Deadpool wrote:
It seems like it just disappeared, but I swear that I just saw an article on Cyclingnews stating that Cadel made Euro 1.7 million last year (converting from the AUD figure given). Anyone know of any good resource for salaries at the moment? The figures I have in my head (1.5-2.5 mil for top 10-15 names, 200-500k for good quality PT riders, etc.) are from a few years ago at this point, and if cycling is anything like any other uncapped sport, I presume those have increased at least somewhat. I mean, I know the sport isn't doing as peachy economics wise as some, but it has rebounded from the 2009-2011 era.
Only very slightly it seems. Sponsorship money has stayed pretty much level in the last few years so I presume that wages have pretty much stagnated, certainly for any of the sub-top riders. Most teams are really secretive about their wages and budgets so it is hard to get too much info beyond what is reported for the top riders. But it is possible to get some general information on at least what some teams spend in total and you can sort of guess from there how it goes: https://inrng.com/...13-season/ https://inrng.com/...-finances/Edited by CountArach on 18-02-2015 12:51
Deadpool wrote:
It seems like it just disappeared, but I swear that I just saw an article on Cyclingnews stating that Cadel made Euro 1.7 million last year (converting from the AUD figure given). Anyone know of any good resource for salaries at the moment? The figures I have in my head (1.5-2.5 mil for top 10-15 names, 200-500k for good quality PT riders, etc.) are from a few years ago at this point, and if cycling is anything like any other uncapped sport, I presume those have increased at least somewhat. I mean, I know the sport isn't doing as peachy economics wise as some, but it has rebounded from the 2009-2011 era.
Only very slightly it seems. Sponsorship money has stayed pretty much level in the last few years so I presume that wages have pretty much stagnated, certainly for any of the sub-top riders. Most teams are really secretive about their wages and budgets so it is hard to get too much info beyond what is reported for the top riders. But it is possible to get some general information on at least what some teams spend in total and you can sort of guess from there how it goes: https://inrng.com/...13-season/ https://inrng.com/...-finances/
Looking at those two examples Ag2R had a yearly 13% increase in budget for two straight years, and you can argue that Sky's budget was initially so large that they may have realize substantially raising it was completely unnecessary (or possibly that it would have been raised had there been any reason). So I'm not convinced generally sponsorship money is flat. But yeah, as you note it's probably going to be pretty much impossible to get a good sense of these things.
Where's isso when you need him to pull out what he's seen from like thirteen different sources and give you a sense of what's going on...
Edited by Deadpool on 18-02-2015 13:08
Deadpool wrote:
Where's isso when you need him to pull out what he's seen from like thirteen different sources and give you a sense of what's going on...
Long gone by now.
Sponsorships are tricky in cycling. There's the Sky's, BMC's, Tinkoffs with plenty of money to spend. There's AG2R's and Giants with nice amounts and stability. But you've got Europcars and Jumbos who go from year to year looking mostly to just kind of survive.
Contador, Sagan, Cavendish, Froome are earning huge sums of money, well over a million. Then there's your basic domestique like Pate who's probably on a relatively standard wage even at Sky. Most riders i'd guess arn't on particularly special wages, comfortbale but hardly rich.
I'm reading David Millars book at the moment and he would earn E400,000 through bonuses on-top of his wage in 2002/3 at Cofidis. I'd guess that's where alot of extra income comes from.
Also don't underestimate promotion deals. Evans is the face of cycling in AUS so i'm betting a big chunk of income is through advertsing and partnership deals. Same for all the big stars. It's certainly where most of Armstrongs money came from before he had to pay it all back
Deadpool wrote:
Where's isso when you need him to pull out what he's seen from like thirteen different sources and give you a sense of what's going on...
Long gone by now.
It seemed like it. I was just making a joke. But in his honor...
TheManxMissile wrote:
Sponsorships are tricky in cycling. There's the Sky's, BMC's, Tinkoffs with plenty of money to spend. There's AG2R's and Giants with nice amounts and stability. But you've got Europcars and Jumbos who go from year to year looking mostly to just kind of survive.
Contador, Sagan, Cavendish, Froome are earning huge sums of money, well over a million. Then there's your basic domestique like Pate who's probably on a relatively standard wage even at Sky. Most riders i'd guess arn't on particularly special wages, comfortbale but hardly rich.
Sure, but we're talking wages here. The fluctuations for any given squad aren't really going to matter, only the total dollars available. If we consider the PT and PCT, which both have minimum rider salaries, I have to presume the money has increased somewhat due to the increase in the number of teams and the general revitalization in the world economy.
And I do have a sense for the general position of wages in the sport, I was more interested in whether there's been any notable change the last few years.
TheManxMissile wrote:
I'm reading David Millars book at the moment and he would earn E400,000 through bonuses on-top of his wage in 2002/3 at Cofidis. I'd guess that's where alot of extra income comes from.
That's true, of course.
TheManxMissile wrote:
Also don't underestimate promotion deals. Evans is the face of cycling in AUS so i'm betting a big chunk of income is through advertsing and partnership deals. Same for all the big stars. It's certainly where most of Armstrongs money came from before he had to pay it all back
The amount they have for Andrew Bogut is his salary ($12.9 mil). No endorsement deals, so I was presuming the same for Cadel.
Edited by Deadpool on 18-02-2015 13:48
Vanbilsen out of the spring classics with broken wrist today.
Schleck also broke bone today, not sure how serious the break is but at his age thay could be possible end of career injury.
Interesting... does that mean 14-39% as an average for all sports that were taken into consideration or is that a range as in 14% for something like elephant polo and 39% for wrestling and bodybuilding and all that shizzle?
...it may become feasible to detect very low concentrations of prohibited substances in sewage systems downstream of major sporting events.
This made me laugh Imagine the scenario:
'I'm sorry Alberto, but you've tested positive'
'What?'
'We detected a picogram of EPO in the Seine estuary; that's it, you're busted!'
Stromeon wrote:
Interesting... does that mean 14-39% as an average for all sports that were taken into consideration or is that a range as in 14% for something like elephant polo and 39% for wrestling and bodybuilding and all that shizzle?
...it may become feasible to detect very low concentrations of prohibited substances in sewage systems downstream of major sporting events.
This made me laugh Imagine the scenario:
'I'm sorry Alberto, but you've tested positive'
'What?'
'We detected a picogram of EPO in the Seine estuary; that's it, you're busted!'
Sounds like the study just cited public data to come up with their numbers. Pretty terrible if you ask me.
The above-mentioned figure of 14–39 % is likely to be a more accurate reflection of the prevalence of intentional doping in elite sports than that provided by doping control test results (estimate of doping: 1–2 % annually) or questionnaire-based research (estimations between 1 and 70 % depending on sport, level and exact definitions of intent and doping).
Interesting interview with Fernando Gaviria on Sporza today, after beating Cav twice in San Luis, he is now kicking ass on the track world championships. He really want to sign for QuickStep, as his dream is... Paris-Roubaix! He doesn't care about climbing or anything, he wants to be a Columbian cobbler!
Ollfardh wrote:
Interesting interview with Fernando Gaviria on Sporza today, after beating Cav twice in San Luis, he is now kicking ass on the track world championships. He really want to sign for QuickStep, as his dream is... Paris-Roubaix! He doesn't care about climbing or anything, he wants to be a Columbian cobbler!
Well if Spain can have a cobbler (Flecha) and a sprinter (Rojas), why can't Colombia.
This new generation will bring people very different, keep an eye, not only in Gaviria, Eduardo Estrada and Tomas Restrepo (Lizarte-CRI specialist) are another not-climbers from colombia... they're very young and will make a lot of noise very soon
Ollfardh wrote:
Interesting interview with Fernando Gaviria on Sporza today, after beating Cav twice in San Luis, he is now kicking ass on the track world championships. He really want to sign for QuickStep, as his dream is... Paris-Roubaix! He doesn't care about climbing or anything, he wants to be a Columbian cobbler!
Gaviria was really impressive in the two Omnium races I saw.
The Elimination Race was great in general, and he made it to the top 3 before taking a gamble by going early but just fading to get knocked out. Viviani won the race, as he usually does.
Then in the final points race, he had a small crash which Viviani capitalised on to move to within 1 point of him in the battle of the lead, but he responded by gaining a lap with a few others, then spent the rest of the race locked on to the back wheel of first Viviani, and then O'Shea when the Aussie moved into 2nd place.
The Omnium has been a decent indication of road prospects for the young riders coming through recently. Viviani is regularly near the front of Omniums, while the Top 2 at London 2012 were Lasse Norman Hansen and Bryan Coquard.
This disrespect thing is very interesting as it is basically the same everywhere today...also not surprised that he picks Bouhanni as example.
Edited by roturn on 23-02-2015 11:21
Also Cult Energy have been given a wildcard to Amstel along with Wanty, Topsport Vlaanderen and Rompoot brightening their mood a bit after the weekend.
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