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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 03-06-2013 18:39
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Miguel98 wrote:
Santambrogio probably got tested when he won the stage and he knew he would get caught, so he stopped the dose.
How could that be, when the positive test is from the opening stage?
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| Selwink |
Posted on 03-06-2013 18:41
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
Miguel98 wrote:
Santambrogio probably got tested when he won the stage and he knew he would get caught, so he stopped the dose.
How could that be, when the positive test is from the opening stage?
He had won that Danny Pate-style
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| abysmo |
Posted on 03-06-2013 18:50
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I'm uncertain whether to think that these two being caught is a sign that teams are not planning organized doping, leaving the riders to make their mistakes at their own risk, or whether they just messed up something that was highly programmed.
Probably bigger teams get the good stuff and counseling, leaving the ones with smaller budgets or less connections to find other solutions, if team management is aware of it. I think we might have a bit of everything nowadays, teams whose managers promote or condone PED's and a few whose name might be soiled by some guys willing to take the risk.
I really wanted to believe Vini Fantini's manager reaction post-De Luca, but its a bit harder now.
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 03-06-2013 18:51
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
Miguel98 wrote:
Santambrogio probably got tested when he won the stage and he knew he would get caught, so he stopped the dose.
How could that be, when the positive test is from the opening stage?
Knew someone would say that. My bad there. Stupid Vini, stupid Di Luca and Santambrogio. |
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| abysmo |
Posted on 03-06-2013 19:03
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I recall someone commenting on Gatto's face during early spring being indicative of foul-play. I'm getting a bad feeling about that. |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 03-06-2013 19:21
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Santambrogio 
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Meanwhile
Some british guy is a candidate for UCI president against McDope. He has the support of the MFCC, but hasn't announced any policies yet
Brian Cookson I presume, long time president of British Cycling.
Whether he would be any better, who knows, but it is quite important that somebody has finally stepped up to oppose Mcquaod
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 03-06-2013 19:22
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Indeed SN. That's the guy. |
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| jsh312mufc |
Posted on 03-06-2013 19:26
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SportingNonsense wrote:
Santambrogio
issoisso wrote:
Meanwhile
Some british guy is a candidate for UCI president against McDope. He has the support of the MFCC, but hasn't announced any policies yet
Brian Cookson I presume, long time president of British Cycling.
Whether he would be any better, who knows, but it is quite important that somebody has finally stepped up to oppose Mcquaod
he's the guy at british cycling who said "lets support edinburgh's bid for the tour 2014" and then yorkshire won
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 03-06-2013 19:32
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TheManxMissile wrote:
In Sky's defense, i doubt they are using EPO
What were the PEDs used in the 80's ? Steroids, amphetamines, corticoids.
In the 90's ? Same as above + EPO + HGH (human growth hormon) + PFC in the late 90's
In the 2000's ? Same as above + AICAR from 2009 onwards
In the 2010's ? Same as above.
Most of what has changed is that they know there are tests for it. But they also know how tests work, and when or how a product vanishes or remains present. They also know they can't be controlled between 11pm and 6 am, or something like that. 7 hours to make products disappear. With the right product and the right dose, there's a 100 % guarantee not to be caught.
Let's take the example of blood bags. Between 2000 (first EPO tests) and 2007 (blood transfusions tests), cheaters were transferred 500 or 600 ml of blood three times per Grand Tour (check Landis claims for more details), once before the start, and one during each rest day.
Nowadays, because of the bio passport, they transfer 100 or 150 ml every other day. Nothing looks suspect that way.
Perfect timing and dosing for doping is the key, but products haven't changed that much since then.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 03-06-2013 19:34
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jsh312mufc wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
Santambrogio
issoisso wrote:
Meanwhile
Some british guy is a candidate for UCI president against McDope. He has the support of the MFCC, but hasn't announced any policies yet
Brian Cookson I presume, long time president of British Cycling.
Whether he would be any better, who knows, but it is quite important that somebody has finally stepped up to oppose Mcquaod
he's the guy at british cycling who said "lets support edinburgh's bid for the tour 2014" and then yorkshire won
Hardly a surprise that the president of British Cycling backed the bid which would have seen stages in Scotland, Wales and England - as opposed to Yorkshire and London! Similarly, not much of a surprise that ASO went for the latter.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 03-06-2013 19:38
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Aquarius wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
In Sky's defense, i doubt they are using EPO
Long rambling succession of perfectly valid points
= "i meant that comment as a joke"
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| Cossack |
Posted on 03-06-2013 20:16
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Aquarius wrote:
Most of what has changed is that they know there are tests for it. But they also know how tests work, and when or how a product vanishes or remains present. They also know they can't be controlled between 11pm and 6 am, or something like that. 7 hours to make products disappear. With the right product and the right dose, there's a 100 % guarantee not to be caught.
After reading your post I think the only way to effectively top doping would be to keep cyclists in jail between stages  |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 03-06-2013 20:24
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Santambrogio is an idiot. Maybe Di Luca was understandable (taking EPO), becuase he is older. But Santambrogio? He should get a lifetime ban just for being so obvious about it.
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| BritPCMFan |
Posted on 03-06-2013 20:36
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Him performing badly might also be because he knew he was going to get a caught and lost the motivation. He won a stage when he thought he might get away with it. Once he tested whilst glowing, he knew it was just a matter of time before the result came back.
Maybe there is a slightly different angle to look at this rather then just bad Santa and bad Vini Fantini.
His level jumped massively this year after leaving BMC. Which rather suggests, at BMC he was clean. Of course, i don't know whether you can then apply that to the rest of team (I suppose its possible teams only dope the riders they want as leaders, Which i guess explains why Wiggo hasnt been at its best this season XD)
Anyone read the Robert Millar takes of the No Tour for Wiggo story? Cycling News Link to Article here
Essentially, the suggest is that Wiggins isn't actually injured and has been forced off the Tour team due to a Sky conspiracy with Froome, whom only signed a new contract after last years tour with a promise of 13 leadership and No Wiggins.
Of course, it ignores the fact that Froome last renewed his contract after the 2011 VaS and that Wiggins isn't exactly the sort to be told his injured and off the tour when he actually isnt, AND stay quiet about it.
Also some random observations on why Wiggins isnt doing so well this season, but imo ignores the obvious. Wiggins was for a very long time an Olympic athlete, used to working to 4 year cycles. I don't think that its a coincidence that having turned focus to the road after Bejing that it took him exactly 4 years until he got the big results. A massive dip in form the year following the Olympics is pretty common. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 03-06-2013 22:01
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Anytime I read anything by Robert Millar I get the same sense that he's not very smart.
It's a silly story he's made up there.
On Santambrogio:
I'm not even surprised. We all knew - Michele Acquarone, Giro director
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| fickman |
Posted on 03-06-2013 22:25
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And I'm afraid those 2 italian riders are not going to be the only ones to be caught. I still have nightmares with those insane uphill sprints from Pirazzi. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 03-06-2013 22:58
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Leggo di corridori che so di certo che caricavano fino all inverosimile che fanno i moralisti ma per favore fatevi un esame di coscenza!!!
Ricco will give more names for cash. Especially of those who react on twoiter how disgusted they are.
He might still have some bloodbags from them in his fridge.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 03-06-2013 22:59
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Cossack wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
Most of what has changed is that they know there are tests for it. But they also know how tests work, and when or how a product vanishes or remains present. They also know they can't be controlled between 11pm and 6 am, or something like that. 7 hours to make products disappear. With the right product and the right dose, there's a 100 % guarantee not to be caught.
After reading your post I think the only way to effectively top doping would be to keep cyclists in jail between stages
I'm not offering solutions. I'm just writing the way it's happening (most likely), and I didn't make it up myself, but am repeating it from people who've run antidoping labs. |
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| BritPCMFan |
Posted on 03-06-2013 23:34
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fickman wrote:
And I'm afraid those 2 italian riders are not going to be the only ones to be caught. I still have nightmares with those insane uphill sprints from Pirazzi.
Visconti looked suprisingly sprightly too. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 04-06-2013 07:48
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Santambrogio doped? No way, he was so usual himself since the ealy season, not grabbing incredible results all the way since March.
Where are those miracles happen in nowadays clean cycling people now?
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