes place in France at the moment, one of the argument that I find rather valuable is that marriage is the union of a man and a woman in order for them to have children.
Seen that way, homosexual marriage doesn't make sense.
Why shouldn't they be allowed to get married? Because of some fairy tales (aka the bible). Your argument about it being a union between a man and a woman is really weird. Homosexual couples can have babies too.
I think people should be allowed to get married, no matter who or how they have sex?
The marriage in the church only exists because of the religion (in this case christianity). Therefore, you also have to adhere to this.
Marriage is a religious thing.
Being married is a part of a religious act but many people forgets this and think it as a cultural thing which it basically isn't.
So since it is something religious, it oppose the foundation of the - in the case - christianity = Adam and Eve = Man and Woman = The foundation of the religion.
The problem in this debate occurs when people mixes up marriage as a cultural act vs. religious act.
I think this is because of the media who evolve this into being a discussion about being a "real" human being or not which is not the case. It is pure religion. It is all about the foundation of religion.
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I have been raised in a Christian familiy but I haven't adopted it 100 % so I don't say that your opinion is wrong. I just say that some parts of your reasoning are invalid and it makes me a bit tired to read arguments like that all the time.
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| Crommy |
Posted on 27-01-2013 00:10
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Rauling wrote:
Daggen wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
I don't really consider myself an objector, but as the debate about homosexual marriage takes place in France at the moment, one of the argument that I find rather valuable is that marriage is the union of a man and a woman in order for them to have children.
Seen that way, homosexual marriage doesn't make sense.
Why shouldn't they be allowed to get married? Because of some fairy tales (aka the bible). Your argument about it being a union between a man and a woman is really weird. Homosexual couples can have babies too.
I think people should be allowed to get married, no matter who or how they have sex?
The marriage in the church only exists because of the religion (in this case christianity). Therefore, you also have to adhere to this.
Marriage is a religious thing.
Being married is a part of a religious act but many people forgets this and think it as a cultural thing which it basically isn't.
So since it is something religious, it oppose the foundation of the - in the case - christianity = Adam and Eve = Man and Woman = The foundation of the religion.
The problem in this debate occurs when people mixes up marriage as a cultural act vs. religious act.
I think this is because of the media who evolve this into being a discussion about being a "real" human being or not which is not the case. It is pure religion. It is all about the foundation of religion.
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I have been raised in a Christian familiy but I haven't adopted it 100 % so I don't say that your opinion is wrong. I just say that some parts of your reasoning are invalid and it makes me a bit tired to read arguments like that all the time.
Well, this is hilariously incorrect. Marriage pre-dates recorded history, and certainly pre-dates Christianity. Whilst marriage can be a religious thing (it can also be a cultural thing), marriage is chiefly a social act, and in the modern day is definitely a legal act, recognised by whichever government runs your country. It's why tax benefits apply differently if you're married. Marriage is certainly not "pure religion". That's complete nonsense
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