|
Expansion Pack: Stat Discussion
|
| issoisso |
Posted on 27-02-2013 20:23
|
Tour de France Champion
Posts: 22918
Joined: 08-02-2007
PCM$: 200.00
|
7 is way too much. Wackermann wouldn't make my top 20 list of last year's u23 riders
The preceding post is ISSO 9001 certified
"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
|
| |
|
|
| dbreality |
Posted on 02-03-2013 22:13
|
Free Agent
Posts: 144
Joined: 27-01-2010
PCM$: 200.00
|
After rewaching during hours and hours the last Vuelta a España, I do think Jesús Hernandez deserves a 76 MO minimum.
I am also sure that you know why he hasn't got the results a 76 climber should have. Because he is ordered to relax on the final kilometers of flat stages, when his job is done in the mountains and to do the TT quite calmly to save energy for the remaining stages.
But in Stage 16 of last year Vuelta, he was able to finish 17th of the monstruous finale of the Cuitu Negru after an impressive lead out work for Contador.
The day after, he took 11th in the extremely hard stage of Fuente De despite attacking earlier to lead Contador out again.
I am definitly sure that he would easily get a top ten General Classification of a Grand Tour like the Giro or the Vuelta if he has got a chance to go on his own. But that will probably not happen.
He is so strong because he trains nearly 24H/24 with Contador so in the end he improves and has a very high climbing ability. |
| |
|
|
| fcancellara |
Posted on 02-03-2013 22:28
|
Grand Tour Specialist
Posts: 5194
Joined: 18-08-2011
PCM$: 200.00
|
75MO would be suitable IMO, and a high REC stat.
I don't know his current stats though.
|
| |
|
|
| fickman |
Posted on 02-03-2013 23:44
|
Sprinter
Posts: 1627
Joined: 25-07-2011
PCM$: 200.00
|
dbreality wrote:
After rewaching during hours and hours the last Vuelta a España, I do think Jesús Hernandez deserves a 76 MO minimum.
I am also sure that you know why he hasn't got the results a 76 climber should have. Because he is ordered to relax on the final kilometers of flat stages, when his job is done in the mountains and to do the TT quite calmly to save energy for the remaining stages.
But in Stage 16 of last year Vuelta, he was able to finish 17th of the monstruous finale of the Cuitu Negru after an impressive lead out work for Contador.
The day after, he took 11th in the extremely hard stage of Fuente De despite attacking earlier to lead Contador out again.
I am definitly sure that he would easily get a top ten General Classification of a Grand Tour like the Giro or the Vuelta if he has got a chance to go on his own. But that will probably not happen.
He is so strong because he trains nearly 24H/24 with Contador so in the end he improves and has a very high climbing ability.
Giving him 76 MO will put him in the same Liga with Beñat Intxausti who had a good 2012 and finished 10 the Vuelta despite he was working for Valverde. 76 might be to high.
It will also give him more MO than Gorka verdugo who finished Vuelta 11 and who had to work for Anton. |
| |
|
|
| Ad Bot |
Posted on 22-11-2024 23:07
|
Bot Agent
Posts: Countless
Joined: 23.11.09
|
|
| IP: None |
|
|
| dbreality |
Posted on 02-03-2013 23:45
|
Free Agent
Posts: 144
Joined: 27-01-2010
PCM$: 200.00
|
fickman wrote:
dbreality wrote:
After rewaching during hours and hours the last Vuelta a España, I do think Jesús Hernandez deserves a 76 MO minimum.
I am also sure that you know why he hasn't got the results a 76 climber should have. Because he is ordered to relax on the final kilometers of flat stages, when his job is done in the mountains and to do the TT quite calmly to save energy for the remaining stages.
But in Stage 16 of last year Vuelta, he was able to finish 17th of the monstruous finale of the Cuitu Negru after an impressive lead out work for Contador.
The day after, he took 11th in the extremely hard stage of Fuente De despite attacking earlier to lead Contador out again.
I am definitly sure that he would easily get a top ten General Classification of a Grand Tour like the Giro or the Vuelta if he has got a chance to go on his own. But that will probably not happen.
He is so strong because he trains nearly 24H/24 with Contador so in the end he improves and has a very high climbing ability.
Giving him 76 MO will put him in the same Liga with Beñat Intxausti who had a good 2012 and finished 10 the Vuelta despite he was working for Valverde. 76 might be to high.
It will also give him more MO than Gorka verdugo who finished Vuelta 11 and who had to work for Anton.
Sorry but both you quoted hadn't to make the same work Hernández had to.
Edited by dbreality on 02-03-2013 23:46
|
| |
|
|
| Spilak23 |
Posted on 02-03-2013 23:57
|
Team Leader
Posts: 7357
Joined: 22-08-2011
PCM$: 200.00
|
Edit: Apparently Navarro was leading the Tour de l'Ain so I will come with some other prove. 
Mountain time trial in Romandie:
https://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/...ceid=22042
Edited by Spilak23 on 03-03-2013 00:09
|
| |
|
|
| AiZaK |
Posted on 03-03-2013 22:22
|
Protected Rider
Posts: 1190
Joined: 13-04-2008
PCM$: 200.00
|
Robert Foster SPR 75 -> 72/73
I think that 75 maybe too for him now |
| |
|
|
| fcancellara |
Posted on 03-03-2013 22:32
|
Grand Tour Specialist
Posts: 5194
Joined: 18-08-2011
PCM$: 200.00
|
Navarro ≠Hernández
|
| |
|
|
| Spilak23 |
Posted on 03-03-2013 22:42
|
Team Leader
Posts: 7357
Joined: 22-08-2011
PCM$: 200.00
|
fcancellara wrote:
Navarro ≠Hernández
Before my edit, I posted about how Hernandez got around 10-15th place in the two mountain stages in Tour de l'Ain where he could ride for his own but didn't know Navarro was leading the race so he couldn't ride for his own chance there..
Edited by Spilak23 on 03-03-2013 22:42
|
| |
|
|
| ppanther |
Posted on 04-03-2013 20:35
|
Domestique
Posts: 482
Joined: 25-12-2011
PCM$: 200.00
|
D.Frattini is another guy who is way too strong. |
| |
|
|
| ppanther |
Posted on 04-03-2013 20:38
|
Domestique
Posts: 482
Joined: 25-12-2011
PCM$: 200.00
|
Also Serafin Martinez. |
| |
|
|
| AiZaK |
Posted on 05-03-2013 18:49
|
Protected Rider
Posts: 1190
Joined: 13-04-2008
PCM$: 200.00
|
I think that Jesus Hernandez maybe fine with 74 in Climb |
| |
|
|
| maxime86 |
Posted on 06-03-2013 00:16
|
Classics Specialist
Posts: 2950
Joined: 01-03-2012
PCM$: 200.00
|
Joe Dombrowski realy should get an up grade he rce very well last yer, I think he deseres a 76 mountain and a 74 hill |
| |
|
|
| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 06-03-2013 00:20
|
Tour de France Champion
Posts: 18187
Joined: 12-05-2012
PCM$: 0.00
|
maxime86 wrote:
Joe Dombrowski realy should get an up grade he rce very well last yer, I think he deseres a 76 mountain and a 74 hill
Trolling of the highest order
|
| |
|
|
| Kentaurus |
Posted on 06-03-2013 01:12
|
Classics Specialist
Posts: 3999
Joined: 26-07-2011
PCM$: 200.00
|
TheManxMissile wrote:
maxime86 wrote:
Joe Dombrowski realy should get an up grade he rce very well last yer, I think he deseres a 76 mountain and a 74 hill
Trolling of the highest order
And here I was thinking maybe he got too much of a boost, he basically proved himself in 1 race, lets see how he does as a domestique for Sky.
AZTECA - NBCSN  |
| |
|
|
| maxime86 |
Posted on 06-03-2013 01:19
|
Classics Specialist
Posts: 2950
Joined: 01-03-2012
PCM$: 200.00
|
Kentaurus wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
maxime86 wrote:
Joe Dombrowski realy should get an up grade he rce very well last yer, I think he deseres a 76 mountain and a 74 hill
Trolling of the highest order
And here I was thinking maybe he got too much of a boost, he basically proved himself in 1 race, lets see how he does as a domestique for Sky.
he didn't get much of an opertunity as bontrager was a continental team, but I am mostly speculating though |
| |
|
|
| Kentaurus |
Posted on 06-03-2013 01:51
|
Classics Specialist
Posts: 3999
Joined: 26-07-2011
PCM$: 200.00
|
maxime86 wrote:
Kentaurus wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
maxime86 wrote:
Joe Dombrowski realy should get an up grade he rce very well last yer, I think he deseres a 76 mountain and a 74 hill
Trolling of the highest order
And here I was thinking maybe he got too much of a boost, he basically proved himself in 1 race, lets see how he does as a domestique for Sky.
he didn't get much of an opertunity as bontrager was a continental team, but I am mostly speculating though
No, he didn't, but in his appearances he was good, good enough to get a contract with Sky. I'll be curious to see how he does, my guess is he is very very similar to Dominik Nerz last year.
AZTECA - NBCSN |
| |
|
|
| ppanther |
Posted on 06-03-2013 15:30
|
Domestique
Posts: 482
Joined: 25-12-2011
PCM$: 200.00
|
maxime86 wrote:
Joe Dombrowski realy should get an up grade he rce very well last yer, I think he deseres a 76 mountain and a 74 hill
 I think, even 74 is very very high for his achievements, but he is a promising rider so you could let him at 74, but never ever 76... |
| |
|
|
| maxime86 |
Posted on 09-03-2013 00:39
|
Classics Specialist
Posts: 2950
Joined: 01-03-2012
PCM$: 200.00
|
ppanther wrote:
maxime86 wrote:
Joe Dombrowski realy should get an up grade he rce very well last yer, I think he deseres a 76 mountain and a 74 hill
I think, even 74 is very very high for his achievements, but he is a promising rider so you could let him at 74, but never ever 76...
ok I couldn't disagree more, he beat alot of high rated rideri in the daily db, im not saying I agree with everyone else's stas but comparatively I think he should have a 76 |
| |
|
|
| valverde321 |
Posted on 09-03-2013 01:23
|
World Champion
Posts: 12986
Joined: 20-05-2009
PCM$: 530.00
|
One rider who I think consistently is under-rated is Damiano Cunego.
Obviously he's not great, but after looking at 76 climbers in the db to see maxime's claims, I noticed, much to my surprise that Cunego was there. I know he had a bad Vuelta, but if the stats are based of riders previous 2 seasons but 6th at the Giro, 2nd at Trentino, as well as 6th at the Tour in 2011 and 2nd at the Tour de Suisse in 2011 he certainly seems like a decent climber to me, and actually his recovery isn't that bad either. According to the matrix in this db, I would certainly give him a 77 mountain.
As for Dombo, 74 is perfect (or too high). Nothing in his results suggest he's anything better than a 74 imo.
Edited by valverde321 on 09-03-2013 01:36
|
| |
|
![imgur.com/KlJUqDx.jpg[/img[img]]https://imgur.com/yUygrQ.jpg](https://imgur.com/KlJUqDx.jpg[/img[img]]https://imgur.com/yUygrQ.jpg)
