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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 09-12-2014 09:19
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CountArach wrote:
Why isn't it good? People being caught sounds excellent to me. We need to get out of the mindset that doping allegations are bad things.
I think there are two really noteworthy things here. Firstly, Ferrari... Seriously? You're that stupid Vino? He is the public enemy number one in this sport and you bring him along to your training camp? So stupid.
Secondly, I refuse to believe that Ferrari did not meet with Nibali. Nibali has allegedly worked with him in the PAST. The only reason I can see the Gazzetta choosing to leave it out is because it would risk annoying the Italian cycling public, who see him as their darling.
I think you misinterpreted by "Can't be good" Count. 
What I meant was that it couldn't be good, since according to Gazetta, there's going to be surprising names on the list, and already known Ferrari clients (including one certain Romain Kreuziger... which we already know), which means a shitstorm is coming.
Obviously, this is good. We need to get those cheating bastards who don't get banned. And, bar Nibali not getting a mention (c'mon guys, Ferrari was with Astana and didn't work with him? pls), this is the italians. And italians don't fool around.
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I bet Fredrik's name will be in the list.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 09-12-2014 11:02
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And, bar Nibali not getting a mention (c'mon guys, Ferrari was with Astana and didn't work with him? pls), this is the italians. And italians don't fool around.
I've read reports that his trainer was there and was in contact with Ferrari. So even if Nibali himself wasn't seen with Ferrari, which would be an insane thing for him to do, his trainer was still there talking to him.
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| gargatouf |
Posted on 09-12-2014 11:58
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CountArach wrote:
And, bar Nibali not getting a mention (c'mon guys, Ferrari was with Astana and didn't work with him? pls), this is the italians. And italians don't fool around.
I've read reports that his trainer was there and was in contact with Ferrari. So even if Nibali himself wasn't seen with Ferrari, which would be an insane thing for him to do, his trainer was still there talking to him.
Yeah I think it's in an interview of him in the Guardian where he says that he's never met Ferrari but uses the same doctor as Pantani did, who is at the centre of doping claims while he was a Fassa Bortolo or Liquigas. That Pantani doctor also allegedly worked with Ferrari. |
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| Roextro |
Posted on 09-12-2014 14:05
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2016 Tour de France will start in Normandy, in front of the Mont Saint Michel, it will start with a 188km road race and will start on the second of July
https://www.cyclin...int-michel
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| matt17br |
Posted on 09-12-2014 14:11
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CountArach wrote:
The only reason I can see the Gazzetta choosing to leave it out[/b] is because it would risk annoying the Italian cycling public, who see him as their darling.
Cyclingnews, quoting Gazzetta, wrote:
In the 500-page report compiled by the Padova inquiry, there "isn't a line, nothing, that talks of a relationship between Nibali and Ferrari. There was no contact between the rider and the doctor."
Why should the Padova inquiry leave out that Nibali worked with Ferrari (whether directly or indirectly, it doesn't matter)?
Do you know all the shit that happened with Pantani? He may have been a dopehead, but he has been legally pursued even after his death, but still no one knows for sure what happened. At least in Italy, contrary to what happened in the USA, or what still happens for example in Russia or in Asia when it comes to doping, there is a minimum of strictness. I think that here there is even an exaggeration of strictness.
Leaving cycling, for a different example in defense of Italian anti-doping system, Carolina Kostner, a figure skater, as well as Alex Schwarzer's girlfriend, was sought a sentence of 4 years, for helping him to disguise his doping charges. 4 years.
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| Strydz |
Posted on 09-12-2014 15:45
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matt17br wrote:
CountArach wrote:
The only reason I can see the Gazzetta choosing to leave it out[/b] is because it would risk annoying the Italian cycling public, who see him as their darling.
Cyclingnews, quoting Gazzetta, wrote:
In the 500-page report compiled by the Padova inquiry, there "isn't a line, nothing, that talks of a relationship between Nibali and Ferrari. There was no contact between the rider and the doctor."
Why should the Padova inquiry leave out that Nibali worked with Ferrari (whether directly or indirectly, it doesn't matter)?
Do you know all the shit that happened with Pantani? He may have been a dopehead, but he has been legally pursued even after his death, but still no one knows for sure what happened. At least in Italy, contrary to what happened in the USA, or what still happens for example in Russia or in Asia when it comes to doping, there is a minimum of strictness. I think that here there is even an exaggeration of strictness.
Leaving cycling, for a different example in defense of Italian anti-doping system, Carolina Kostner, a figure skater, as well as Alex Schwarzer's girlfriend, was sought a sentence of 4 years, for helping him to disguise his doping charges. 4 years.
Come on buddy! What could make you believe Niabli is clean? His stunning times uphill? His close contact with Mr Clean Vino? The known fact he has been a client of Ferrari?
Pantani might have doped?
Head in sand beyond comprehension
I'm am more than happy this has slowly started coming out, the beauty of cycling deserves better than theses frauds! Ferraris robot! These dirty children that need to grow the f$&k up
Edited by Strydz on 09-12-2014 15:46
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| matt17br |
Posted on 09-12-2014 16:18
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Strydz wrote:
Come on buddy! What could make you believe Niabli is clean? His stunning times uphill? His close contact with Mr Clean Vino? The known fact he has been a client of Ferrari?
What I meant to say is that this fury against Nibali won't be totally justified until he will be caught.
I understand that the presence of Ferrari in a training camp with Astana is not very reassuring, but if so far only the Iglinskiy's were caught there must be a reason, unless our dear respectable Dr. Michele Ferrari hasn't found a way to disguise doping and deceive the controls without being caught.
Of course I can't give wrong any of you that the environment behind Astana is not at all the cleanest, but you can't put everything in the same basket.
Strydz wrote:
Pantani might have doped?
It was an example to represent italian's antidoping courts yardstick.
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| Dippofix |
Posted on 09-12-2014 16:22
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matt17br wrote:
Strydz wrote:
Come on buddy! What could make you believe Niabli is clean? His stunning times uphill? His close contact with Mr Clean Vino? The known fact he has been a client of Ferrari?
What I meant to say is that this fury against Nibali won't be totally justified until he will be caught.
I understand that the presence of Ferrari in a training camp with the Astana is not very reassuring, but if were found positive only the Iglinskiy's so far there must be a reason, unless our dear respectable Dr. Michele Ferrari hasn't found a way to disguise doping and deceive the controls without being caught.
Of course I can't give wrong any of you that the environment behind Astana is not at all the cleanest, but you can't put everything in the same basket.
Strydz wrote:
Pantani might have doped?
It was an example to represent italian's antidoping courts yardstick.
It took him about a week the last time they had a "breakthrough" in the field of anti-doping.
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| Strydz |
Posted on 09-12-2014 17:16
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matt17br wrote:
Strydz wrote:
Come on buddy! What could make you believe Niabli is clean? His stunning times uphill? His close contact with Mr Clean Vino? The known fact he has been a client of Ferrari?
What I meant to say is that this fury against Nibali won't be totally justified until he will be caught.
I understand that the presence of Ferrari in a training camp with Astana is not very reassuring, but if so far only the Iglinskiy's were caught there must be a reason, unless our dear respectable Dr. Michele Ferrari hasn't found a way to disguise doping and deceive the controls without being caught.
Of course I can't give wrong any of you that the environment behind Astana is not at all the cleanest, but you can't put everything in the same basket.
Strydz wrote:
Pantani might have doped?
It was an example to represent italian's antidoping courts yardstick.
My main thing is the frustration with this, ever since I found pro cycling around the Indurain dominance it has bugged the hell out of me. Yes these guys provide entertainment but what's the point? I love riding my bike so why can't these guys? That goes for the whole world of pro cycling, be it sponsors, DS's or the childish riders, if you can't keep up then find honest work doing something else. I ain't ninave and understand why it happens but every once and a while feel the need to vent, it's sad to think that this whole Padova investigation will go down the same lines as Festina and Fuentes
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| CountArach |
Posted on 09-12-2014 22:26
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matt17br wrote:
CountArach wrote:
The only reason I can see the Gazzetta choosing to leave it out[/b] is because it would risk annoying the Italian cycling public, who see him as their darling.
Cyclingnews, quoting Gazzetta, wrote:
In the 500-page report compiled by the Padova inquiry, there "isn't a line, nothing, that talks of a relationship between Nibali and Ferrari. There was no contact between the rider and the doctor."
Why should the Padova inquiry leave out that Nibali worked with Ferrari (whether directly or indirectly, it doesn't matter)?
Do you know all the shit that happened with Pantani? He may have been a dopehead, but he has been legally pursued even after his death, but still no one knows for sure what happened. At least in Italy, contrary to what happened in the USA, or what still happens for example in Russia or in Asia when it comes to doping, there is a minimum of strictness. I think that here there is even an exaggeration of strictness.
Leaving cycling, for a different example in defense of Italian anti-doping system, Carolina Kostner, a figure skater, as well as Alex Schwarzer's girlfriend, was sought a sentence of 4 years, for helping him to disguise his doping charges. 4 years.
Okay let me explain. This was not a shot at thee Italian anti doping system, which is actually one of the better ones in the world and they deserve huge credit for actually pursuing these large inquiries.
However, the fact is we know that Nibali is a former associate of Ferrari and it would be unusual not to mention that in this context. Further, as I said, there are reports that Nibali's trainer met with Ferrari. I am only suggesting that Gazzetta is doing its best to avoid tarnishing Nibali because they need him for newspaper sales, which is a very common thing these days. Look at US papers with Armstrong for example.
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 10-12-2014 01:47
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| Selwink |
Posted on 10-12-2014 07:55
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38 done, 52 to go. Important names seem to be Kreuziger, Rojas, Menchov, Visconti, Bozic, Marcato, Scarponi and Pozzato.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 10-12-2014 08:37
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A good day for the Masciarelli family then...
And it turns out Rojas should have been getting 5th places all along instead of his usual 4th.
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 10-12-2014 09:23
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Rojas kind of seems like the odd one out, since all the others mentioned so far are Italian, Russian or rode for Katusha, Astana, Liquigas or Lampre or a CT Italian team. Wonder if we will see names like Plaza, Gutierrez or maybe even Moreno or Purito. I'm thinking Bruseghin will be mentioned as well.
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 10-12-2014 09:37
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Wait, what is this about? I don't speak Italian...
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| CountArach |
Posted on 10-12-2014 10:09
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trekbmc wrote:
Wait, what is this about? I don't speak Italian...
Basically it is a list of 38 riders who are clients of Ferrari. This is what the top left one says, then Bertagnoli is the first in alphabetical order. The other four things continue this list.
Another interesting thing from this list is that only two U23 riders are listed. With all the problems in the Italian U23 system, I would have thought there would be a few more than that.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 10-12-2014 10:17
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CountArach wrote:
Another interesting thing from this list is that only two U23 riders are listed. With all the problems in the Italian U23 system, I would have thought there would be a few more than that.
Lot of names still to come 
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 10-12-2014 10:31
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CountArach wrote:
trekbmc wrote:
Wait, what is this about? I don't speak Italian...
Basically it is a list of 38 riders who are clients of Ferrari. This is what the top left one says, then Bertagnoli is the first in alphabetical order. The other four things continue this list.
Another interesting thing from this list is that only two U23 riders are listed. With all the problems in the Italian U23 system, I would have thought there would be a few more than that.
Ah, ok, thanks
Does this list mean that they have doped, or does it just mean that it is likely that they have.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 10-12-2014 11:19
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trekbmc wrote:
CountArach wrote:
trekbmc wrote:
Wait, what is this about? I don't speak Italian...
Basically it is a list of 38 riders who are clients of Ferrari. This is what the top left one says, then Bertagnoli is the first in alphabetical order. The other four things continue this list.
Another interesting thing from this list is that only two U23 riders are listed. With all the problems in the Italian U23 system, I would have thought there would be a few more than that.
Ah, ok, thanks
Does this list mean that they have doped, or does it just mean that it is likely that they have.
It means that they have contacted Ferrari, so it means that in all probability they have doped, but keep in mind that Ferrari also does training programs and such if you can't afford his full doping program, so some of the people may (and that is a very big may) not have doped.
However, the main issue here is that Ferrari has been banned from sport by the Italian Olympic Committee and thus for these riders to have contact with him would be a ban-able offence (that is what happened to Scarponi).
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| CountArach |
Posted on 10-12-2014 11:29
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A nice little tidbit from this Padova thing. Di Luca was partially responsible for dismantling Ferrari, and in turn bringing down Armstrong:
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