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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 08-02-2013 08:38
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CountArach wrote:
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I don't think Cancellara doped either, cause is pretty consistent. Armstrong and co just peeked at the Tour, being meh the rest of the year. But Cancellara did insane things throughout the season, from San Remo, cobbles, TdF to WC TT. Either he's been doping all year long, either he's just a real talent that's been unlucky to have some managers linked to doping.
I'm not putting my hand in the fire for anyone nowadays, but I think Hamilton was just pissed about Cancellara's interview back then and wanted revenge.
But they doped the entire year regardless and if they had wanted to they could have won more races. The issue wasn't that they only doped for the TDF it was that Bruyneel had organised their entire calendar around the TDF and they ignored a lot of other races that they could have performed well in if they had wanted to.
See also: Andy Schleck.
I don't agree with you there, from what I remember from the Armstrong interview (it was in the middle of the night though  ) they were "clean" during the tour and doped during the preparation, since there was no out of competition testing yet. Had they rode an entire season, they would probably be caught somewhere. This is why I'm thinking Cancellara didn't dope, he would've been caught with his busy season.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 08-02-2013 09:48
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Ollfardh wrote:
I don't think Cancellara doped either, cause is pretty consistent. Armstrong and co just peeked at the Tour, being meh the rest of the year. But Cancellara did insane things throughout the season, from San Remo, cobbles, TdF to WC TT. Either he's been doping all year long, either he's just a real talent that's been unlucky to have some managers linked to doping.
Okay:
I don't think Contador doped either, cause is pretty consistent. Armstrong and co just peeked at the Tour, being meh the rest of the year. But Contador did insane things throughout the season, from Paris - Nice, Dauphine, PaÃs Vasco to TdF. Either he's been doping all year long, either he's just a real talent that's been unlucky to have some managers linked to doping.
I don't think Valverde doped either, cause is pretty consistent. Armstrong and co just peeked at the Tour, being meh the rest of the year. But Valverde did insane things throughout the season, from Paris - Nice, Ardennes, TdF to Vuelta. Either he's been doping all year long, either he's just a real talent that's been unlucky to have some managers linked to doping.
I don't think Boogerd doped either, cause is pretty consistent. Armstrong and co just peeked at the Tour, being meh the rest of the year. But Boogerd did insane things throughout the season, from Tirreno - Adriatico, Ardennes, TdF to Lombardy. Either he's been doping all year long, either he's just a real talent that's been unlucky to have some managers linked to doping.
So many people unlucky to have managers linked to doping.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 08-02-2013 09:57
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
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Well, you might be right, but I sure hope you're wrong
You're right about heroes, though. I don't consider Cancellara my hero (don't have any real "heroes", it's also dangerous to have heroes for social and political reasons), but I do think he's one of the most friendly guys in the peleton and a great example for young riders. If he will go down, the cycling world will have to survive another big shock...
But this could be shock only for some Ian, because when you think about cycling and follow cycling for at least a decade and can make two from one+one, not much can shock and surprise you. All the past great champions of cycling were dopers (maybe except LeMond and few others), so would it be really so shocking? And as Aquarius points out, personality has nothing to do with doping. We have arrogant prick dopers and nice guys dopers.
I like one sentence from classical czech comedy movie, when one man said to some lady when being asked how he can believe in god without clear evidence : " I have not seen your pussy either, but i believe you have one".
But i understand your attitude and there is nothing wrong and laughable about that.
Well, I don't for for the people in your country, but Belgium, an important country in cycling, really adores Cancellara and he's one of the major riders here. So if he would turn out to be a doper, Belgium would be shocked. That's all I'm saying. Don't know for other countries. |
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| dienblad |
Posted on 08-02-2013 10:38
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Back to real cycling: don't think the Paris - Nice route is that difficult. Should be a shot for riders as Westra, and even Boasson Hagen for a top 5 (don't know who'll participate).
But to say about the doping accusations: okay, when a rider raced for a suspicious team (like Boonen for US Postal and Cancellara for Mapei) in his early years, stop nagging about it.
Every single rider that has a surprise result once in his career, gets accused of using doping in this forum. Don't you guys have better things to do than that??
All I want / All cycling needs is a massive outcome of riders that have doped in the time between Festina and the passport / out of competition controls, and then start with a clean list. I can't wait for the real season to start (for me that is the Omloop Het Nieuwsblad), so people have less time to talk about doping.....
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 08-02-2013 11:37
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kumazan wrote:
So many people unlucky to have managers linked to doping.
Yeah, but can you blame them for that ? Of course you can't, because they're naive innocent dudes.
I'd very much like to have the likes of Lefevere, Riis and Bruyneel to catch me. That's just totally random choices for a career, and it's unfortunate and irrelevant that they have been linked to (massive) doping.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 08-02-2013 11:53
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dienblad wrote:
Back to real cycling: don't think the Paris - Nice route is that difficult. Should be a shot for riders as Westra, and even Boasson Hagen for a top 5 (don't know who'll participate).
I agree. Personally I'd hoped for a tougher profile, especially since the Tour profile will be quite mountainous. We might see nicer things in Tirreno than in Paris - Nice. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 08-02-2013 12:04
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dienblad wrote:
Back to real cycling: don't think the Paris - Nice route is that difficult. Should be a shot for riders as Westra, and even Boasson Hagen for a top 5 (don't know who'll participate).
But to say about the doping accusations: okay, when a rider raced for a suspicious team (like Boonen for US Postal and Cancellara for Mapei) in his early years, stop nagging about it.
Every single rider that has a surprise result once in his career, gets accused of using doping in this forum. Don't you guys have better things to do than that??
All I want / All cycling needs is a massive outcome of riders that have doped in the time between Festina and the passport / out of competition controls, and then start with a clean list. I can't wait for the real season to start (for me that is the Omloop Het Nieuwsblad), so people have less time to talk about doping.....
I believe nobody is accused here because of a single good result, with nothing to back it up, or when the progress can be seen.
Who is being accused here on the forum? Riders who have connections or worked with people connected to doping- doctors,trainers, DS's or were in the team, where the doping program was proved.
Or riders who made a jump in two years from not able to ride speedbumps to Tour winner, or those who are incosistant and switch between great and horrible seasons.
Closing eyes is imo much more dull than accusing someone, because of these mentioned reasons. Maybe these talks will stop after some five years without rider being caught, but till that time, it is normal to speak about this cancer in cycling.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 08-02-2013 12:04
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Ian Butler wrote:
dienblad wrote:
Back to real cycling: don't think the Paris - Nice route is that difficult. Should be a shot for riders as Westra, and even Boasson Hagen for a top 5 (don't know who'll participate).
I agree. Personally I'd hoped for a tougher profile, especially since the Tour profile will be quite mountainous. We might see nicer things in Tirreno than in Paris - Nice.
Yep, the course is quite terrible, especially if compared to the brilliant Tirreno route. Of course ASO has designed it with the hope that the GC is really close before the Col d'Èze TT, so we get a final showdown like last year, and that's why I hope that Gesink (or whoever else, but he's the strongest climber I remember that will take part) tears the field apart in the Montagne de Lure and ruins ASO's plan à la Contador in Fuente Dé.
Btw quite mountainous Tour? Wut? The route is, in terms of mountain stages, average at best.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 08-02-2013 12:30
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That makes me wonder, is there informations on stages with the cumulated climbing of the route, or things like that ?
Those numbers pop up for World Championships (this year's will offer as much climbing as LBL).
I reckon that's as important, if not more, than distance, to judge the difficulty of a race. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 08-02-2013 14:01
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kumazan wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
dienblad wrote:
Back to real cycling: don't think the Paris - Nice route is that difficult. Should be a shot for riders as Westra, and even Boasson Hagen for a top 5 (don't know who'll participate).
I agree. Personally I'd hoped for a tougher profile, especially since the Tour profile will be quite mountainous. We might see nicer things in Tirreno than in Paris - Nice.
Yep, the course is quite terrible, especially if compared to the brilliant Tirreno route. Of course ASO has designed it with the hope that the GC is really close before the Col d'Èze TT, so we get a final showdown like last year, and that's why I hope that Gesink (or whoever else, but he's the strongest climber I remember that will take part) tears the field apart in the Montagne de Lure and ruins ASO's plan à la Contador in Fuente Dé.
Btw quite mountainous Tour? Wut? The route is, in terms of mountain stages, average at best.
Maybe in general, but there are some monstrous stages, to say the least. |
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| usto |
Posted on 08-02-2013 14:34
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TAS decission about Katusha will be made public next week |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 08-02-2013 14:38
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Ollfardh wrote:
CountArach wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
I don't think Cancellara doped either, cause is pretty consistent. Armstrong and co just peeked at the Tour, being meh the rest of the year. But Cancellara did insane things throughout the season, from San Remo, cobbles, TdF to WC TT. Either he's been doping all year long, either he's just a real talent that's been unlucky to have some managers linked to doping.
I'm not putting my hand in the fire for anyone nowadays, but I think Hamilton was just pissed about Cancellara's interview back then and wanted revenge.
But they doped the entire year regardless and if they had wanted to they could have won more races. The issue wasn't that they only doped for the TDF it was that Bruyneel had organised their entire calendar around the TDF and they ignored a lot of other races that they could have performed well in if they had wanted to.
See also: Andy Schleck.
I don't agree with you there, from what I remember from the Armstrong interview (it was in the middle of the night though ) they were "clean" during the tour and doped during the preparation, since there was no out of competition testing yet. Had they rode an entire season, they would probably be caught somewhere. This is why I'm thinking Cancellara didn't dope, he would've been caught with his busy season.
The Armstrong interview isn't the best source. According to the Reasoned Decision they were doping year-round, including during the Tour. That's the time where you are going to get the most effect out of these drugs. Nights before important stages (which is why 'glowing' was such a problem if a tester showed up later in the evening) and rest days were the main time for doping.
Also why did Armstrong test positive not just during the Tour but also at Suisse if he wasn't 1) Doping at the Tour and 2) Doping all year round. That would imply that he was tested during the Tour and found positive there, as well as tested during a lead-up race and once again found positive.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 08-02-2013 15:13
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Ian Butler wrote:
Maybe in general, but there are some monstrous stages, to say the least.
Which one? This is the hardest mountain stage of the Tour:
Monstrous it is not.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 08-02-2013 15:20
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What about the double Alpe d'Huez? And 234km long with Mont Ventoux (okay, it's only one mountain, but the ride to the mountain is very long and will be tiring.) |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 08-02-2013 17:52
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Both are softer than the one I posted above. I mean of course if you compare with last year it looks mountainous, but it's really nothing special actually. Even less if you think it's the 100th edition, so they had the "right" to go a bit nuts.
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| lluuiiggii |
Posted on 08-02-2013 18:03
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Ian Butler wrote:
What about the double Alpe d'Huez?
In numbers, Alpe d'Huez is definitely not one of the hardest climbs in the Tour. Galibier + Huez would be much more difficult for the riders than Huez + Huez imo.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 08-02-2013 18:04
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I agree, but double Huez aren't the only mountains on that profile. I just meant that stage  |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 09-02-2013 10:28
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Cipollini busted as Fuentes client: https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/repor...of-fuentes
Not really surprising, but at least concrete proof that the "sprinters don't need doping" myth is nothing but bullshit.
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 09-02-2013 10:43
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Well, I'm 100% sure that in the next 2, 3 years a lot of cycling glories will go down. Mainly from that period of Armstong, Ulrich and Cippolini. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 09-02-2013 10:59
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I think so, too. However, I hope people will start concentrating on the future instead of the past. Take Mark Cavendish for example, Eddy Merckx just called him the greatest sprinter of all times, and he's doing it clean (oh bloody hell, let's hope so!) |
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