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2015 Giro d'Italia - Week Three (24th - 31st May)
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| Shonak |
Posted on 27-05-2015 12:48
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trekbmc wrote:
Don't have time to read the whole thread to see if it's been convered, but what is (or can somebody link me to), the general opinion of Anton helping Contador? in my eyes he should be penalised at least a minute, because it's practically the same as Clarke helping Porte, just not as obvious.
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 27-05-2015 12:56
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Shonak wrote:
trekbmc wrote:
Don't have time to read the whole thread to see if it's been convered, but what is (or can somebody link me to), the general opinion of Anton helping Contador? in my eyes he should be penalised at least a minute, because it's practically the same as Clarke helping Porte, just not as obvious.
1. Your being 'mean' to me because the rider I'm supporting got penalised but your one didn't.
2. We've had a massive discussion about this that I missed.
3. You think it's entirely different situation.
4. You really don't like Porte.
5. https://pcmdaily.c...st_1055066
Which one is it?
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| Kiserlovski01 |
Posted on 27-05-2015 13:00
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I simply don't think riding in front of another rider is against the rules of the sport, while giving a wheel to a non team member is. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 27-05-2015 13:06
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I know how to fix the sport!
Every stage is either an Individual or Team Time Trial
All riders use the exact same equipment, provided by the UCI (only changes allowed are to make the bike fit the rider comfortably)
If a rider exceeds 5w/g at any point in the event they get an instant 10year ban
If a rider crashes or has a mechanical the clock is stopped until they are up and moving again
To make it exciting or viewers the bikes are on fire
Full proof way to save the sport, the UCI really should hire me instantly because this would solve all the problems
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| Shonak |
Posted on 27-05-2015 13:08
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Porte and Clarke wern't penalized for friendship or that they helped each other, they were penalized because they broke a rule by giving mechanical assistance. Please show me the rule where Contador can't ride behind Anton for some time.
I'm just absolutely baffled at your suggestion to penalize Contador, that's why the smiley.
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| trekbmc |
Posted on 27-05-2015 13:14
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Clarke is Porte's friend and gave him a wheel, Anton is Contador's friend and gave him a lot of assistance. Anton sacrificed minutes on the stage in the energy of smashing up for Contador, Clarke sacrificed minute - probably less - waiting for a wheel. Both Contador and Porte were held up, but Porte's situation was harder to get back from.
Strictly you're right, but organisers have to take some control in a situation like this.
Anyway, it's just my opinion.
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| deek12345 |
Posted on 27-05-2015 13:15
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trekbmc wrote:
Don't have time to read the whole thread to see if it's been convered, but what is (or can somebody link me to), the general opinion of Anton helping Contador? in my eyes he should be penalised at least a minute, because it's practically the same as Clarke helping Porte, just not as obvious.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 27-05-2015 13:17
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Shonak wrote:
Porte and Clarke wern't penalized for friendship or that they helped each other, they were penalized because they broke a rule by giving mechanical assistance. Please show me the rule where Contador can't ride behind Anton for some time.
I'm just absolutely baffled at your suggestion to penalize Contador, that's why the smiley.
This. Sorry trekbmc, but your point is really ridiculous. 
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| Strydz |
Posted on 27-05-2015 14:35
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trekbmc wrote:
Clarke is Porte's friend and gave him a wheel, Anton is Contador's friend and gave him a lot of assistance. Anton sacrificed minutes on the stage in the energy of smashing up for Contador, Clarke sacrificed minute - probably less - waiting for a wheel. Both Contador and Porte were held up, but Porte's situation was harder to get back from.
Strictly you're right, but organisers have to take some control in a situation like this.
Anyway, it's just my opinion.
It isn't the same thing, the rules on the wheel change are fairly clear cut but when it comes to riders helping other riders in the way Anton paced Contador is more open to interpretation, riders in breaks or as we have seen earlier in the race when the big guns worked to distance Uran form alliances on the road which is allowed, what Anton and a few others did pacing Contador falls under the same rule interpretation. If you want to penalise Contador for anything yesterday then it would be for the 4 or 5 times he gave I think it was Kreuziger a push with his hand to tell him to go harder when trying to bridge the gap before the Mortirolo, I personally don't see anything wrong with that but it was more worthy of a penalty than what the other riders did when pacing Contador up that climb.
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 27-05-2015 14:46
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trekbmc wrote:
Don't have time to read the whole thread to see if it's been convered, but what is (or can somebody link me to), the general opinion of Anton helping Contador? in my eyes he should be penalised at least a minute, because it's practically the same as Clarke helping Porte, just not as obvious. Do you want me to give a facepalm or a proper answer?Because this is just ridicolous. |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 27-05-2015 14:56
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The Schleck Fan wrote:
trekbmc wrote:
Don't have time to read the whole thread to see if it's been convered, but what is (or can somebody link me to), the general opinion of Anton helping Contador? in my eyes he should be penalised at least a minute, because it's practically the same as Clarke helping Porte, just not as obvious. Do you want me to give a facepalm or a proper answer?Because this is just ridicolous.
He was just asking a question and stating his opinion, did you really need to answer it like that?
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 27-05-2015 15:10
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Strydz wrote:
The Schleck Fan wrote:
trekbmc wrote:
Don't have time to read the whole thread to see if it's been convered, but what is (or can somebody link me to), the general opinion of Anton helping Contador? in my eyes he should be penalised at least a minute, because it's practically the same as Clarke helping Porte, just not as obvious. Do you want me to give a facepalm or a proper answer?Because this is just ridicolous.
He was just asking a question and stating his opinion, did you really need to answer it like that? Because cyclists have relayed for other riders for many years and there is not anything in the rule 'that cyclists who help rider from an another by relaying for them but there is a rule 'about taking wheel from another teams rider'.This is why I think it is ridicolous. |
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 27-05-2015 15:13
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TheManxMissile wrote:
I know how to fix the sport!
Every stage is either an Individual or Team Time Trial
All riders use the exact same equipment, provided by the UCI (only changes allowed are to make the bike fit the rider comfortably)
If a rider exceeds 5w/g at any point in the event they get an instant 10year ban
If a rider crashes or has a mechanical the clock is stopped until they are up and moving again
To make it exciting or viewers the bikes are on fire
Full proof way to save the sport, the UCI really should hire me instantly because this would solve all the problems
You can barely manage the forums on the internet nevermind UCI. Nope. |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 27-05-2015 15:17
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So, who do you think will win today? They're keeping the break on a short leash so maybe somebody will try and break the pack in the minor climbs before the finish.
Perhaps Bole can get a decent result, looking at the remaining competition and the profile? Or maybe Modolo?
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 27-05-2015 15:19
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I think trek has a point there....but not the point he tried to make.
Ofc, giving Porte and Clarke a penalty for helping each other is right, since there is a rule against it. And Anton helping Contador isn't against any rule.
But I first of thought, that trek made this point to provoke you guys thinking over the rules. I at least thought over the sense of the wheelchange-rule.
I would allow wheel changes between teams for the future. And I guess thats, what trek meant. Something like: "Porte got a ridiculous pen, lets give others ridiculous pens, too..."
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 27-05-2015 15:24
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TheManxMissile wrote:
I know how to fix the sport!
Every stage is either an Individual or Team Time Trial
All riders use the exact same equipment, provided by the UCI (only changes allowed are to make the bike fit the rider comfortably)
If a rider exceeds 5w/g at any point in the event they get an instant 10year ban
If a rider crashes or has a mechanical the clock is stopped until they are up and moving again
To make it exciting or viewers the bikes are on fire
Full proof way to save the sport, the UCI really should hire me instantly because this would solve all the problems
5 watts per gram!? That's climbing Alpe d'Huez in less than 3 seconds! A 10 year ban is a very minimum 
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 27-05-2015 15:26
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Stromeon wrote:
5 watts per gram!? That's climbing Alpe d'Huez in less than 3 seconds! A 10 year ban is a very minimum
Yeah yeah you know i meant per Kg 
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 27-05-2015 15:28
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cactus-jack wrote:
So, who do you think will win today? They're keeping the break on a short leash so maybe somebody will try and break the pack in the minor climbs before the finish.
Perhaps Bole can get a decent result, looking at the remaining competition and the profile? Or maybe Modolo?
Bole finished 19th in yesterday's stage (  ) so he must have some decent legs!
Was sure that this stage would go to a breakaway beforehand but now it doesn't look like it. Could be quite a wide open field for the win, either a sprint or a late attack, as while Sky and Trek and probably Lampre will want to bring it to a sprint I'm not sure anyone else is really that bothered after such a tough day yesterday.
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 27-05-2015 15:31
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Stromeon wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
I know how to fix the sport!
Every stage is either an Individual or Team Time Trial
All riders use the exact same equipment, provided by the UCI (only changes allowed are to make the bike fit the rider comfortably)
If a rider exceeds 5w/g at any point in the event they get an instant 10year ban
If a rider crashes or has a mechanical the clock is stopped until they are up and moving again
To make it exciting or viewers the bikes are on fire
Full proof way to save the sport, the UCI really should hire me instantly because this would solve all the problems
5 watts per gram!? That's climbing Alpe d'Huez in less than 3 seconds! A 10 year ban is a very minimum
Impossible to test them, you'd never catch them
By the way, who do you think will fare better in the two hills; Nizzolo or Viviani?
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 27-05-2015 15:37
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Strydz wrote:
The Schleck Fan wrote:
trekbmc wrote:
Don't have time to read the whole thread to see if it's been convered, but what is (or can somebody link me to), the general opinion of Anton helping Contador? in my eyes he should be penalised at least a minute, because it's practically the same as Clarke helping Porte, just not as obvious. Do you want me to give a facepalm or a proper answer?Because this is just ridicolous.
He was just asking a question and stating his opinion, did you really need to answer it like that?
Especialy since The Schleck Fan made some equaly ridiculous comments on yesterday's stage..
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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